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AC packed up again
« on: August 12, 2021, 07:44:57 PM »
My AC has packed up again. It appears to fail on start-up as it was OK this morning but didn't work when we returned to the car after a walk. I am trying to locate the relay box mentioned on here and on 'You Tube' below the battery but I can't see it. Anyone got any clues please?

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2021, 03:17:42 PM »
I found the relay box, it is below the washer bottle filler neck on the right hand side of the engine compartment.

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2021, 03:53:12 PM »
Well done - seems like no-one else knew either!

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2021, 05:03:37 PM »
I found the relay box, it is below the washer bottle filler neck on the right hand side of the engine compartment.

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Thanks, wondered what was in there,  looks like a real afterthought though, imagine it often  gets doused with windscreen washer fluid :-[
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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2021, 06:47:27 PM »
In passing I have noticed that the car is a little more lively with the air con switched off, something I have never done on any of the Jazz's that I have owned. The compressor does put a load on the engine then. You don't notice any difference with the compressor off, it still looks the same with all of the end rotating.

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2021, 07:23:15 PM »
In passing I have noticed that the car is a little more lively with the air con switched off, something I have never done on any of the Jazz's that I have owned. The compressor does put a load on the engine then. You don't notice any difference with the compressor off, it still looks the same with all of the end rotating.

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The compressor pulley is well below the other pulleys,  even in daylight you need a torch to see it ( roughly down by the main body member ) IIRC it is two pulleys lower than the alternator pulley and the centre definitely stops rotating either when aircon turned off or during cycling of aircon ( or with low gas or any other reason why aircon not working ).
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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2021, 08:42:57 AM »
Funny that. From 'advice' on Youtube I looked everywhere on the right hand side (looking from the front) near and under the battery for that same relay box but it turned out mine was on the left near the neck of the washer bottle too.

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2021, 07:29:50 PM »
The compressor pulley is well below the other pulleys,  even in daylight you need a torch to see it ( roughly down by the main body member ) IIRC it is two pulleys lower than the alternator pulley and the centre definitely stops rotating either when aircon turned off or during cycling of aircon ( or with low gas or any other reason why aircon not working ).

That was definitely the case with my Mk1 but on my Mk2 the pulley appears to rotate all the time. Maybe it's a different type of compressor. I am sure that I am looking at the compressor as you see the black rubber high pressure pipe connected to the condensor.

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2021, 10:00:38 PM »
The pulley has to rotate all the time. Belt can't slip!

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2021, 02:52:17 PM »
Obviously I am not talking about the compressor pulley but the centre portion that allegedly stops rotating when the AC is off.

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2021, 04:51:54 PM »
Obviously I am not talking about the compressor pulley but the centre portion that allegedly stops rotating when the AC is off.

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No allegedly about it Vic, the drive shaft of the compressor connected to the centre portion of the clutch, the outer of the pulley rotates all the time engine is running, between the outer pulley and the inner compressor drive shaft is a magnetic solenoid clutch that can either ( when energised ) lock the compressor to the pulley, or when de-energised de-couple the pulley from compressor shaft. Click on the picture of compressor + pulley in this link to enlarge it and you see the triangular bit inside the ribbed pulley ( you can see the clutch springs that open the clutch when power removed from solenoid ( that is the bit that either turns or does not.  First link below id the actual clutch ( 3 parts, solenoid, pulley and clutch plate )

https://www.bestpartstore.co.uk/13210512-thermotec-magnetic-clutch-air-conditioner-compressor

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/402628601021?fits=Car+Make%3AHonda%7CModel%3AJazz&epid=20039426131&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item5dbe88e4bd:g:XcEAAOSwOJ1gnSLf&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSv8pnySnjCrvuafadD2t5d4nVHZlSudVmj0i3ccB1EOqOa%252F9KBLnHsx75w0TcPoeHgb4yClmU83CRL3FEVQo%252BI3HFZ7%252BezD5yhP%252BstuMNnMeJ%252FAe7rRP649HXCfF2oP3o5VzIUJXKnTBWhwoNUApZzFoww04dFxhgW6Cg4W5M4i4Qul6iEkfotUUwQNS4WUgVpyZZhbcEPll%252Fa0q1QSmGC1aPgijCEwbQrXPwEKLtQYV7RFpP9tZq5UlRh8m0WmTFJTOHntjSFx2yR6np0THRg7KXH10cngzxRpMnZt7WQvfBDIWuoMKsj944PUcX2c%252F7XYjzrOANtpkBHWHXhxpCavzzdJ01YMFN%252FJ5vI3joQu8NIURStXaknORumZiCYfodcZMF9R8pWaVMK1WcRtKw6ctNDMZ%252F50HKhuTffyZv5RET%252BQ107S6zEObfYudSKIIMPuUhyqfFkhEsbQQC50b25mA4JrX097HraQfcgMkAvw83F%252BnGwy5QThcYLuvKZN3GRHBwnY12S8u6KkWqqKDCwtszi4s8SjSFyXm5X7%252FAgTSW7Tth%252Feq37WoIaGZ7W0UWWhJF7QU1oJfpUwSjLRLprHzRyhJE0Dk9%252FRgMHWULMW7rZ99EbZvKWZ4ePAcUL4xrrAQiaBZqf0dokY8XWvEU2j96ZAMR8Ud4Vx%252FWe0O1P2%252F0D%252BLPrwZ9tJ9G%252FuYiOtWnA9vmhkd8tXnpXeNGfAmifYxGYx4Gksobsp%252FOPwDE8KJyD%252BWfsEl54CZLGtPqYlQWHrj87lFdNwzuEkkKvd73P0dWJpJi8R%252FSfbuRJB%252BEipWAYhzfg5b%252BdcDRbdQeiBfv%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2499334
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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2021, 07:15:14 PM »
These references appear to refer to a Mk1 Jazz and look like the compressor on my Mk1 when I had one. The second link refers to Mk1 and later on confirms that it is not suitable for a Mk2 so presumably the Mk2 is different.

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2021, 08:09:43 PM »
Trust me Vic,  My wife has a MK2 Si 1.4 iVtec a couple of years younger than your Jazz, the clutch is the same - and if I shine a torch on the pulley 2 below alternator I can see the centre of pulley stop and rotate as the aircon cycles. It is the only way to stop compressor running.... Some car makers have a piston type variable displacement compressor where it can in theory stay connected to the pulley and the displacement varied from pretty much zero to maximum. Honda have a fixed displacement scroll type compressor and the only way to stop it pumping gas at full capacity is to disconnect it from the pulley,  that is when you hear the fans start and stop, the clutch cuts in and out at same time.   You need a torch to see pulley even in daylight as it is so deep down,  partly hidden by a chassis member.  If your 2010 jazz has any other system it will indeed be an oddball.

Many parts sellers call the 2002 --> 2008 Jazz the 'MK2' ( I saw Mk2 in the first link I posted, did not look at dates below, I would have if I had wanted to buy it ).  This seller ( link below ) says suitable for 2010 'Jazz MK3' ( which we on clubjazz call the MK2 because this forum does not cover original 1982 --> 1986 Jazz ).  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Jazz, which bears more than a passing resemblance to the Austin Metro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Metro  which Austin Rover released in early 1980's, at the time when Honda and Austin Rover had a technical tie-up.

You can clearly see the front view of clutch showing the triangular piece and the 3 radial springs to open the clutch when it gets de-energised,  that triangular piece is the bit that rotates and stops..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124579639417?epid=6039437625&hash=item1d01867079%3Ag%3AijQAAOSwL0pgLooh&fits=Car+Make%3AHonda%7CCars+Year%3A2010%7CModel%3AJazz
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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2021, 03:04:04 PM »
The aircon started working again all on its own but the condenser fan runs almost all the time, previously the fan would cycle about ten seconds on and off presumably the compressor as well.
I am wondering if the Hi/Lo pressure switch is faulty, does anyone know where it is?

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Re: AC packed up again
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2021, 07:11:37 PM »
I now know that there are two pressure switches but have no idea where they are.

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