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Car just won't start
« on: December 28, 2014, 12:00:43 PM »
Hi guys!

New to the forum, but have an issue with my wife's Jazz hope you can help!

2004 1.4 jazz. 112k miles, full history serviced not long ago.

On the 23rd December my wife went to the shops. Parked up left in gear, turned the engine off. She then realised she left something at home so put the key back in and started it up forgetting its in gear and stalled.

As she tried to start the car again out of gear...the car wouldn't start.

The dashboard all lights up like normal but nothing no ticking to say it's trying no fuel pump nothing. Just the electrics work.

I tried putting it in gear rocking back and forth still doesn't work.

Left it for an hour or so and tried to start it same thing.

Called the AA and they had a look tapped the solenoid no change, checked all fuses in a the engine bay and the cabin all fine. Battery is new and he did a test on that was fine.

Any ideas? He mentioned something about the inertia switch? Found it on the front passenger side but still nothing...

It's currently sat outside my house looking sorry for itself.

Anyone experienced this?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2014, 12:52:55 PM »
hi andyam

the exact same thing happened to me with my 1.4 2 weeks ago.

it turned out to be my battery in that there wasn't enough 'cranking amps'  - enough power to turn over the car  in cold conditions - despite it passing a battery test previously.

i replaced the battery with a brand new one and hey presto problem stopped..

i know you said that the battery is new - (how new?)- id check out your battery cranking amps first, it may be a faulty battery and you can then exchange it for a new one..

or check out this link re inertia switch http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=4874.0

hope you get sorted soon

fatlad
« Last Edit: December 28, 2014, 12:54:54 PM by fatlad »
'deny everything Baldrick'

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2014, 01:04:00 PM »
The battery is a few months old.
How do I check the cranking amps?
Cheers!

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2014, 01:07:43 PM »
your battery retailer should be able to check it out

you'll have to bump start car first though or use or use jump leads

have a look at link to fuel cut off

hope this helps
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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2014, 01:08:24 PM »
Yeh aa tried to bump start and also jump start with leads but nothing

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2014, 01:59:34 PM »
Presumably the engine isn't turning over when attempting to start it so it looks like you have got to try a new battery.
They do fail even if not very old, you may have a duff one.
The extra current surge demanded while trying to start the car in gear may have been enough to knacker an already weak cell but still leave enough juice to light up the dash display. What happens when you put the headlights on ?

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2014, 02:06:21 PM »
Headlights are fine when I put hem on and try and start no dimming or anything

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2014, 02:32:58 PM »
Check the fuse for the starter circuit.  If nothing occurs when you turn the key to the "start" position, then no voltage is reaching the starter solenoid

There is aso a possiibilty that a lead might have come off the solenoid supply

This is confirmed that the headlights do not dim, ie nothing is drawing current

You can also remove and replace the battery lead, to restart the computer (just like Windows)
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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2014, 02:33:59 PM »
Where is the fuse for the starter circuit? Sorry and where is the solenoid? Thanks

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2014, 02:36:20 PM »
I'm not sure about the position of the fuse, but this occurred in daughter's Golf. 

The solenoid is adjacent to (or on top of) the starter motor.  It is a mechanical relay that switches current to the starter motor to make it go.  There is usually a thickish lead attaching to it.
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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2014, 02:43:07 PM »
So I had a look at the inertia switch pushed down...nothing....

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2014, 02:43:59 PM »
Removed the battery also when the aa was about left it for 5-10mins before reconnecting

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2014, 02:55:50 PM »
It seems you have a real problem.  A starting circuit should be so simple.  When you turn on the ignition, it powers up the ignition circuits and when you turn it one step further, it sends 12 volts down to the solenoid which activates the starter.

To diagnose where the problem is, you need a meter and might also have to do some surgery.  With a meter capable of measuring 12 VDC, place the negative on a body or engine part and hold the positive to the input (a thinner) cable of the solenoid.  Then have an assistant turn the key to the start position. 

Voltage?  Yes means the solenoid is faulty.  No means that the supply from the switch is missing.  This may be the actual supply  to the ignition switch (a fuse) or if this is ok, the actual switch itself.  The surgery involves accessing the switch, identifying which cables are the 1) supply in, 2) auxiliary out, 3) ignition out, 4) starter.  This can be ultra fiddly since you need to take off the plastic housing around the steering column when you will be confronted by a mass of wires going to lights, hooter, wiper, etc

An ignition switch consists of 2 parts.  The cylinder into which you insert the key and underneath, a plastic part which contains the switching components

As with all faults, car, fridge or wife, try the simple things first before going for an open heart op
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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2014, 03:01:56 PM »
Reading your first post again, I am 99% certain you have a dodgy connection for the power to the solenoid, caused by the engine jerking as it was started whilst in gear

I think this is where you should look.
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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2014, 03:08:27 PM »
Thank Chris. Now to find the solenoid on the jazz -.-'

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