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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: Karoq on September 25, 2021, 11:20:01 AM
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Has a Mod removed the 'HR-V e:HEV if anyone is interested' thread? It was there when I logged in. I went to reply and I was told I didn't have permission and now it's disappeared??
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It's off-topic for this sub-forum and belongs in the HR-V section. Perhaps it will re-appear there.
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Nope! Not in HR-V section.
It was here this morning, by the time I had written a reply it had gone. Somebody obviously got fed up with it
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Just to add, disappointed it has gone. Was very interesting to compare as a larger version of the Jazz using the same technology.
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Where and why has it gone? Moderator please explain reasoning for removing it.
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EVO review for the HR-V here:
https://www.evo.co.uk/honda/honda-hr-v/204339/honda-hr-v-ehev-2021-review-new-hybrid-to-rival-nissan-qashqai-and-toyota-c
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Telegraph review for the HR-V here (behind a paywall, but stopping the page loading in your browser after text loads gets round that":
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/honda/honda-hr-v-review-comfort-joy-impressive-economy/
Conclusion: "a cracking little car in most respects" although the writer did mention the safety systems intervening too frequently!
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IMO its a good idea to allow the occasional HR-V thread to remain in the Mk4 section if its primarily comparing the two. Its good to be reminded of its existence , and interesting to know its getting the same old comments from heavy footed journalists.
I suppose there must be a cut off point that allows a crosstar into the same grouping as the 'standard' cars , but not the HR-v .
Guest viewers and members dont just read the Mk4 section because they own one, or have one on order. Many are deciding whether to buy one . But, like me ,many wont often look in sections for the mk 1 ,2, 3 or hr-v.. Whereas owners of older models are more likely to have an interest in later models. .
When I bought my EX I wasnt really aware of the HR-V or the fact there was a new one due. Would I have thought to look in the HR-V section of the forum? I doubt it. My lack of research didnt matter for me, Its not a class of car that interested me. But it might for some.
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What journos don't seem to grasp is that when you've spent your hard earned on a new car you tend to look after it. Slow acceleration and braking, slow corners, etc.
They don't care because they don't own it so as mentioned, a lead right foot is common in their testing and not representative of ownership.
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Both reviews seem a fairer test than many I have read on-line. The powertrain seems to elicit the most queries because it is unique to Honda and has its own character and problems as well as advantages. It looks like for most normal drivers the powertrain works well in everyday motoring but I think EVO has a point in that it is less suitable for those who frequently drive on motorways or - I would suggest hilly terrains - when the limitations of the system become more evident in terms of noise and performance.
Hopefully we will soon see more video reviews and feed back from owners of the HR-V when they are delivered to customers.
Incidentally posts about the HR-V now seem to be spread over this forum and the 'post 2015 HR-V’ forum, so to see all opinions you need to check both forums.
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Waiting for the Autogefuhl review with Thomas and the OSV one too. They're the most insightful ones.
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I drive on motorways for most of my journeys and I find the Jazz fine. Certainly no noisier than my 9G Civic, in fact, probably quieter.
I haven't encountered any steep hills yet but I have driven up some medium inclines without issue.
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I drive on motorways for most of my journeys and I find the Jazz fine. Certainly no noisier than my 9G Civic, in fact, probably quieter.
I haven't encountered any steep hills yet but I have driven up some medium inclines without issue.
Thanks, that's encouraging. How about MPG for motorway use?
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My Jazz EX is almost always on motorways & I think it’s completely fine.
I also have long hills, steep hills and long times sat at 70mph.
80% of the performance can be had by pressing half accelerator briskly and waiting a little while, without much noise at all. It’s nippy and accelerates well with only a small delay while it decides where to get the electricity from.
If you want 100% of the performance and try to get it quickly then it does make noise, but you can’t accelerate at 100% forever so it’s only for a few seconds until you reach the speed you want.
Long term MPG in warm weather is 52, in the colder months I’m seeing maybe 48.
Still better than a diesel Volvo I used to drive, or my Toyota Auris hybrid.
HRV should be similar.
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I drive on motorways for most of my journeys and I find the Jazz fine. Certainly no noisier than my 9G Civic, in fact, probably quieter.
I haven't encountered any steep hills yet but I have driven up some medium inclines without issue.
Thanks, that's encouraging. How about MPG for motorway use?
My MPG travelling between Heathrow and Reading, so mostly M4, was around 68 in the warmer weather but has dropped to around 63 now the lights and heater are on.
Those figures are slightly skewed upwards because the M4 varies between 50mph and 60mph so not the full monty.
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Another (largely) positive review of the HR-V:
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Another (largely) positive review of the HR-V:
There seems to be a common thread to the increasing number of video and written reviews in that the HR-V is ideally suited to normal driving when it is quiet and refined. It is not best suited to spirited ‘pedal to the metal’ style of driving when the limitations of the drivetrain (particularly engine noise) become more apparent. Frankly I think that will suit the vast majority of potential customers of the HR-V, me included!
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A lot of owners of standard ICE cars fit noisier exhausts so an e-CVT will be right up their street.
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Many reviewers still don’t understand the e:HEV system - complaining that engine noise isn’t related to acceleration.
They don’t understand that it’s not physically connected at all unless cruising.
A few reviews half understand things and say there are electric motors - all they need to say is that it’s very like a range extender EV with a petrol generator.
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I'm still convinced a lot of them are writing their reviews based on a mixture of existing reviews.
I remember reading some early 9G Civic reviews where it was plainly obvious the reviewers had cobbled together a series of 8G Civic reviews as the details were wildly inaccurate for the 9G.
They wanted to be first into print so tried to cheat.
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At least with video reviews you know the tester has actually driven the car. You can also usually tell from the way the tester drives the kind of road test taking place. Whether a spirited sports test or a more "normal" driving style suited to the buyers likely to own the car.
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I would class that as one of the best and most sensible reviews out of the dozens I have watched.
AT LAST a reviewer that has taken the trouble to do his homework and knows that it does NOT have a CVT gear Box.
He followed everybody else by NOT mentioning the four levels of regen via the 'flippy-flappy paddles.
The only gripe I have is the ghastly modern habit of mispronouncing H 'AITCH' as Haitch. >:(
Can no one speak English properly anymore? :-X
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Can no one speak English properly anymore? :-X
He's Irish!
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A short but sensible & positive press review with NO MENTION! of 'Moo-ing, underpowered drive trains'!!
(https://i.imgur.com/1NRQhHq.png)
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Another (largely) positive review of the HR-V:
Just noticed there are drinks holders in the back doors, is this just for the Irish market because on UK models I can’t remember seeing any drinks holders in their back doors - looks like the speakers take up all the space - or am I wrong?
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German reg car, so presume market in Ireland is too small to get early press cars.
For a Dubliner, he has a very mild accent.
The haitch/ aithch pronunciation would be split on religious background in Ireland / N. Ireland.
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There is a couple of video reviews from Honda dealer in Ireland (midlands). With a fairly high words per minute.
For Jazz, apologies for dropping Jazz link in the Hrv thread, even though it is the Jazz section..
review and against kona
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I don't know why this chap is always in such a hurry, He did the same on other reviews.
I did leave a comment on one suggesting there was no rush and that he could s l o w
down.
If you click on the 'settings' cogwheel you can go into 'speed'. reduce it from 100% to 75% THEN you can understand him, without any distortion.
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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=it+will+be+alright+on+the+night+fast+speaking+irishman&qs=n&sp=-1&pq=it+will+be+alright+on+the+night+fast+speaking+irishman&sc=0-54&sk=&cvid=0F28B34345AB4424AB3B7E25BB03C628&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dit%2bwill%2bbe%2balright%2bon%2bthe%2bnight%2bfast%2bspeaking%2birishman%26qs%3dn%26form%3dQBRE%26sp%3d-1%26pq%3dit%2bwill%2bbe%2balright%2bon%2bthe%2bnight%2bfast%2bspeaking%2birishman%26sc%3d0-54%26sk%3d%26cvid%3d0F28B34345AB4424AB3B7E25BB03C628&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=AB7D0234AAF72D25A418AB7D0234AAF72D25A418&FORM=WRVORC (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=it+will+be+alright+on+the+night+fast+speaking+irishman&qs=n&sp=-1&pq=it+will+be+alright+on+the+night+fast+speaking+irishman&sc=0-54&sk=&cvid=0F28B34345AB4424AB3B7E25BB03C628&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dit%2bwill%2bbe%2balright%2bon%2bthe%2bnight%2bfast%2bspeaking%2birishman%26qs%3dn%26form%3dQBRE%26sp%3d-1%26pq%3dit%2bwill%2bbe%2balright%2bon%2bthe%2bnight%2bfast%2bspeaking%2birishman%26sc%3d0-54%26sk%3d%26cvid%3d0F28B34345AB4424AB3B7E25BB03C628&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=AB7D0234AAF72D25A418AB7D0234AAF72D25A418&FORM=WRVORC)
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I would just wait for the review by Thomas.... You know which channel ;)
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I don't know what is holding Thomas up. I have written to him twice and all he says is that Honda Germany are very slow and yet there are at least two German reviews on YT.
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I don't know what is holding Thomas up. I have written to him twice and all he says is that Honda Germany are very slow and yet there are at least two German reviews on YT.
It's because Honda are slow getting him a "Thomas blue" model!
New Auto Express review below. HR-V comes 2nd due to a number of "shortcomings" against the Captur. However, after reading the review they only seem to be a narrow middle-seat and rear door handles which are too high. Whereas the Captur has "cramped" rear seating and gets beaten on mixed fuel consumption (and likely slaughtered on city driving).
Of course, I knew AE would place the Captur first before even reading the article. If Honda had painted the Sistine Chapel they would only give it 3 stars.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-group-tests/356589/honda-hr-v-vs-renault-captur-vs-seat-arona-2021-group-test-review
Starting to like the HR-V more and more, but very happy with my new Jazz as a 2nd car! Now just waiting for the 2023 CR-V to arrive in order to change our main family vehicle.
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If I had to list cars I would NEVER buy any Renault would be right at the top of the list!
A friend of mine was recently lent a Captur as a courtesy car.He said it was the most vile car he had ever driven. He didn't have one good word to say about it!!
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The video on the "HR-v arrived " thread was filmed in Switzerland, but displays a German Umwelt Zone sticker .
Which suggests the car was supplied by a German dealership. Spreading the few available press review cars quite thinly.
They might have got it by post .(the sticker that is) .Many swiss will display them . But would they have got it so soon? They havnt got a French Crit air sticker, but these take 2 weeks to arrive (custom printed for the car) and less likely to be needed .
If anyone needs an Umwelt sticker they last the lifetime of the car and available from various sites on - line. But some charge over 14 euro. I got mine for 6 euro inc postage from this english language site. I
https://www.berlin.de/labo/mobilitaet/kfz-zulassung/feinstaubplakette/shop.86595.en.php
Crit air are only available from From the official french government site. (in English) Its only about 4 euro IIRC
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My AutoExpress arrived this morning so i had a good read of the Captur/HR-V/Arona comparison review. First let me say I haven’t driven any of the cars although I do have a Skoda Yeti with the same DSG as the Arona in the test, so anything I say is based on what I have read in the review. I think that the review was basically fair to all the cars and the reviewers seemed to drive them sensibly and not like a rally driver so that comments on noise under acceleration were fair in saying that driven sensibly both hybrid cars were quiet and refined while somewhat noisier under ‘hard’ acceleration. The Captur’s drivetrain was less sophisticated in performance than the HR-V because there was an obvious, though subtle, jolt when the ICE fired up. The HR-V was silky smooth. The Captur had a bigger boot IF the rear seat was slid forward but doing so all but eliminated rear leg room, in the ‘back’ position the Captur had a slightly smaller boot and significantly less rear leg room. Head room was about the same in both cars. The HR-V was slightly more economical than the Captur and while both had good compliant rides the Captur was felt to be better, although the HR-V ranks towards the top of cars in its segment and is comfortable and compliant - just not as forgiving as the Captur. The HR-V steering was particularly praised as precise and yet still light and easy to use when parking etc. At motorway speeds the HR-V is well insulated from wind noise although there is some rumble from the tyres, the review did not comment on the Captur’s refinement on motorway driving.
The review mentioned Magic Seats and did give the HR-V a 4.2 for practicality over 4.1 for the Captur - that did seem strange to me considering the limited rear leg room of the Captur, it’s smaller boot and lack of storage flexibility. One thing Autoexpress did not mention was that heated front seats are not available on the Captur no matter what trim you choose - that could be a deciding factor for some.
At the end of the review AutoExpress chose the Captur but for the life of me studying the comparisons I couldn’t see why. In the Driver Power satisfaction survey the Renault came in 20th place compared with Honda’s 6th which tells me a lot about the relative quality of the two makes. The element that skewed it must have been that the Captur is cheaper to buy - but is that sufficient to give it first place?
Note - I haven’t dealt with the Arona because it is not really in the same league as the Hybrid Captur and HR-V.
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I've read similar comparison reviews in AA and been puzzled by their final verdict.
In some cases I sarcastically put it down to looking through the mag at the advertisers.
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New Kia Niro unveiled today and it would seem to be a real competitor to the HR-V. Design looks much better than existing dull Niro, will have to wait for further details but will be available as ICE, hybrid, PHEV and full EV. Could be a feasible alternative and certainly
worth looking at anyway before committing?
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Magazines rely heavily on advertising. I imagine the Renault advertising spend is many times greater than Honda on Autoexpress.
Many years ago I had a colleague who wrote articles for a well known cycling magazine. I was told the story of a supplier who donated 20 mountain bikes to the staff and guess what their latest bike got a 5 star review.
I think magazine reviews offer information but the purchaser needs to make up their own mind.
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Magazines rely heavily on advertising. I imagine the Renault advertising spend is many times greater than Honda on Autoexpress.
Many years ago I had a colleague who wrote articles for a well known cycling magazine. I was told the story of a supplier who donated 20 mountain bikes to the staff and guess what their latest bike got a 5 star review.
I think magazine reviews offer information but the purchaser needs to make up their own mind.
Of course you are right. New Niro only previewed no-one has seen or tested one yet. Just thought it worth highlighting as a possible alternative to the HR-V for those still considering options.
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New Kia Niro unveiled today and it would seem to be a real competitor to the HR-V. Design looks much better than existing dull Niro, will have to wait for further details but will be available as ICE, hybrid, PHEV and full EV. Could be a feasible alternative and certainly
worth looking at anyway before committing?
Kia / Hyundai have deserved market share in the UK. Very few missteps in the last 10 years and quality is good.
I service and look after all my vehicles once the warranty runs out and, over the past decade my wife has had a Mk1 CR-V, Nissan Qashqai +2 and Hyundai IX 35 (her current car). The CR-V was completely over engineered and great to work on. Only rust got the better of the main frame (it was coming up to its 20th birthday) so we changed for the Qashqai.
Superficially, the Nissan looked to be built well, but boy oh boy, how I realised how that was not the case. Everything was inferior to the Honda with interior parts perishing at alarming speeds. And once you open things up (like the door cards) it was easy to see where Nissan had skimped on costs. God only knows what the insides of a Renault look like!
The Hyundai has hard plastics galore, but the difference is the thickness / quality of mouldings. Everthing is durable. And the engineering prowess is very close to Honda on mechanicals, just Hondas have better access and re-use alot of established parts (like Toyota).
I've no doubt the Niro would be a sound buy - especially long-term. The current version is too vanilla for me, but the new one has this very odd treatment around the C-pillar. As per the attached image, if they all come in black only that would be a deal breaker for me. I'm also not taken with the headlight treatment under the tiger nose grille. It's rather awkward. Interior looks like the Kia EV6 though, so all good!
For me, the HR-V is a better looking car, especially with a blacked out grille. Conservative yes, but far more elegant. Personally, if I fancied an HR-V I wouldn't wait. The only choice for me Niro-wise would be the fully electric version and I doubt availability would be good for the next year anyway.
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The black C panel is ugly in the released images, you would hope that production models would have body coloured C panels. Otherwise don't think I could live with it!
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The black C panel is ugly in the released images, you would hope that production models would have body coloured C panels. Otherwise don't think I could live with it!
Actually on the Asian Petrolhead site:
they mention at 4:14 that c-pillar colour can be chosen. Still not a fan of that part of the design though, even if body coloured. Otherwise looks smart!
My current thinking is "love my Crosstar to bits, but as the drivetrain works so well, should I have opted for the larger HR-V instead?". The Hybrid set-up works for me right now. Fully electric would be great if a) charging infrastructure in Hungary was better b) costs were slightly more affordable.
The Niro is a good entry point for b) but I think I would still choose the HR-V - mainly because Honda is a more soulful brand which I have more affinity for.
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Autocar 8 page review on the HR-V here:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/honda/hr-v
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If I had to list cars I would NEVER buy any Renault would be right at the top of the list!
A friend of mine was recently lent a Captur as a courtesy car.He said it was the most vile car he had ever driven. He didn't have one good word to say about it!!
In the dim and distant past I had two Renault 5's a GTL and TS. Loved them both (especially the polyester bumpers that bounced back after being 'bumped') but have to agree that Renault has gone downhill ever since.
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One of the better reviews IMO. He has obviously taken the trouble to do his research before writing, unlike many other reviewers.
i must, however, disagree with his negative points.
Bad
Lacks refinement under power and the front seats lack support
Insipid performance on anything other than low-speed urban routes
1. I can only assume that the seats in the Advance Style, which he was obviously driving, are different from the Advance that I drove (& have ordered)
I am a 6' ft 16 and a half stone lump and I found the seats were extremely comfortable and supportive, even without adjustable lumbar support. As all Honda seats I have ever used, in my 6 previous Hondas, have been.
2.He did say that he used 'Sport' mode, but I have to disagree entirely with him regarding insipid performance AS LONG AS you use 'SPORT' mode. It came very close to my 1.5 turbo DSG Karoq. which is very torquey.
In Eco & Standard modes it is not punchy, but perfectly adequate for urban driving, even in Eco.
In cross country driving heavy traffic, during which one might need rapid overtakes be ready to flick it into 'SORT' and you will be surprised at the difference it makes (unlike his opinion) I was quite surprised when I did just that and would say it certainly is no slouch, driven with a large degree of 'verve' and accompanying ICE 'drone', which soon disappears after the overtake.
I have not driven far enough or on M way, so cannot comment on his overall MPG. I can only reiterate that on my hours drive I got 70MPG round the Bournemouth/Poole conurbation and 61 after a 4mile dual carriageway (50mph) trip + urban.
It does not pretend to be a sports car and the 'S'. in SUV must mean sports as in windsurfing etc, not sports as in sports car.
I find it interesting that an increasing number of reviewers are beating Honda's given 0-62 time of 10.9 seconds. I think driven spiritedly, the 9+seconds quoted above is far more realistic.
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This is supposed to be the "Forum for the 4th generation Honda Jazz from 2020 to present".
It can be really interesting to read about the HR-V in this Jazz forum, especially when it comes to relevant differences or similarities with the Jazz.
However, the question is whether one topic in this forum for the 4th generation Honda Jazz would not be enough. At the moment I already count three topics, which in my humble opinion could very well be combined into one HR-V topic.
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Boring!