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Title: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: guest1372 on August 11, 2016, 01:18:56 PM
Updated: Uncovered transporter shots in Swindon > Southampton lay-by

AutoExpress 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/civic/92475/2017-honda-civic-new-spy-shots-specs-and-prices)

(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/08/slack-for-ios-upload_0.jpg?itok=bvDR2Y-0)
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Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: guest5589 on August 11, 2016, 03:54:19 PM
I just wish they do something about thre fake grills in the rear bumpers but otherwise I'm excited. It's a good looking car which is getting rave reviews in USA plus it's big enough so many ex-Accord owners might even consider coming back to the brand
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: culzean on August 11, 2016, 05:27:58 PM
Looks like the Swindon built 5 door Civic will be exported to USA - hats off to Honda they spent big money at Swindon regardless of EU referendum result,  seems that Japanese are more loyal to UK than our EU 'partners'  - I am disgusted at Autoexpress who don't even include Civic in their 'best hatchbacks to buy' list

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-3473431/Honda-invests-200m-Swindon-plant-confirming-new-10th-generation-Civic-hatchback-built-no-matter-outcome-EU-referendum.html (http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-3473431/Honda-invests-200m-Swindon-plant-confirming-new-10th-generation-Civic-hatchback-built-no-matter-outcome-EU-referendum.html)

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Honda_Civic/ (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Honda_Civic/)
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: TonyS on August 11, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
After having seen a number of the new model Civics back in May whilst on holiday in America I agree with TG about the rear grilles but it is a very good looking car when you see it in the metal. It looks very impressive when you see it from the front with great road presence. Like most new versions of an existing model it has grown in size and is getting close to the Accord in size.
The Coupe version looks very smart and they get the 1.5 litre 174 BHP turbo version as well as the 2.0 litre 158 BHP non turbo version; I've attached some photos of a Coupe which was staying at the same hotel as us.
It remains to be seen if Honda will bring the Coupe version to the UK this time after their last attempt which didn't sell very well, partly I suspect because it wasn't the very stylish for a Coupe. 

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Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: guest5589 on August 11, 2016, 05:41:31 PM
@TonyS that looks stunning! Love the colour as well but like all good things, I doubt it will be coming to UK.

It will be interesting to know which body shell will the first ever US bound Type R will be offered in. My guess is since UK will be supplying the hatchbacks and there will most definitely be a UK Type R, it wouldn't make sense to develop a separate coupe version for US.

Unless Honda sees the light and offers atleast the saloon to left over Accord enthusiasts as an alternative to the discontinued model.
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: TonyS on August 11, 2016, 07:50:35 PM
Yes it really does look great and we saw quite a number of the Coupe version as Coupes generally are a lot more popular over there.
I'm sure with those looks it would sell a lot better than the previous version if only Honda would be brave enough to give it a go.

This one looked even better but then it did cost considerably more than the Honda and it's not quite as practical!


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Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: guest5589 on August 11, 2016, 08:15:28 PM
Yes it really does look great and we saw quite a number of the Coupe version as Coupes generally are a lot more popular over there.
I'm sure with those looks it would sell a lot better than the previous version if only Honda would be brave enough to give it a go.

This one looked even better but then it did cost considerably more than the Honda and it's not quite as practical!

The Ford GT!
*jaw drops*
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: TonyS on August 11, 2016, 08:21:43 PM
There were quite a few jaws dropped when the two occupants returned to the car and drove away in it.
Both were men of considerable years but obviously true petrol heads and enjoying their day out as we would in a car like that.
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: RichardA on August 11, 2016, 08:42:18 PM
I saw this posted on HondaPro Jason's Facebook page, I understand the US will get the hatch first - maybe that's where they're heading?
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: guest1372 on August 11, 2016, 09:15:53 PM
I understand the US will get the hatch first - maybe that's where they're heading?
North American style licence plate screw holes, so probably.

hats off to Honda they spent big money at Swindon regardless of EU referendum result,  seems that Japanese are more loyal to UK than our EU 'partners'
I think Honda's forward planning is greater than 6 weeks, more like 6 years.  The sterling component of a Swindon Civic 5d hatch won't help global sales much or HUM's margin.  It will be interesting to see if demand can overcome this obstacle, and they can re-open plant #2 to bring capacity back to 250,000 from 150,000.
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Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: guest5589 on August 11, 2016, 09:49:19 PM
according to TTAC some loading pics were taken during March at Southampton and tracking the ship in photos they reckoned the hatches are already in US. I think they will be shown during October
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: culzean on August 12, 2016, 04:25:57 PM
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/nsx/90010/new-honda-nsx-price-2016-uk-release-date-and-latest-details (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/nsx/90010/new-honda-nsx-price-2016-uk-release-date-and-latest-details)

Forget the Civic for a moment and feast your eyes on the NSX - performance is nothing short of staggering - 550BHP twin turbo Hybrid engine - 0-60 in 3 seconds - will definitely give BMW, Mclaren and Audi pause for thought......

Honda  cars have been in the doldrums for years now - they were trying to produce 'green' cars - which don't excite people at all (not me anyway) - now they are getting back to the Honda as we used to know and love it,  making ground breaking cars at prices that are not actually too bad (Just over £100K for the NSX).
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: TonyS on August 12, 2016, 06:28:21 PM
It's been a long time coming since the original NSX with Senna's input but it's been worth the wait and is definitely up there with the likes of  Mclaren and Co.
It should help to lift Hondas image from the stereotypical image of being the pensioners default choice.
If I had the cash I would be down to the local dealer tomorrow.
Failing that a Civic Coupé would have to suffice if it ever becomes available over here.
Title: 2017 Honda Civic revealed - plus exclusive Autocar images
Post by: guest1372 on September 16, 2016, 05:05:42 PM
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-paris-motor-show/2017-honda-civic-revealed-plus-exclusive-autocar-images (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-paris-motor-show/2017-honda-civic-revealed-plus-exclusive-autocar-images)

As pointed out elsewhere by Legend-ary, this may be the first car with a Qi charge plate for your mobile.
Still think both bumpers are not suited to on street parking.  And that looks like the kind of engine bay you're thankful you don't have to change a timing belt.

#  The interior is also greatly improved - with cleaner lines and, notably, a far less antiquated touchscreen than the current generation. It was also the base spec, built primarily for the US market, so we expect UK buyers to fare even better. (TG* Second-generation Connect infotainment and connectivity systems, which integrate with both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto have been fitted to US 2016MY Civics)

#  Interior space has improved, thanks to the longer wheelbase. Rear leg room has increased by a claimed 95mm and there’s more shoulder room in the front and rear. Boot space remains the same as before, at 478 litres, which is considerably more than the 360 litres of its Volkswagen Golf rival. Honda has ditched its so called Magic Seats and instead reverted to a more traditional 60/40 rear seat split.

#  A hybrid is also likely to arrive during the car's lifecycle with Kiraya confirming to Autocar that the new platform can accommodate such a powertrain. However, an all-electric Civic is not possible with this platform.

#  The saloon and three-door variants, built primarily for the US market, won’t be offered in the UK.

(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-135.jpg?itok=1wOjUZtC)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-152.jpg?itok=Xv8APjhy)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-144.jpg?itok=_2Dt4M6z)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-145.jpg?itok=JnAH1OnA)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-164.jpg?itok=yINOT-Zh)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-149.jpg?itok=yvVJEcTS)
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Title: Re: 2017 Honda Civic revealed - plus exclusive Autocar images
Post by: guest5589 on September 16, 2016, 05:37:26 PM
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-paris-motor-show/2017-honda-civic-revealed-plus-exclusive-autocar-images (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-paris-motor-show/2017-honda-civic-revealed-plus-exclusive-autocar-images)

As pointed out elsewhere by Legend-ary, this may be the first car with a Qi charge plate for your mobile.
Still think both bumpers are not suited to on street parking.  And that looks like the kind of engine bay you're thankful you don't have to change a timing belt.

#  The interior is also greatly improved - with cleaner lines and, notably, a far less antiquated touchscreen than the current generation. It was also the base spec, built primarily for the US market, so we expect UK buyers to fare even better. (TG* Second-generation Connect infotainment and connectivity systems, which integrate with both Apple CarPlay and Android Auto have been fitted to US 2016MY Civics)

#  Interior space has improved, thanks to the longer wheelbase. Rear leg room has increased by a claimed 95mm and there’s more shoulder room in the front and rear. Boot space remains the same as before, at 478 litres, which is considerably more than the 360 litres of its Volkswagen Golf rival. Honda has ditched its so called Magic Seats and instead reverted to a more traditional 60/40 rear seat split.

#  A hybrid is also likely to arrive during the car's lifecycle with Kiraya confirming to Autocar that the new platform can accommodate such a powertrain. However, an all-electric Civic is not possible with this platform.

#  The saloon and three-door variants, built primarily for the US market, won’t be offered in the UK.

(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-135.jpg?itok=1wOjUZtC)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-152.jpg?itok=Xv8APjhy)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-144.jpg?itok=_2Dt4M6z)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-145.jpg?itok=JnAH1OnA)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-164.jpg?itok=yINOT-Zh)(http://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/honda-civic-web-a-149.jpg?itok=yvVJEcTS)
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I think 180bhp from 1.5 is pretty good but this show model does look like a sporty one and not the volume one. Centre exhausts, Adaptive damper button and extra bits under the bumper kind of hint its intentions.

Other than the absurdly busy rear bumper I think its a very nice design. Agree regarding the snake's nest of an engine bay.. .but atleast they are proud to show it off and haven't covered in a sea of boring and unnecessary plastic.

ps. I will miss the manual parking brake.. don't like these button ones.
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: guest1372 on September 16, 2016, 09:04:24 PM
ps. I will miss the manual parking brake.. don't like these button ones.
Agree about the engine cover, open a VW and it's about 1m2.  One good thing about the electronic parking brake is you don't have to release it when you set off, but for those of us who roll/push their cars a couple of metres rather than start it up it will be a pain - I assume engine off = parking brake on.
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Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: guest5589 on September 17, 2016, 08:53:33 AM
A good summary of the changes are listed on MSN cars. Change pictures to see the relevant text: http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/new-2017-honda-Civic-revealed-bolder-better-and-british/ss-BBwdXSg?ocid=spartandhp#image=18 (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/new-2017-honda-Civic-revealed-bolder-better-and-british/ss-BBwdXSg?ocid=spartandhp#image=18)
Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: VicW on September 19, 2016, 04:04:15 PM
An interesting point with the new Civic is that the auto transmissions will be a CVT of which Honda have plenty of experience.

Vic.
Title: Video: Producing the 10G Civic hatch
Post by: guest1372 on October 19, 2016, 09:35:50 PM
Inside the Swindon factory producing the Civic 10G hatch.
Best played at least 1.5x standard speed (too much slow-mo panning)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZDjZFa9KI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZDjZFa9KI)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/4vmrsz.png) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZDjZFa9KI)
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Title: Re: Autoexpress: 2017 Honda Civic: new spy shots, specs and prices
Post by: culzean on October 20, 2016, 09:28:11 AM
I have spent more hours of my life than I now care to think about installing and getting equipment like that into production (assembling the body shell is called 'body-in-white' because no paint is involved yet).  All those sparks are just for effect, if the welding guns are set up properly they don't spark - but the film-makers know that it looks boring and they always asked us to turn up the welding current until nice big satisfying showers of sparks were produced.  Truth is quality control would reject a body that had been welded like that.

I can remember times when quality found marks (dings) on panels,  especially 'skin' panels which show up when car is finished (and the marks look worse when they are painted) - we had to track back through the whole process to find out where the dings were happening - happy days  ::)

I felt bad about putting people out of jobs and replacing them with robots,  and as some operators used to say 'you realise those robots won't be buying cars' - how can you argue with logic like that ?