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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: Electric cars
« Last post by peteo48 on November 22, 2017, 10:46:33 PM »
On climate change, as a non scientist, I don't feel qualified to express a personal opinion. Let's just say I've looked at both sides of the argument and have opted for the man made climate change option.

Science is well known for changing its collective mind on a regular basis, they are adamant on one point until someone comes up with another theory. A lot of money has been made out of carbon taxes, and even more money on the table for other things like EV.  Scientists mostly chase funding, and rarely if ever dare express a view that disagrees with the funding provider.  Soon someone will discover that the suns output affects temperature on earth (it is our only real source of heat), and that suns output fluctuates, also earth rotation axis wobbles every so often and causes changes in climate.

I think this funding argument is a zero sum game. Most climate change sceptics are financed by the fossil fuel industries.

Stephen Hawking and Brian Cox are not in the climate change business but they are pretty sure man made climate change is a fact. I'll take either of them against Nigel Lawson any day on matters of science.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: Electric cars
« Last post by MartinJG on November 22, 2017, 10:23:27 PM »

Yes. I watched an interesting documentary featuring the Anglogold mine you mention. The way things are going we could end up living on something resembling a Swiss Cheese.
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Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 / Re: WhatCar? Used car award 2017
« Last post by 123Drive! on November 22, 2017, 10:15:22 PM »
Thanks for the response and support! The Jazz is easy to drive if not fun. But the engineering is second to none! And the advert and money for the magazine, oh, I never thought of that! Oh well, that's life I guess.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: Electric cars
« Last post by Jocko on November 22, 2017, 10:07:14 PM »
You don't have to drill that far down. Deep mining such as some coal mines, gold mines and diamond mines are deep enough to get very hot. I was once taken down Seafield Colliery, under the Firth of Forth, and it was very warm down there. The main shafts went down to 600 metres and the deepest workings were 1000 metres. It closed in 1988 leaving 150 years of coal (they reckoned 60 million tons) untouched.
The deepest mine in the world, AngloGold Ashantis Mponeng gold mine, located south-west of Johannesburg in South Africa, is currently the deepest mine in the world. The operating depth at Mponeng mine ranged from between 2.4km to more than 3.9km below the surface. Ongoing expansions have resulted in deeper digging at Mponeng, pushing the record to beyond the four kilometre mark. Air-conditioning equipment is used to cool the mine from 55 C (131 F) down to a more tolerable 28 C (82 F). The rock face temperature reaches 60 C (140 F).
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: Electric cars
« Last post by MartinJG on November 22, 2017, 09:34:47 PM »
Culzean

What about the Earth's core? Although it happened a few years ago, one might consider the core to be a sort of big storage heater. In fact,  I am sure I recall reading or hearing talk of tapping the heat by drilling down. Probably the same scientists who were looking for further funding. Or was that a Hollywood movie.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: Electric cars
« Last post by culzean on November 22, 2017, 09:23:51 PM »
On climate change, as a non scientist, I don't feel qualified to express a personal opinion. Let's just say I've looked at both sides of the argument and have opted for the man made climate change option.

Science is well known for changing its collective mind on a regular basis, they are adamant on one point until someone comes up with another theory. A lot of money has been made out of carbon taxes, and even more money on the table for other things like EV.  Scientists mostly chase funding, and rarely if ever dare express a view that disagrees with the funding provider.  Soon someone will discover that the suns output affects temperature on earth (it is our only real source of heat), and that suns output fluctuates, also earth rotation axis wobbles every so often and causes changes in climate.
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Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 / Re: WhatCar? Used car award 2017
« Last post by culzean on November 22, 2017, 09:15:02 PM »

The other cars on the list were the Fabia and A1. With its DSG gearbox problem well documented, how can they be shortlisted?

Name a major problem with the Jazz? I can't. So surely, the "experts" have got it wrong?

So called experts can be as biased as anyone, depends who is paying their wages, in other words who buys advertising space in the mags (being a bit generous here and not mentioning brown envelopes).

'ex' means 'used to be' and a 'spurt' is 'drip under pressure' - think that covers it.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: Electric cars
« Last post by peteo48 on November 22, 2017, 09:12:35 PM »
On climate change, as a non scientist, I don't feel qualified to express a personal opinion. Let's just say I've looked at both sides of the argument and have opted for the man made climate change option.
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Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 / Re: WhatCar? Used car award 2017
« Last post by peteo48 on November 22, 2017, 09:09:26 PM »
I don't know the exact criteria but motoring journalists seem to put everything on driveability, handling etc etc and from everything you read the Fiesta is well ahead of the Jazz in these departments.

But, second hand, reliability surely has to be the key factor along with general useability and here the Jazz comes out on top. It regularly tops Which best second hand buys.
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Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 / Re: WhatCar? Used car award 2017
« Last post by trebor1652 on November 22, 2017, 08:42:38 PM »
It all depends on the size of the bung.

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