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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: Ed the Jazz on June 08, 2022, 11:03:50 PM
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Just had to change all 4 tyres only 2016 Jazz S CVT at 32000 miles. Tread was fine but side walls were crazing and splitting on the original Michelin Energy's 185/60R15. Went for 185/60R15 Michelin Crossclimate 2 and am running 34 front 33 back. Wow super improvement on ride quality, handling and lack of noise. Car is more like a limo than a jazz. Tyres are not cheap but certainly worth every penny.
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Just had to change all 4 tyres only 2016 Jazz S CVT at 32000 miles. Tread was fine but side walls were crazing and splitting on the original Michelin Energy's 185/60R15. Went for 185/60R15 Michelin Crossclimate 2 and am running 34 front 33 back. Wow super improvement on ride quality, handling and lack of noise. Car is more like a limo than a jazz. Tyres are not cheap but certainly worth every penny.
Great choice! Had Crossclimate's on my old Nissan Qashqai. They have remarkable longevity, perform flawlessly in winter and, as you say, actually improve ride comfort. Well-worth the extra cost!
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I've recently had a set of Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen3 tyres put on my Yaris. The refinement and ride comfort is very good, way better than the mix of Avon and Chinese things which were on it. Obviously can't comment on cold/snow etc, (mind you, it is still only June, anything could happen).
At my current use rate I doubt I'll ever wear out the OE Michelins on the Jazz, but if we are still able/allowed to drive petrol cars when the time comes (and I'm still fit to drive) I'd certainly put some form of all-season tyres on it. ;D
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I've recently had a set of Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen3 tyres put on my Yaris. The refinement and ride comfort is very good, way better than the mix of Avon and Chinese things which were on it. Obviously can't comment on cold/snow etc, (mind you, it is still only June, anything could happen).
Never say never. the attached photo was taken on the Gottard Pass in Switzerland in June 2019.
The Yaris was fitted with Goodyear Vector 4 Season gen 2. Superior in every way to the Pirelli Cinurato P6 summer tyres they replaced (the pirelli still had 6 mm tread) Better in summer, and not even in the same ball park in winter - Limpet vs ice hockey puck.
Over the years I have driven in snow in June July and August. Winter legal all season tyres ,and a set of snow chains, suits my peculiar needs better than separate summer and winter tyres, and having to decide which would be best for the current season and location. :-\
I have recently bought a set of Vector 4 season Gen 3 ,fitted to after market alloys for my Mk4 (happy to buy the newer tyre version of the devil I know). Not driven on them yet, as I want to get some more wear out of my original wheels and summer tyres.
A second set of wheels is a bit drastic for most, but Folks if you need new tyres I dont think you will be disappointed with a decent brand of all seasons for all year round use. . They are a world away from the so called 'all season' tyres available a few years ago
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...Never say never. the attached photo was taken on the Gottard Pass in Switzerland in June 2019. ...
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Yep, I've been in a snow shower on 1st July when crossing an Aline pass on a motorbike trip. Up there it can happen any day of the year.
Not quite the same here in leafy Warwickshire, chances are we won't see any snow at all, last winter I think we had 2 days when we got a thin sprinkling which lasted a few hours.
I worked in Austria for a bit, and you knew within a week or so when the snow would start. Winter tyre season would be announced, typically first week of December IIRC.
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I have photographs taken in Burntisland (Fife) one June when a sudden heavy snowfall occurred. It didn't lie for long, but while it did it was a couple of inches thick.
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In Germany you must have tyres suitable for the current weather conditions, regardless of the date. So if it suddenly snows in July those on summer tyres should stop driving immediately and park until conditions improve. ???. Increasingly likely in spring and autumn.
This legislation prompted the rapid development and improvement of all season tyres, suitable for 130 mph on the autobahn in the summer,but also winter conditions typical of central europe. (In nordic countries etc ,proper winter tyres are adviseable, but these are unsuitable for summer) Incredibly Iceland has no legal requirement for winter tyres ,but in reality without them you would be in deep (erm) snow with your insurers. >:(
This legistlation does not apply to the UK of course, and those of us who can pick and chose which weather to drive in might not need to rush to buy all season tyres.
But its the weather and road conditions that affects your ability to stop ,steer , or ineed get any traction at all.Not legislation. Personally I think anyone needing to replace their summer tyres would be daft not to consider all seasons.
I loved my Goodyear Vectors, Michelin crossclimates are well thought of , as are Vredsteins .
I have experience of much cheaper all seasons on another car. (Kumho Solus) They are more than adequate, but a bit 'squeally' when making tight turns on smooth tarmac (such as multi storey car parks) and I didnt think they climbed a steep muddy track quite as well as the Goodyears would have done ,although it was a different car. Summer tyres would have stood no chance ! On the plus side the Kumho are quiet, comfortable ride , wear well, and still perform at least as well in the summer as many budget brand summer tyres (and a few premium ones)
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We've just put four CrossClimates on our 2016 CR-V and the difference in road noise and ride quality is astonishing! it's good to hear they make a difference on the Jazz too as I'll need to get some in the future due to the factory Dunlops cracking badly :(
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Remember to change your tyres at 10 years, whether they are worn or not.
The rubber dries out they crack and don't perform as they should, also more susceptible to blowouts.
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10 years old is an mot failure if the vehicle has 8 or more seats. Seems they are happy for you to have a blow out on the motorway if only 5 people are at risk
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Remember to change your tyres at 10 years, whether they are worn or not.
The rubber dries out they crack and don't perform as they should, also more susceptible to blowouts.
I disagree. Of course the compound is ageing and degrading the performance, but if there is enough tread and no deep cracks on tread it is perfectly suitable and safe for use for 20 years. Risk of blowout is negligible in steel belted radial tubeless tyres. In my opinion 20 year old Michelin or Goodyear is better and safer tyre than a new Chinese cheap c..p tyre.
I have driven many sets of tyres over 25 years old and the end of life damage has always been belt damage causing bulge on tread. And that's very easy to feel on steering wheel at low speed.
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I've had my crossclimates on for 25K. Still have 4mm+ on all. Excellent tyres. Good grip a smooth and quiet ride. Costco often does offers on Michelins.
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Remember to change your tyres at 10 years, whether they are worn or not.
The rubber dries out they crack and don't perform as they should, also more susceptible to blowouts.
I disagree. Of course the compound is ageing and degrading the performance, but if there is enough tread and no deep cracks on tread it is perfectly suitable and safe for use for 20 years. Risk of blowout is negligible in steel belted radial tubeless tyres. In my opinion 20 year old Michelin or Goodyear is better and safer tyre than a new Chinese cheap c..p tyre.
I have driven many sets of tyres over 25 years old and the end of life damage has always been belt damage causing bulge on tread. And that's very easy to feel on steering wheel at low speed.
No offence , but maybe things are different in Finland. The weather , the predominant types of roads , the amount of sun at certain times of year , tyres typically being put into storage for half of each year , and more likely to have both their inner and outer walls examined closely twice a year at tyre/wheel swop time.
Some tyres last better than others. Take a look at the photos on this kwik fit web page. :o Extreme examples maybe,and they have a commercial interest in selling more tyres , but someone had them on their car.
https://www.kwik-fit.com/blog/why-are-my-tyres-cracking
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Your are right, there are some differences in operational environment and profile. But annual examining of the tyres is very questionable in practise. Especially because side wall cracking often becomes visible only when the tyre is deflated, like in the kwik-fit picures.
In Finland the relevant criteria regarding tyres in annual inspection (vs UK MOT) is "apparent risk of failure", and side wall cracking is not automatically rejection criteria in annual inspection (MOT), only if cord layers are visible.
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The UK mot is also quite forgiving with regard to cracking tyres, as long as the cord structure is not exposed.
If anyone is interested in the detail here is the relevant section of the official MOT testers manual
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/5-axles-wheels-tyres-and-suspension#section-5-2-3
I have in the past used tyres with some micro cracking. You can also get this at the bottom of tread grooves as well as on side walls.. It may not necessarily be dangerous but it does indicate some deterioration that I'd rather not have , especially at motorway speeds at extreme temperatures.
That said my biggest narrow escape with tyres was due to a bad side wall bulge that formed suddenly . There was no visible signs of damage ,or cracking, when I started the journey .But as you say when the bulge formed I could feel it in the steering. ,Fortunately I suspected the reason and stopped in time. (It was actually on a hire car. A previous driver may have caused hidden structural damage by hitting a pothole/kerb.)
It may help others to be aware that you can get similar sudden wheel balance/tyre thumping issues if a balancing weight drops off, or the wheel gets a build up of mud. But you should assume its tyre damage and stop urgently to check for damage/bulges etc. -and check the hidden inner side walls as well as the visible ones.
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Yes, I fully agree that mechanical damage on sidewall can be quite nasty and the bulge can appear very quickly! Or the tyre can deflate rather quickly if damage is one degree worse. I've once got tyre completely deflated within couple on hundreds of meters when driving into pothole in a dark country road. Then I needed to get the spare wheel mounted on the road well after midnight. I had only car's lights. Luckily it was not raining.
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Following comments seen on here I also changed all my Jazz tyres to Michelin Crossclimate 2. I didn't expect the amazing difference in both ride and silence. Thanks everyone.
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I have just fitted a set of 15" rims with Goodyear vector gen 3 all seasons , to my Mk4. Replacing 16" original wheels on Yokohama Blue earth summer tyres. (The reason is a long story )
They are quieter and more comfortable, but I wouldn't call it the amazing difference reported by some for Cross climates. It may be my perceptions differ, or the blue earths relatively better than some summer tyres. And ride differs between mk3 and mk4. Also I have only done a few miles so far and the Vectors are still quiet stiff. They should improve further with use whereas the Bluearths are as good as they will ever be. And all season tyres remain more flexible in cold weather.
I still expect to be very happy with the Goodyears,. They are after all quieter and more comfortable than the summer originals, with additional advantages. But next time I might give Crossclimates a try ;)
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The tyres on my car (2015 Mk3) have finally reached the point where they need replacing, after 7 years and 39k miles. They're the original Michelin Energy Saver 185/60 R15 84H (which is the only tyre size and rating specified in the car handbook). I want to replace all four with Michelin Crossclimate 2’s. My local tyre fitter's website lists two versions of that tyre:
• 84H priced at £101.52
• 88V priced at £93.34
It seems odd that the tyre with the higher weight index and speed rating is cheaper, but I guess that's to do with supply and demand.
Obviously it's tempting to go for the cheaper tyre with the higher load index and speed rating. But would that cause any issues, eg with insurance noting it's not listed in the handbook? Or indeed might that cause any other problems? Which one did the other CC2 users pick?
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I don't think it matters which one you select, they are both legal or the tyre fitters would not offer them.
Just had Crossclimate 2’s fitted to my HR-V and I went for the W rating. The fitter told me that all ambulances in England now have them fitted, so they must be good :)
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I think , as you say, the price depends on stock availability. I think for insurance purposes its better not to go under the load/speed rating recommended in the handbook. But its unlikely to be a problem exceeding it.
But to take the examples you give 84H means its rated for a speed of 130 mph and a load of 500 kg per tyre - ie a total of weight 2 tonnes for the car and contents. Both are well above whats possible or likely for a Jazz.
88V is rated for a top speed of 149 mph (dream on ) and a total load of 560 kg per tyre . (2240 kg in total)
If price is not a factor there is an arguement for going for the better rated one - no problem having a bit in reserve. But it might mean that the tyre walls and construction is slightly stiffer,which might slightly affect things such as rolling resistance, noise, fuel consumption,comfort etc. But not sure if it would be for the better or worse. Personally I'd go for the 88V's and save myself a few quid. If it were the 84H that were £32 cheaper I'd buy those ;)
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I‘ve just replaced my original rear Michelin ES tyres with Michelin primacy 4, and they fitted 88H’s for £94 each, a lot more expensive than the front ones two years ago (£67 I think - they were 84 H’s). The rears still had more than legal tread after 56,000 miles, but were not holding the pressure, perhaps due to some cracking. They were made in 2015. I probably should have rotated them, but life’s too short to waste it sitting in a tyre fitters’ waiting room!