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Title: Car still running after being locked...?
Post by: Victor Delta on March 28, 2023, 06:35:20 PM
A funny thing happened the other day. My wife, who is not at all absent minded, returned home in our Jazz Hybrid and, as usual, put the gear lever into P and applied the parking brake. She then thought she had pushed the power button off (the engine was silent), got out of the car and locked it.

However, an hour later when it got dark the automatic car headlamps came on and we realised the engine was running.

So we presume the car had actually not been powered off as normal and, because it was in EV mode at the time, there was no noise. However, what amazes me is that when the car door was opened it did not sound a warning alert, and that it was possible to lock the car with, in effect, the engine running. Surely neither of these things should be possible?

Has anyone else experienced this, or have any ideas on how to prevent it happening (other than divorce!)?

Thanks.
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Post by: tfw7 on March 28, 2023, 06:43:08 PM
mine beeps at me....could she have walked away and not noticed?
Title: Re: Car still running after being locked...?
Post by: Victor Delta on March 28, 2023, 06:51:46 PM
That’s what I would have expected. However, I tested ours and it doesn’t.
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Post by: Derkie54 on March 28, 2023, 07:27:57 PM
I've forgot to switch off on a couple of occasions and when I tried to lock the car it beeped at me both times.
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Post by: Dasat on March 28, 2023, 08:39:21 PM
The same has happened to me too. I parked my Jazz in IKEA, I thought I had shut it off and locked it. If it did beep I didn't hear it due to the nearby motorway. But looking out of the restaurant window I could see the headlights were on and the wipers intermittently wiping the window. I raced out of the store to find the engine running. I have been careful to make sure I do not repeat such a mistake.
Title: Re: Car still running after being locked...?
Post by: Victor Delta on March 28, 2023, 10:36:23 PM
Thanks. That’s really interesting to hear. I think I’ll do some further tests and then speak to our dealer’s service manager. Is there any other way to report such issues to Honda?
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Post by: Kremmen on March 29, 2023, 04:40:33 AM
I've nearly done that a couple of times but my on dash Garmin and my phone in charging holder both power down when I turn off.

The Garmin is the first to show the power loss message so I realised immediately I'd done something wrong. In my case I'd pressed the power button without being in P.
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Post by: aphybrid on March 29, 2023, 07:01:20 AM
If I walk away from car whils ot is running and have the keys with me it makes several loud beeps - is this designed to stop me not locking whilst leaving car?
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Post by: ColinB on March 29, 2023, 07:29:57 AM
If I walk away from car whils ot is running and have the keys with me it makes several loud beeps - is this designed to stop me not locking whilst leaving car?

It’s to help prevent the law being broken. It’s illegal to leave a car unattended with the engine running on a public highway (although that particular law hasn’t yet caught up with the advent of hybrids where the car’s powered up but the engine isn’t necessarily running). The car doesn’t know if there’s anyone else in the car or whether it’s on a public road, so you’re getting a warning. And I suspect your insurance company would take a dim view of leaving a car unlocked.
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Post by: Nicksey on March 29, 2023, 07:49:22 AM
Its a common thing with keyless cars. Not had it with the Jazz, but did a few times with my first keyless Renault. Like the Jazz, they beeped if you did it.
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Post by: John Ratsey on March 29, 2023, 08:24:31 AM
Is one problem that if you've got out of the car and shut the door then you won't hear the beeper?
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Post by: Jazzik on March 29, 2023, 09:06:33 AM
If you don't hear our Jazz beep in that situation, you urgently need a hearing aid!(https://em-content.zobj.net/thumbs/120/sony/336/ear-with-hearing-aid_1f9bb.png)
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Post by: Marco1979 on March 29, 2023, 09:13:47 AM
Strange! I sometimes pick up my wife, leave the car 'running' in P, unlock seatbelt, get out with the key in my pocket and open the boot. No beeps at all :o. Get in again, lock seatbelt, put it in D and off we go.

Maybe it has to do with the handbrake setting? Ours is set to automatic when pressing the OFF button, but brake hold is not activated. This means that when I get out of the car in the example mentioned, the handbrake is not applied, just the internal transmission lock because of P.
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Post by: Steve_M on March 29, 2023, 09:59:42 AM
Strange! I sometimes pick up my wife, leave the car 'running' in P, unlock seatbelt, get out with the key in my pocket and open the boot. No beeps at all :o. Get in again, lock seatbelt, put it in D and off we go.

You need to close the drivers door to get the reminder beep.
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Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 29, 2023, 10:21:08 AM
If I try to power off without being in P  I get a visual display on the drivers screen, and if  I  miss this and get out of the car ,it beeps.    I believe you can adjust the volume of some warning beeps. 

When leaving the car I now always check the wing mirrors are folding in. Its a useful double check that I havnt left the keys in the car.
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Post by: shufty on March 29, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
...I tried this morning and it wouldn't lock at all. Msg on the screen said key fob not present...
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Post by: embee on March 29, 2023, 11:05:21 AM
Oh for the days when you could get in a car, put the key in, start it, drive, stop, turn it off, get out, lock, and walk away.
Now you need to go on a training course just to know how to get out of the car.

Progress?

(yours truly, Joe Luddite  :D )

"Just because you can doesn't mean you should", manufacturers please take note.
Title: Re: Car still running after being locked...?
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 29, 2023, 12:45:31 PM
Its getting increasingly difficult to live without having, and being able to work,  a smartphone  . Pay and display parking  machines being replaced with phone payment etc.     Its probably inevitable cars will increasing expect users to be tech savvy and 'connected'.    Knowing you press button B to get your fourpence back doesn't suffice any more. 
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Post by: Lincolnshire Rambler on March 29, 2023, 06:22:11 PM
Ha ha pressing the B button .. the days of using a phone to actually speak to people let alone using coins to do so…!
Title: Re: Car still running after being locked...?
Post by: aphybrid on March 29, 2023, 09:06:40 PM
If I walk away from car whils ot is running and have the keys with me it makes several loud beeps - is this designed to stop me not locking whilst leaving car?

It’s to help prevent the law being broken. It’s illegal to leave a car unattended with the engine running on a public highway (although that particular law hasn’t yet caught up with the advent of hybrids where the car’s powered up but the engine isn’t necessarily running). The car doesn’t know if there’s anyone else in the car or whether it’s on a public road, so you’re getting a warning. And I suspect your insurance company would take a dim view of leaving a car unlocked.

I do not deliberatley leave car in that state, but when in driveway for instance unloading prior to garaging I have noted that beeping.
I related this fact to try and given the original query an indication a further indication of 'power' lets say instead of just engine being left on should result in a warning to prevent such an event.

I really did not want to elicit a lecture on rights/wrongs legallity or insurance repercussions.
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Post by: Terryp on March 30, 2023, 07:46:03 AM
I tried this on mine yesterday just to check, I left the engine running, got out and shut the door, it gave me the warning beeps so was ok, however the beeps themselves are not very loud so could be missed in a noisy area. Would be a better option for the car to sound the horn.
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Post by: shufty on March 30, 2023, 08:09:56 AM
I tried this on mine yesterday just to check, I left the engine running, got out and shut the door, it gave me the warning beeps so was ok, however the beeps themselves are not very loud so could be missed in a noisy area. Would be a better option for the car to sound the horn.

...Did you try and lock it though?
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Post by: Neil Ives on March 30, 2023, 10:09:44 AM
I have the door mirrors set to fold in when the car is locked. I always glance back to check that the mirrors are folded in.
Title: Re: Car still running after being locked...?
Post by: Victor Delta on April 01, 2023, 05:31:31 PM
Did some more tests today on our Jazz. With the power still on, nothing happens when you open the door and get out. When the door is closed there are 4/5 very quiet beeps (lasting 1-2 seconds, if that, in total) which could easily be inaudible in a busy street environment. The beeps seem to come from somewhere near the rear wheels. When you try to lock the car using the fob, nothing happens - the car doesn't lock, the indicator lights don't flash and there is no warning sound i.e. so nothing to alert you.

I have to say I find this very poor for a company like Honda that prides itself on safety features etc. Curiously my CR-V beeps loudly when you open the driver's door with the engine still running, which seems a much better arrangement. I wonder why they didn't stick to that on the Jazz as I would expect it to be a company standard.
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Post by: Hub1 on April 01, 2023, 07:49:07 PM
My Crosstar always beeps (quite loud IMHO) when I leave the car still switched on and it has saved me quite a few times. Have you had it checked at your dealer as it could be a repairable fault?
Title: Re: Car still running after being locked...?
Post by: Victor Delta on April 01, 2023, 08:09:26 PM
I'll get them to check it on the next service.
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Post by: Lord Voltermore on April 02, 2023, 11:18:06 AM
I've never fiddled with them but I believe you can alter some alarm bong volumes in 'settings'. 
Title: Re: Car still running after being locked...?
Post by: Jazzik on April 02, 2023, 12:11:28 PM
Of course you can fiddle the alarm "bongs". In our Jazz you can fiddle about everything!  ;D

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