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Title: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 20, 2022, 08:22:32 AM
I got dealer to update my sat nav on new car after handover as my 2-3 year old development postcodes like TN21 0GA, TN21 0GB not on database but it’s still the same. Told dealer to look into it. Anyone else have same problem or try one of the postcodes and can we check version?.
On my sat nav I have set Use Current Location to set home location so my location is Home 1 in a field.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JasonH on November 20, 2022, 08:54:04 AM
Had this issue with a brand new Hyundai Tucson. Not sure if this applies to Honda, but it turns out that a lot of car manufacturers save money by not paying for the latest and greatest maps and data.

So Hyundai’s promise of 5 years free map updates was pretty much meaningless as the manufacturers maps were already at least 3 years out of date and when proven they were out of date and asked about when new maps would be available, I was told at least 18 months to 3 years and they didn’t sound confident on that time scale either.

Previous to this I took my car in for satnav updates, they had it a day and it was returned to me with the exact same software map versions, though they claimed they were new. Fortunately I had taken photos of the software versions previously installed to prove them wrong. I ended up losing faith in the brand and bought a dedicated SatNav.



Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 20, 2022, 09:54:06 AM
I waited over an hour for dealer to take car to area to update Sat Nav. I did ask them to check what version I had but was just handed my keys on return. A couple of months ago a delivery driver told me my postcode wasn’t on his sat nav but he had been here when building was going on so remembered and Sky driver phoned me last year with same problem. Must be lots of people driving around with old versions.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Jocko on November 20, 2022, 01:26:40 PM
The latest versions are only as good as the company that supplies them. I had a TomTom One that showed a dual carriageway in Kirkcaldy that didn't exist, never did exist and was not planned to be built. My stepdaughter's house is not on any sat nav I have used despite having been built many years ago. Most of the rest of the street is, except the bit at the end (a cul-de-sac).
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 20, 2022, 02:06:03 PM
I wonder if mapping providers rely on feedback. I don't suppose they can cover every nook and cranny.

Maybe a report would get them looking for a future update.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Lord Voltermore on November 20, 2022, 02:31:02 PM
Happens with all brands of sat nav.  A couple of years ago my standalone (also a Garmin) tried to take me on the A14 through Huntingdon.   I had the latest maps, updated 4 times a year.    Unknown to me A 14 is now a bypass, and worst still a section of the original road had literally been dug up and returned to a green field  . Well grown.  Must have happened at least 18 months before.  Huntingdon was full confused and lost drivers. I could have found the old route, except it no longer existed! 

In some countries the opposite can happen.   Maps updated in advance of planned motorway construction.  Which gets cancelled or delayed for years. So the road you expected to follow does not exist.  In fact in a couple of instances I have followed the same route 3 years running , thinking that surely the road still featured on the latest  satnav updates  must be finished by now. Nah.  :P       And thats not counting the many times I have travelled on a road that has has obviously been open for years   yet on the satnav I am following a breadcrumb trail  in the middle of nowhere.   
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 20, 2022, 03:40:46 PM
https://support.garmin.com/en-GB/?faq=pJLZBzPen9A7OXw5vlRyu5
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Lord Voltermore on November 20, 2022, 04:05:04 PM
https://support.garmin.com/en-GB/?faq=pJLZBzPen9A7OXw5vlRyu5
Yeah, I shouldnt really complain if I've done nothing to help   :-[   I know the A14 was sorted not long after. The others were in places where I cant speak the local lingo, or fully familiar with locations .  Ok, maybe Garmin themselves dont speak the local lingo either and would welcome my input in english.  My pathetic excuses for doing nothing rarely bear close scrutiny   :-X

IIRC from an earlier post one of  the members on here is/ was closely involved in local map updating. Is that you?    If so   Thanks .Stuff doesnt just happen.   :-*
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Jocko on November 20, 2022, 11:32:00 PM
Maybe a report would get them looking for a future update.
I did that and also pointed out that you cannot drive through the public park due to the steel posts set in the ground. Nothing changed.
The maps I have now for TomTom Go are updated regularly but one night I was directed through a strange part of Edinburgh (strange to me, though there are many very strange parts of Edinburgh). It wanted me to cross the Union Canal  - at a footbridge. When I drove away from it to find another route it kept directing me back. I had to use the inbuilt compass in my head.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 21, 2022, 09:38:28 AM
Can someone with a new car in last few months enter my postcode TN21 0GA (that’s zero not O) into their Sat Nav to see if it works?. Can we find out what version on the Garmin?.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: ColinS on November 21, 2022, 09:50:17 AM
Works on my 2018 HR-V
Software Version: 3.45
Honda: 2.0
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 21, 2022, 10:10:20 AM
I'm away from mine till Wed but if I remember I'll test on my Jazz with the latest 2022 update and my Garmin DS61, just out of interest.

Remind me Wed  :)
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 21, 2022, 11:03:48 AM
My version 2.09
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Steve_M on November 21, 2022, 11:37:25 AM
My version 2.09
That's not the Map version, that's the Navigation app version, that rarely changes.

You need to look in Settings > Map and Vehicle > myMaps for the map version.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Expatman on November 21, 2022, 12:33:36 PM
Can someone with a new car in last few months enter my postcode TN21 0GA (that’s zero not O) into their Sat Nav to see if it works?. Can we find out what version on the Garmin?.
Works perfectly on Waze and Google maps.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 21, 2022, 12:51:40 PM
My version 2.09
That's not the Map version, that's the Navigation app version, that rarely changes.

You need to look in Settings > Map and Vehicle > myMaps for the map version.

Couple of screen dumps
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 21, 2022, 02:04:45 PM
2022.10 is the latest for Europe and was available about a year ago, December I think, so maybe .......

Update : Came in December 2nd 2021 :

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=14100.msg112512#msg112512
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: pebbles on November 21, 2022, 05:23:20 PM
Can someone with a new car in last few months enter my postcode TN21 0GA (that’s zero not O) into their Sat Nav to see if it works?. Can we find out what version on the Garmin?.

latest 2023 maps just installed on the car and standalone Garmin.

TN21 0GA without a house number just gives A267 and choices of Cross in Hand , Heathfield , Horam or Little London
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 21, 2022, 08:58:26 PM
Can someone with a new car in last few months enter my postcode TN21 0GA (that’s zero not O) into their Sat Nav to see if it works?. Can we find out what version on the Garmin?.

latest 2023 maps just installed on the car and standalone Garmin.

TN21 0GA without a house number just gives A267 and choices of Cross in Hand , Heathfield , Horam or Little London

Thank you. Looks like Garmin not got our development of four streets on their maps. My postcode should pick up Autumn Drive, Horam. The A267 main road outside the development. As I said I used Setting Home Location so on the photo I am 1 Home in a field off the A267, 2 is a nearby main road. As you can see no streets.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Jocko on November 21, 2022, 09:54:06 PM
My TomTom Go doesn't find the postcode or Autumn Drive - and it was updated yesterday.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Jocko on November 21, 2022, 10:15:45 PM
Doing some research and I have discovered that Sat Nav maps are supplied by either TomTom maps or Nokia (previously Navteq). Nokia supplies Garmin with its maps. If a new road opens the day after a survey it can be 12 to 18 months before that area is surveyed again. TomTom seemingly has only 22 survey cars, worldwide as of June this year. They use data fed back from devices using their maps to correct their maps.

https://www.alphr.com/features/375415/how-satnav-maps-are-made/ (https://www.alphr.com/features/375415/how-satnav-maps-are-made/)
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Jazzik on November 21, 2022, 10:39:21 PM
In such a case, isn't it easier to look up the address on google maps and enter the coordinates in the navigation?
I know it's a "detour", but in the case of new addresses it works.
Last August our navigation didn't know my daughter's new address (yet). On Google Maps I found it easily, (with their cars in the driveway :D). Coordinates entered and the navigation brought us neatly to the door!

And as for Autumn Drive, Horam, check it out here.

https://www.google.pl/maps/place/Autumn+Dr,+Horam,+Heathfield,+Verenigd+Koninkrijk/@50.9292965,0.2384536,117m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47df692cc6a8b71d:0x4a1b15e8208dc22d!8m2!3d50.9289939!4d0.2390195?hl=nl

Right-click the house on the map... eureka! Coordinates appear!
https://support.google.com/maps/answer/18539?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 21, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
In such a case, isn't it easier to look up the address on google maps and enter the coordinates in the navigation?
I know it's a "detour", but in the case of new addresses it works.
Last August our navigation didn't know my daughter's new address (yet). On Google Maps I found it easily, (with their cars in the driveway :D). Coordinates entered and the navigation brought us neatly to the door!

And as for Autumn Drive, Horam, check it out here.

https://www.google.pl/maps/place/Autumn+Dr,+Horam,+Heathfield,+Verenigd+Koninkrijk/@50.9292965,0.2384536,117m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47df692cc6a8b71d:0x4a1b15e8208dc22d!8m2!3d50.9289939!4d0.2390195?hl=nl

A mouse click on the intended house and... eureka! Coordinates appear!

If you read what I said at the very beginning with the photo. On my sat nav I have set Use Current Location to set home location so my location is Home 1. There are coordinates shown
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 22, 2022, 04:50:53 AM
Both Garmin and TT have always been very late in adding urban new developments. I still suspect they don't get the info from the various agencies as frequently as they make out.

They can also get it wrong the other way round. The Hindhead tunnel appeared on some SatNavs before it was opened.

I did submit a new housing development in Great Malvern to Garmin, back in the 90's, and they did have it mapped 2 updates later.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Lord Voltermore on November 22, 2022, 06:28:35 AM
Delivery drivers may not find you. The taxman always will.  Unless you are rich enough.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 22, 2022, 12:53:30 PM
Garmin DS61 also shows A267 with the destination in open space.

Put in a house number and it backtracks to 4 known 'TN21 0'  that have house numbers.

Horam
Little London
Heathfield
Cross in Hand

Map version 2023.10

Same as Pebbles above
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 22, 2022, 04:19:15 PM
Little London Road is on A267 road that links Horam up with Cross in Hand and Heathfield. I have logged query with Garmin but don’t expect decent reply.

Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 22, 2022, 04:29:11 PM
.... or use Android Auto Google Maps ?

I haven't used the built in Garmin since I found out it had no traffic, just days after delivery.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Neil Ives on November 22, 2022, 04:41:36 PM
I understand that it's a bad idea to have a 'Home' location set on your Satnav. This is because if someone steals the car while you are away from home they know that you are not there so they or their mates can safely burgle you. I have home set but named it something unrelated.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Guinness 2 on November 22, 2022, 05:12:13 PM
The best address to put in your Home address is the local Police Station!
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: R2D3 on November 22, 2022, 06:31:01 PM
I understand that it's a bad idea to have a 'Home' location set on your Satnav. This is because if someone steals the car while you are away from home they know that you are not there so they or their mates can safely burgle you. I have home set but named it something unrelated.
You beat me to it. My 'home' address is a mile away from my actual address... and I have always managed to find my way home from there!
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Jazzik on November 22, 2022, 07:27:49 PM
My "Home" is the entrance to the large parking garage under a building with 64 apartments. Nice puzzle for the potential burglars. ;D
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Jocko on November 22, 2022, 11:38:43 PM
My Home takes me to a cul-de-sac with 19 houses. Let them take their pick. Oh, hang on a minute. My satnav is my phone so it isn't in the car! Maybe they will just steal my phone and leave the car in which case I can drive home.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Lord Voltermore on November 23, 2022, 06:38:45 AM
Chose the address of that neighbour you dont like.  Then if the car is stolen it might cheer you up to hear he was burgled later.  Unless your car is spotted and you are accused of carrying out the burglary   :o
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: pebbles on November 23, 2022, 09:38:07 AM
got me thinking , I keep my insurance and Honda breakdown docs. , with my details on , in the glove compartment just in case.

Not anymore , scanned them to the phone.

Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 23, 2022, 09:47:41 AM
I've just got my street name on my 'Home' setting including a number is indeed not a good idea
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Pine on November 23, 2022, 10:14:29 AM
My home address is the entrance to the estate where I live.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Lord Voltermore on November 23, 2022, 03:24:06 PM
How likely is it really?   Most burglars are opportunists.  They are far more likely  to target your house because its one of many they personally checked in the area until they find one that looks vulnerable and unoccupied.  They may even have spotted you driving off. 
Certainly take precautions. If  they manage to steal your car,  its better they dont also know your address. If they are just after the car  its probably unlikely they will drive to your house  . Why take the risk of being spotted by neighbours in your car   when there are lots of other unoccupied houses to chose from at leisure .  But its much more likely if  they also get your house keys at the same time.    .    I this happens, maybe due to a car jacking, its probably best to tell the police of your concerns for the house  and change the house locks asap.

Thieves interested primarily in your particular make of car may break in to your house to steal  the car keys.  (assuming they cant scan them from outside because you've left  the keys transmitting) 

At one time we were warned not to have  name and address showing  on baggage at airports etc.  But how likely is it  thieves will read this, then travel miles to your address in the off chance its unoccupied and worth their effort.   They dont really need for you to be away for weeks.  But it could happen so keep the address hidden. 

But you can never say never.  I shall take all possible precautions with the house and car security  ,  but will try not to  get too paranoid about it. 
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 23, 2022, 03:59:01 PM
I think it's the likelihood that they may have your car key fob with house key also attached.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: ColinS on November 23, 2022, 04:05:32 PM
I understand that it's a bad idea to have a 'Home' location set on your Satnav. This is because if someone steals the car while you are away from home they know that you are not there so they or their mates can safely burgle you. I have home set but named it something unrelated.

This recommendation dates back years when people mainly had removable devices and were advised to take it with them rather than leaving it in the car to get stolen.  It is far easier to lose a device than a whole car.  Let's not be paranoid.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Lord Voltermore on November 23, 2022, 05:11:35 PM
I can see the danger that you might lose your car keys, with house keys attached. Bag etc.   A criminal either finds it  ,or stole it,  and can then blip their way round a car park until they find your car.  The honda logo on the key maybe aids them.  Possibly some will be clever enough to realise that if they have your address  they could  drive there,and enter using keys   before anyone realises a problem.    So certainly , try to keep car keys and house keys  as separate as possible, and dont make it easy for them to find your address. 

Not a new problem solely due to sat nav home address.  As others have pointed out many have long kept  paperwork in the car that  can identify them . 
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 23, 2022, 08:44:46 PM
Been on to Garmin about our development of four roads missing on latest Europe map. They sent me this to fill in.

Please follow the instructions in this link to create a map error report - Reporting Map Errors on Automotive Devices

https://support.garmin.com/en-GB/?faq=pJLZBzPen9A7OXw5vlRyu5&searchQuery=map%20error

Kind regards,
Joshua
Garmin Europe

Update - Link no use so told Garmin to fill in any form.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 24, 2022, 03:45:53 AM
Garmin seem to be slowing down on map updates.

I know the built in map update is only yearly but their standalone devices used to be updated 4 times a year. My standalone Garmin, on the latest NTU mapping,  hasn't been updated since May.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Lord Voltermore on November 24, 2022, 07:11:59 AM
Garmin seem to be slowing down on map updates.

Garmin  and one or two others used to have a virtual monopoly on gps devices  with a large income to finance mapping. I suspect that the increasing number of alternatives, some of them free , has hit them badly  They have diversified into other technology such as dashcams,fitness trackers etc  , but  also  by getting maps updated in relatively low wage  developing Economies.   Such as China.    Which brings an additional problem.  China has been badly affected by harsh  Covid lockdowns which may have affected their output,especially if it cant be done working from home.  .  Alternative providers may have more global diversity in their updating staff.    It may be a temporary problem for Garmin.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 24, 2022, 11:07:20 AM
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Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: guest9236 on November 25, 2022, 01:52:34 PM
Can someone with a new car in last few months enter my postcode TN21 0GA (that’s zero not O) into their Sat Nav to see if it works?. Can we find out what version on the Garmin?.

Works on my stand alone Garmin Drive 51LMT-S Sat Nav with Lifetime Map Updates, UK & Republic of Ireland

no problem.not sure of version but I Updated it on computer about  3weeks ago
Hope this helps.
Sorry I forgot to say the update completely reloaded the Sat Nav with the new maps firstly deleting the old one. If you interrogate the Garmin web site this should supply the latest version details.





 
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 25, 2022, 02:55:08 PM
My Garmin DS61 is showing no new maps, still on 2023.10

Must be imminent though.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Geoff_W on November 25, 2022, 03:55:51 PM
My Crosstar's satnav has started to prompt me to update. My current map is 2022.10, so is there a new version out?
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 25, 2022, 04:07:38 PM
I think they give a timed prompt whether there's one available or not.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 26, 2022, 06:38:21 AM
But I've already got 2022.10 installed !!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/s83cqEW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eWwu7t9.jpg)

Just to be doubly sure I went out and reloaded my USB stick. Then using KDiff3 the only difference is :

Old :

  <CreationTimeUTC>1641635406899</CreationTimeUTC>
   <Volume Name="gdxml" Id="1044039802" Free_space="22082719744" Permissions="1"/>

New:

   <CreationTimeUTC>1669446812710</CreationTimeUTC>
   <Volume Name="gdxml" Id="1044039802" Free_space="22082715648" Permissions="1"/>

The rest of the XML file is identical and all the way through the file in numerous places is :

<Major>2022</Major>
    <Minor>10</Minor>
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Lord Voltermore on November 26, 2022, 07:51:25 AM
I assume this means its essentially identical.  I thought they might slip in the odd essential  bug fix or map amendment as a freebie  on more recent uploads of the same version, without advertising it as a new version.  Seemingly not.    Obvious really if you think about it. They would need to record a change of version    even if its a free revision outside the updates that have been paid for. 
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 26, 2022, 10:31:09 AM
"Use Current Location' took me home on a recent outing to my garage where I set it.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on November 29, 2022, 01:39:38 PM
Garmin support finally said the latest map version is 2023.20
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on November 29, 2022, 02:12:51 PM
Not according to Garmin Express as I'm still being offered 2022.10 and my DS61 is on 2023.10 with no update.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: 5thcivic on November 29, 2022, 08:42:59 PM
My Express is 22.10 for both Jazz and E
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: JJazz on December 03, 2022, 06:29:35 PM
I dug out my old 1490T with Lifetime and updated 2023.10
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on December 04, 2022, 04:27:15 AM
Garmin support finally said the latest map version is 2023.20

Garmin support are useless. They appear to read from cue cards that are often way off the mark.

A few years ago the digital traffic stopped working. Garmin were called and after a conversation they wanted the unit sending back for investigation and possible replacement as they knew of no issues.

After my investigation via the DS61 developers menu I found that the TPEG signal wasn't being received and further investigation found that Digital UK did have a problem in the south.

I waited and after a few days all back to normal. What that did prove was that the Garmin did not switch from digital to TMC via radio as per the manual. I watched the receiver roll round all frequencies, both digital and analogue and find nothing.

At the moment, Honda is on 2022.10 and standalones are on 2023.10
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on December 31, 2022, 06:54:35 AM
From what I understand the latest HRV and Civic are no longer using Garmin but Here.

So does that mean Garmin have pushed Honda down the list for map updates as Garmin may no longer be receiving any funds from Honda UK ?

The last 2022.10 was issued around 3rd Dec 2021 so it's over a year.

2023.10 on standalone Garmins was around the 19th Jun 2022.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: nowster on December 31, 2022, 12:39:43 PM
Garmin support are useless. They appear to read from cue cards that are often way off the mark.

They're not that great for sports watches, either. Their default response for software bugs is:

1. Factory reset
2. Swap the watch for a refurb.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Wonder on January 01, 2023, 07:33:52 PM
Hello and Happy New Year to all,
the navigator of the Jazz warned me of a new update,
currently the map is 2022.10,
I went to download the new map on Garmin Express and the proposed map is the same one I already have!?
Just to test I took an empty 16gb usb stick formatted FAT32,
I inserted the key into the navigator and downloaded the data,
I put the key in the PC and I downloaded the "new" map,
I loaded the "new" map into the navigator then
I formatted the drive again to FAT32,
I went back to the navigator again and downloaded the data again,
i reinserted the USB stick into the PC and the Garmin Express program said again that there is an update but it keeps reproducing the 2022.10 map.
Where is the error what is not working!?
Thanks everyone for the replies and again
Happy New Year
(Sorry for the mistakes I used Google Translate)
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 02, 2023, 04:13:40 AM
I'm glad I use Android Auto Google Maps.

It does look like Garmin are becoming very slow on all device map updates. Not that long ago my DS61 was getting 4 updates a year. Last year it had 2.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: peteo48 on January 02, 2023, 01:16:53 PM
I'm thinking of using my phone in future. Not keen on having a mount though. To be fair I rarely look at the sat nav just slavishly following the sat nav lady.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 02, 2023, 01:41:27 PM
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=13618.msg107090#msg107090

I like my phone held firm, powered and available at a glance. I use Speedtrap Alert and that shows my GPS speed and my average speed for Specs zones.

The Brod8t dash clip was useless but my design is still AOK and solid, plus the wires are hidden.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 05, 2023, 04:00:39 AM
I'm currently downloading map 2023.20 for my standalone DS61, arrived overnight.

Maybe a Honda map in the pipeline ?
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: R2D3 on January 05, 2023, 09:14:40 AM
It's not just SatNavs that become out of date, the same is true of our roads...
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 16, 2023, 11:21:57 AM
Garmin Express has been offering me a map update for a few months now.

According to the car I have 2022.10 and the update is 2022.10 !!!

So just for the sake of it I played it's games, downloaded the update and presented it to the car.

Just before the final OK the display said :

Current Maps 1
Available Maps 2022.10

Last time the progress bar went to 140% before rolling back to 100% when finished. This time it went to 280% !
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Terryp on January 16, 2023, 03:23:18 PM
I’ll just stick with my trusty Tom Tom which gives me live traffic and live speed cameras, including ones just being set up. Real shame as one of the reasons I ordered the new xstar was to use an integrated map system.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 16, 2023, 03:26:44 PM
I don't use the Garmin either, Android Auto Google Maps for me.

I was just intrigued why it was offering me the same version I already have installed.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: 5thcivic on January 16, 2023, 05:39:41 PM
Thanks for the info, I keep getting a flag in Garmin Express for both the Jazz and the E and the same 22 map shown, so far done nothing, I almost started a post saying the Jan update must ssshurely be coming soon?
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 17, 2023, 05:12:22 AM
Garmin have very recently offered the 2023.20 for their standalone units but nothing for the Honda.

My 'guess' is that now Honda are using Here mapping for the latest cars Garmin have got the hump.

The current issue was with that "1" identifier but where that was stored I don't know. When I downloaded the starter file from  car to USB that clearly showed 2022.10
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: peteo48 on January 17, 2023, 01:29:05 PM
I’ll just stick with my trusty Tom Tom which gives me live traffic and live speed cameras, including ones just being set up. Real shame as one of the reasons I ordered the new xstar was to use an integrated map system.

I sold mine on Ebay - big mistake. Easy if time consuming to update, easy to clip on to the windscreen with the suction pad, traffic updates etc etc.

I updated the maps on the inbuilt satnav on my Mk3 but by any stretch of the imagination this was monumentally complex and it took hours to the point where I thought if I bung somebody £100 would they do it for me (£140 at the main dealer). I've forgotten how to do it so would have to learn all over again. Just by the by they reckon almost one in three people in the UK are digitally illiterate (on the news yesterday in relation to making people go on line to deal with their GP).

I am not alone. The young guy who runs the High Peak Autos You Tube channel is an avowed tech hater. The problem with these clever people who design this crap is they assume the rest of the population have similar levels of IQ - it's why life gets more complicated with every passing day and the concept of "user friendliness" is as outdated as Noah's Ark. Don't get me started on voice controls! Only Amazon Alexa comes close to where these need to be.

Anyway, the saving grace for me is that I rarely go anywhere I haven't been before.

Rant over.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 17, 2023, 01:43:44 PM
I'm glad I held onto my Garmin DS61.

Once you plot a route it has a sidebar that shows yellow and red traffic warnings for your entire route. The latest Garmin's, like Google Maps, gives you alerts but doesn't show you, on the screen, anything more than what's visible.

I'm a tech geek having spent decades working with PC's from analyst programmer (COBOL, Visual Basic, VB.Net) to systems support.

I don't like or use voice on my phone or tablet, or car, but I do use a Google Nest Mini, in a separate room so it's not able to constantly listen in, you never know.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: peteo48 on January 17, 2023, 03:21:05 PM
I need to borrow your brain for a day or two ;D
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 17, 2023, 03:44:37 PM
I've sorted out quite a few PC's via TeamViewer.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 17, 2023, 03:58:31 PM
One of my programs takes the PocketGPSWorld CSV database and converts it to GPX whilst performing some user set tweaks along the way to customise how the alerts work.

On a Garmin PND the standard CSV file produces an alert 36 seconds before the camera. The Garmin also does not issue a warning if you are below the speed and not accelerating. Most users want a warning for all cameras regardless.

Hence :

(https://i.imgur.com/eYWcxTH.jpg)
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 24, 2023, 04:37:36 AM
Friend has a 10G Civic and he's been able to update his maps to 2023.10 for a while now.

I wonder if we will ever get another update now Honda have gone back to Here, formerly Navteq.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: 5thcivic on January 24, 2023, 04:09:23 PM
Were not the 5 updates part of the contract buying the car?
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on January 25, 2023, 02:07:31 PM
Yep, sure was, but so far we are well behind other Garmin devices.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on February 02, 2023, 06:00:57 AM
It's now 15 months since the last Jazz Garmin update.

I'm beginning to think that, just like my 9G Civic, we now have what we have and that's it.

Garmin have been dropped by Honda in favour of 'Here' formally Navteq, so that's that.

Google Maps is the answer now.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: 5thcivic on February 02, 2023, 09:26:22 PM
Worth asking the dealer?
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Geoff_W on February 07, 2023, 05:21:29 PM
But the Satnav still keeps insisting there's a map update available and I'm getting annoyed by the jangly sound it plays when it shows the message!
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on February 07, 2023, 05:29:58 PM
Yes, there's a bug on the head unit that reverts the installed map to just "1" so when Garmin Express sees 2022.10, even though that's what installed, it prompts for an available update.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on February 10, 2023, 07:46:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/iE0bZj3.jpg)
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: 5thcivic on February 10, 2023, 01:08:29 PM
At last!
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: angelicum on February 11, 2023, 03:49:05 PM
Be careful, the update does not work, the same thing happens to it as 1 year ago, you cannot write addresses and the browser restarts
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on February 14, 2023, 07:11:25 AM
Same here.

"Where To"

Type in first letter and you get the spinning wheel of death until it eventually crashes.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kenneve on February 14, 2023, 10:16:42 AM
Mine is the same, can only type the first letter of the destination postcode, then it won’t accept any further input.
It was fine before this last update.
Due for annual service shortly, so will get the dealer to look at it, also update any safety issues (front camera etc)
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on February 14, 2023, 10:23:35 AM
I'm reliably told this looks similar to the issue reported in the previous version, as already posted.

It has been reported to Garmin via 2 methods.

I doubt the dealer will have any info at this stage.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: BROC on February 14, 2023, 05:26:34 PM
Just checked mine (EX 2022 ) on Garmin Express and it looks like the latest update may have been withdrawn.

My car has 2022.10 installed and Garmin Express says  no updates available  and says BEV Europe 2022.10 installed
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: angelicum on February 14, 2023, 06:27:07 PM
I'm reliably told this looks similar to the issue reported in the previous version, as already posted.

It has been reported to Garmin via 2 methods.

I doubt the dealer will have any info at this stage.

Look, I was one of those affected by this problem, and it is exactly the same as what is happening now, the solution was a new update that came out a month, month and a half
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on February 15, 2023, 04:32:49 AM
Garmin are aware so a waiting game. Maybe the same fix as last time so maybe quicker.

Android Auto Google Maps is my navigation choice so I can wait.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: 5thcivic on February 15, 2023, 08:03:49 PM
Didn't they fix it reasonably soon last year? But not change the file name or add a suffix? which really is naughty!
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on February 16, 2023, 04:46:20 AM
Hopefully I'll get a nudge when it is updated and I'll check and post.
Title: Re: Sat Nav out of date
Post by: Kremmen on February 16, 2023, 05:10:20 PM
Initially I reported the issue to Garmin UK via their online form.

Their reply has just been, reinstall it and if it's still broken contact your dealer.

Garmin's software but they're offloading the problem rather than wanting to get involved. It was the same a few years ago when they broke their TPEG digital traffic system. They weren't initially interested until they presumably got hundreds of reports about no traffic on standalone units.

Fortunately this issue is in hand via another route.