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Title: 2022 HR-V
Post by: John Ratsey on February 18, 2021, 10:01:36 AM
The next generation HR-V is officially launched today. Some info and photos at https://www.netcarshow.com/honda/2022-hr-v/ .
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: trebor1652 on February 18, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
Well that makes a change.
Pictures of a right hand drive vehicle.

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Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Jocko on February 18, 2021, 10:13:56 AM
(https://www.netcarshow.com/Honda-HR-V-2022-infographic.jpg)

Mind you; it could be an SUV from anybody. They are all clones on the outside.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: richardfrost on February 18, 2021, 10:16:25 AM
Yippe. Real heater controls.  ::)
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: JazzMusic on February 18, 2021, 11:03:20 AM
It looks like it gets the powertrain of the Insight, not the Jazz. So more power available for the heavier car.

Unsure how they'll implement AWD.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: John Ratsey on February 18, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
I'm not keen on the front end appearance which looks like a full SUV rather than a cross-over and can't help the aerodynamics.

Well that makes a change.
Pictures of a right hand drive vehicle.
RHD is what the Japanese expect to see. That's why the UK was one of their first export markets - no need to move the steering wheel, etc.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: JazzMusic on February 18, 2021, 07:17:24 PM
Not a spectacular design, in fact a little bit boring styling.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Jocko on February 18, 2021, 07:27:38 PM
The Honda site says *Images shown may not represent the final production model.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Westy36 on February 18, 2021, 08:26:16 PM
Found these images on Autocar. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-hybrid-only-honda-hr-v-brings-complete-restyle - The car doesn't look very happy from the front. Has an odd face  :D

(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/329177_honda_hr-v_e_hev_2021.jpg?itok=rYNY5PIY)

(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/329178_honda_hr-v_e_hev_2021.jpg?itok=vgrHZahY)

(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/329176_honda_hr-v_e_hev_2021.jpg?itok=AVVGNVuY)

(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/329170_honda_hr-v_e_hev_2021.jpg?itok=Af0l07f6)
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: sparky Paul on February 19, 2021, 12:32:27 AM
The car doesn't look very happy from the front. Has an odd face  :D

(https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/329177_honda_hr-v_e_hev_2021.jpg?itok=rYNY5PIY)


Looks like a  >:(
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on February 19, 2021, 02:38:56 PM
It looks like it gets the powertrain of the Insight, not the Jazz. So more power available for the heavier car.

Unsure how they'll implement AWD.
According to all the Motoring Press the drivetrain is exactly the same as the Jazz but with engine probably tweaked to 150 bhp to compensate for heavier weight.
Interesting to read road Tests and see pricing when announced.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: JazzMusic on February 19, 2021, 03:42:50 PM
It looks like it gets the powertrain of the Insight, not the Jazz. So more power available for the heavier car.

Unsure how they'll implement AWD.
According to all the Motoring Press the drivetrain is exactly the same as the Jazz but with engine probably tweaked to 150 bhp to compensate for heavier weight.
Interesting to read road Tests and see pricing when announced.
This correlates 100% to my observations. The cockpit gauges look exactly the same as the Honda Insight in the US, esp. the Power/Charge meter. 151 hp in the Insight over there.
The Jazz took over a detuned version of the very same engine/system but 151 hp would have been to much for the Jazz even though I'd have loved it.

Ergo my clue is: same system of the Insight in the US in the HR-V to compensate weight. The Insight goes in roughly 8 sec. 0-60 mph. I'd expect the same numbers for the new HR-V. If so then I sell the Jazz and switch to the HR-V. :) The Jazz lacks a little bit of power for what it is.

I don't think we'll see the 2.0 hybrid system of the CR-V because the HR-V uses the same plattform as the Jazz and they're not likely to canabalize the CR-V sales. Due to the weight of the CR-V I think the HR-V will be the faster rabbit of the two.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: jazzaro on February 22, 2021, 09:24:05 PM

Unsure how they'll implement AWD.
As the CR-V 4wd HEV and as every other Honda 4wd: power sent to the rear axle comes from the ant. differential, 
only Toyota uses another electric motor for the rear axle.
Very probably Europe will get only FWD trims.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: jazzaro on February 22, 2021, 09:32:27 PM

According to all the Motoring Press the drivetrain is exactly the same as the Jazz but with engine probably tweaked to 150 bhp to compensate for heavier weight.
Interesting to read road Tests and see pricing when announced.
Hard to get 150bhp from a 1.5 N.A. Atkinson Cycle. The USDM Insight has a slighty more powerful powertrain compared with Jazz Hev, about 20hp more for the electric motor and 8-9 hp than the petrol engine. 151hp is the total system horsepower, but we know that the most important number for the I-MMD is related to the electric motor and the Insight has about 130hp.
Also the battery could be a little bit bigger.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: jazzaro on February 22, 2021, 10:55:02 PM
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Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on March 15, 2021, 04:53:06 PM
Motoring press seem to think the new HR-V will get a slightly detuned version of the CR-V power train initially then a lower powered version based on the existing Jazz power train at a later date.
However, I really wonder if Honda will want the complications of 2 power trains and just adopt one, a slightly beefed up version of the Jazz system. Also canít see why they would need a 4 wheel drive version either, the competition Juke etc. is almost exclusively front wheel drive.



Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: jazzaro on April 22, 2021, 04:28:04 PM
https://hondanews.eu/eu/en/cars/media/pressreleases/331842/all-new-hr-v-efficient-and-responsive-performance-delivered-by-proven-honda-ehev-technologies

1.5L 109hp petrol engine and 131 hp 253nm for the electric motor, similar to the Insight.
No AWD.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on April 23, 2021, 10:34:21 PM
Latest reports today from Hondas confirm total of 129 BHP with 1.5 litre petrol engine. Same drivetrain Hybrid system as latest Jazz and CR-V.
So it looks like a beefed up version of the Jazz engine rather than a downscales version of the CR-V 2.0 L engine. Pricing from £22,000 which should make interesting comparisons with the Crosstar when all is revealed later this year. What Car website has more informations and I expect it will soon be in all the motoring press.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: John Ratsey on April 24, 2021, 09:10:00 PM
The press release states that ground clearance and seat height are raised 10mm from the previous HR-V but the roof is 20mm lower which means that the headroom has been squeezed by 30mm. Perhaps the panoramic roof will no longer be an option and the total height won't be much more than the Crosstar. The big difference may be the HR-V's larger boot and slightly wider cabin. I also wonder what the ride quality will be like on British road surfaces with 18 inch wheels unless these are shod with big tyres.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: peteo48 on April 25, 2021, 10:52:54 AM
Yippe. Real heater controls.  ::)

I think the tide is finally turning against using touch screens for everything. The volume control on the new Jazz radio is also a knob. I have seen a few makes return to knobs for climate control etc.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: tennisl on May 06, 2021, 02:16:47 PM
Anyone knows when this car will available to buy? I haven't decided should I wait this car or to buy Crosstar now...
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: tennisl on May 06, 2021, 02:25:05 PM
it is indeed 129bhp and 253Nm of torque

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Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: JazzMusic on May 06, 2021, 06:44:19 PM
129 hp would be disappointing. The US Insight has 151 and its the same engine.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: John Ratsey on May 06, 2021, 08:53:10 PM
Anyone knows when this car will available to buy? I haven't decided should I wait this car or to buy Crosstar now...
If this https://www.hrvforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1598&sid=dfd7414728b4a302247499d82ea43280#p7748 is correct the you might be able to order before the end of this year for delivery next spring.

Make a list of the features which matter to you and compare the two vehicles. The HR-V is slightly wider and significantly longer than the Crosstar and much of that extra length is given to the boot. The Crosstar's boot isn't generous. The HR-V probably has slightly higher seats but I suspect that you'd struggle to notice the difference. My best guess is that the HR-V will be about 15% thirstier than the Crosstar and I anticipate that the 18" wheels on the HR-V will be less good at smoothing out the grotty road surfaces than the Crosstar's 16" wheels with higher profile tyres.

129 hp would be disappointing. The US Insight has 151 and its the same engine.
The european version is probably focussed on getting better fuel economy. It's actually the torque from the motor which is the biggest factor in performance under most driving conditions.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: tennisl on May 07, 2021, 10:46:25 AM
Thanks for your advice John. The Crosstar "ticked all the boxes" except a boot size which is essential for me having two kids need a extra space for pram and other stuff. I am thinking to buy the Crosstar and purchase roof box (which is not the best option)...
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: JazzMusic on May 07, 2021, 06:50:52 PM
The european version is probably focussed on getting better fuel economy. It's actually the torque from the motor which is the biggest factor in performance under most driving conditions.
That's true in theory. But my Jazz keeps the battery level (between 3 and 4 bars) so low that you hardly ever get it's full torque. I hope they'll spend the HR-V a better battery management or a sport mode which keeps the battery in the upper half of the scale.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Kenneve on May 07, 2021, 08:05:04 PM
You will still get the full torque, if the battery is low, then the engine will cut in, to generate the required power power, to compensate and assist the battery.
Quite happy with my Mk4, goes like a bat out of hell, if I want it to, much better than my previous Mk3 CVT,
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: trebor1652 on May 07, 2021, 08:12:04 PM
You will still get the full torque, if the battery is low, then the engine will cut in, to generate the required power power, to compensate and assist the battery.
Quite happy with my Mk4, goes like a bat out of hell, if I want it to, much better than my previous Mk3 CVT,
Totally agree Kenneve.
Not long had the Crosstar but drives so much better than the MK3.

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Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: tennisl on May 10, 2021, 06:20:20 PM
I just spoke with Honda dealer, they expecting to start selling new HR-V in October.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: rmack on May 12, 2021, 07:21:38 AM
Unfortunately I had to rule out jazz/crosstar after driving on a motorway with velocities around 120km/h (limit 130km/h). Too much bothersome noise from the engine. And when comparing available parameters between HR-V and Jazz I'm afraid it'll be same with the bigger car. I run 1/3 of my driving on a motorway.

Would like to buy Honda but will have to turn to Toyota CH-R probably which has a stronger engine.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: ColinS on May 12, 2021, 07:35:00 AM
Unfortunately I had to rule out jazz/crosstar after driving on a motorway with velocities around 120km/h (limit 130km/h). Too much bothersome noise from the engine. And when comparing available parameters between HR-V and Jazz I'm afraid it'll be same with the bigger car. I run 1/3 of my driving on a motorway.

Would like to buy Honda but will have to turn to Toyota CH-R probably which has a stronger engine.
I'm surprised that engine noise is the issue at those speeds.  I would have thought wind and tyre noise would have been more prevalent.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Jocko on May 12, 2021, 10:39:21 AM
I have to agree. I have a MK1 Jazz but even at 80 mph the tyre and wind noise drowns out my engine. Once I am above 30 mph the engine is the least of my noise concerns.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: peteo48 on May 12, 2021, 11:28:34 AM
Under hard acceleration the engine can rev furiously with the CVT box but, in my Mk3, once you've achieved cruising speed, the revs drop right back (2500 ish at 70). This makes for a relaxed cruise and I agree that the main issue then is road and wind noise.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: ColinS on August 27, 2021, 12:15:12 PM
I see there is no height adjustment for the passenger seat on any of the models.  Will wait to see what it is like in the flesh but could be a deal breaker for me (or I should say, my wife).
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on October 11, 2021, 11:09:08 AM
I see there is no height adjustment for the passenger seat on any of the models.  Will wait to see what it is like in the flesh but could be a deal breaker for me (or I should say, my wife).
HR-V has height adjustable seats for both driver and passenger.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: ColinS on October 11, 2021, 10:12:05 PM
I see there is no height adjustment for the passenger seat on any of the models.  Will wait to see what it is like in the flesh but could be a deal breaker for me (or I should say, my wife).
HR-V has height adjustable seats for both driver and passenger.
Are you sure?  I have them on my model but I didn't think the latest one had a passenger seat height adjustment.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on October 29, 2021, 10:43:07 AM
I see there is no height adjustment for the passenger seat on any of the models.  Will wait to see what it is like in the flesh but could be a deal breaker for me (or I should say, my wife).
HR-V has height adjustable seats for both driver and passenger.
Are you sure?  I have them on my model but I didn't think the latest one had a passenger seat height adjustment.
Hmmm, not positive so have emailed Honda (UK) and asked them. Not too confident they'll know however.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on October 29, 2021, 03:10:43 PM
I see there is no height adjustment for the passenger seat on any of the models.  Will wait to see what it is like in the flesh but could be a deal breaker for me (or I should say, my wife).
HR-V has height adjustable seats for both driver and passenger.
Are you sure?  I have them on my model but I didn't think the latest one had a passenger seat height adjustment.
Hmmm, not positive so have emailed Honda (UK) and asked them. Not too confident they'll know however.

Answer from Honda - new HR-V does NOT have passenger seat height adjustment.  That is a real disappointment and could well be a deal breaker for me as my wife needs an elevated seating position because of back problem. HR-V must be the only mid size crossover without passenger seat height adjustment. For the life of me I canít understand why it is not included.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Karoq on October 29, 2021, 05:49:35 PM
Expatman,
Don't panic about your wife and the passenger seat. When I sat in the open evening HR-V I put the driver's seat right up to the top and it was higher than my Karoq seat.
I obviously have no idea about how tall your wife is, but the chances are that the passenger seat, which presumably will be set around mid way to the driver's, would be plenty high enough for 6ft me with a very bad back.
So don't rule it out 'til she's had the chance to try it.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on October 29, 2021, 05:58:01 PM
Thanks for your personal experience, we will wait till we try the seat on a demonstrator.
£30,000 for a car without passenger seat height adjustment is a bit rich though!!
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: richardfrost on October 29, 2021, 05:58:17 PM
Yep, I'm holding out to see it for real also. Have my concerns about the practicality of the boot and the size of the opening. I'm sure it will all be fine but would rather wait and see. I am in no hurry.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on October 29, 2021, 06:41:00 PM
Like you I'm in no hurry, present car is Skoda Yeti SEL DSG bought in Spring 2017 to replace a 2012 Yeti. Yeti's a great car but Karoq a bit too big and Kamiq seating is too low - hence our looking at the HR-V. I like Honda's from past experience.
I will wait to try an HR-V on a long test drive
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Karoq on November 02, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
To reply to both of you...........
The size of the boot opening is pretty big (can be seen on nearly every video review on YouTube Size depends on what you want to carry.  I think it will take a 26Kg Lurcher if it's dogs you are thinking of. Claimed 335L.
Seat height.......
Fully up the driver's seat is slightly higher than that of my Karoq.

The HR-V is very nearly as long as the Karoq. The overall sizes are comparable.
HONDA HR-V e:HEV
Length (mm)   4340 mm
Width (mm)   1790 mm
Overall Width (mm) with Door Mirror Folded   1866 mm
Width including Door Mirror   2028 mm
Height - Unladen (mm)   1582 mm
SKODA KAROQ
Length 4382 mm
Width  1,841 mm1
Height 1,607 mm
Hope this all helps.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on November 02, 2021, 05:40:37 PM
According to press boot volume is 319 litres, that is not much bigger than the Crosstar at 309 litres and smaller than most of its competitors. However, real test is how many carry -on size bags fit in and how much space left over for soft bags etc. Shape is as important as size in reality.
Thanks for info on length compared with Karoq, really not much shorter so will have to wait and see the HR-V in the metal and see how it looks. I thought a Hybrid would be a good half way move before going full EV, not convinced of charging structure and practicality of long journeys to remoter areas of the west country.
Height of passenger seat could be make or break!
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Kremmen on November 03, 2021, 04:30:17 AM
Boot space will likely suffer when you're carrying a fuel tank and battery pack. I suspect a fair amount of competition sizes are not comparing apples with apples ?
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Karoq on November 03, 2021, 10:35:41 AM
Expatman,
When I saw it in the dealer I was surprised at the size of the boot. I think the litres are down due to the sloping roof line.
The actual area of the boot floor struck me as being not far off that of the Karoq which, officially is over 400L.
Kremmen.
Fuel tank is under the front seats.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on November 03, 2021, 11:57:00 AM
Expatman,
When I saw it in the dealer I was surprised at the size of the boot. I think the litres are down due to the sloping roof line.
The actual area of the boot floor struck me as being not far off that of the Karoq which, officially is over 400L.
Kremmen.
Fuel tank is under the front seats.
Thanks - I am a bit wary of quoted ďlitresĒ because in many instances the shape of the boot defines how many bags etc. can be stowed. I remember having a car many years ago that had a multi litre boot but it was so shallow that it was impossible to carry much in it at all.
Some of the road testers check how many carry on type bags a boot will hold but I havenít seen any of those yet on YouTube.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Karoq on November 03, 2021, 01:58:20 PM
He measures it from 6mins 55secs.
There are loads of videos on YouTube showing suitcases and bikes. Just have a hunt.
Title: Re: 2022 HR-V
Post by: Expatman on November 03, 2021, 03:28:44 PM
He measures it from 6mins 55secs.
There are loads of videos on YouTube showing suitcases and bikes. Just have a hunt.
Thanks - I think I have watched almost every one of the videos which are useful but not comprehensive, OSV and Autobears are ones I usually look at but not tested the HR-V yet. Plenty of time before I decide so will check new reviews as they appear.