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5thcivic

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2024, 01:17:05 PM »
Yes, saw it too, puts our brake simulator into some perspective.

Kremmen

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2024, 01:26:54 PM »
The BBC had it last week

I posted it under Toyota raided : https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=16809.msg143339#msg143339
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Hanszl2001

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2024, 02:33:30 PM »
From what I understand, for Honda Jazz/Fit this concerns incorrect information with specifications regarding tire noise, driving noise and non-insulation related noise.
In other words, the figures have been tampered with... Naughty Naughty  :D

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2024, 03:09:49 PM »
"...while Honda found wrongdoing in noise and output tests over a period of more than eight years to October 2017 on some two dozen models that are no longer being made."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/car-safety-scandal-rips-through-japan-s-auto-sector-brands-including-toyota-and-mazda-admit-filing-false-crash-data-are-uk-models-affected/ar-BB1nZR5M?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=3ec9d106540643588fca86c9e7a3e5f4&ei=19


From the history book!
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Kremmen

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2024, 03:30:38 PM »
How is noise related to the charge of 'safety reports'

There's more to this, another 'watch this space'
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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2024, 06:49:38 PM »
Read the article once again...
Why do I get the feeling that there are people here who like doom-mongering..?
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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2024, 04:49:55 AM »
With respect though, on the reverse, there are others who will not accept any posted problems and all Honda models are 100% problem free
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Lord Voltermore

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2024, 11:45:45 AM »
I am perhaps amongst those who have tried to defend Honda to some extent. No car is perfect , no car manufacturer is perfect.  Any manufacturing fault ,or testing 'cheat' that is revealed  has to be put in context . For instance the Jazz brake fault is disappointing,  but on any complex machine  such things occasionally happen.  Its Hondas customer care attitude to resolving the problem  that is really damaging their reputation .

I suspect all manufacturers are hiding secret failures.  Some are luckier than others  in keeping it quiet.  When The VW emission testing 'cheat' was revealed  it wasnt long before other manufacturers were found to have done similar things.   I dont recall  those who escaped any scandal  went out of their way  to embarrass their  rivals by bragging that they were squeaky clean.  They probably realised a whistle blower might later  reveal  their own  development engineers or junior managers  met the demands placed upon them by senior management and legislation  by cheating  on an inconvenient test result. Not company policy,  but stuff happens when staff have targets to meet.
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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2024, 02:46:34 PM »
Read the article once again...
Why do I get the feeling that there are people here who like doom-mongering..?

I suppose the point of a forum like this is to raise concerns. We could all talk happily about how wonderful the Jazz is, and in a lot of respects it is. I have found the drive, ease, smoothness and economy truly wonderful.. but it would be a dull forum if we all discussed only the good bits.

Lincolnshire Rambler

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2024, 12:13:49 PM »
Exactly! The forums debate peoples interests and concerns with the jazz . To be valued in my opinion which is why im happy to read everything posted , if i agree or not iím still happy people are posting.

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2024, 04:03:47 PM »
Recent experience with my Mk4 Jazz brake failure and Honda UK's rejection of my loss claim is what has knocked Honda off the high pedestal, not what I might read in the media about falsifying reports, although they are a red flag.

Taken together they create an impression of a corporate cavalier attitude that prioritises profits above customer satisfaction and loyalty.

Earlier today, Honda had the cheek to send me an unsolicited email advertising their upcoming EV range.  >:(

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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2024, 03:36:14 AM »
I've had a few of those

All pushing these SUV types that won't fit in my garage, or standard parking spaces with room to get out
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Re: Japanese manufacturers admit falsifying safety reports.
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2024, 12:01:52 PM »
Read the article once again...
Why do I get the feeling that there are people here who like doom-mongering..?

I suppose the point of a forum like this is to raise concerns. We could all talk happily about how wonderful the Jazz is, and in a lot of respects it is. I have found the drive, ease, smoothness and economy truly wonderful.. but it would be a dull forum if we all discussed only the good bits.


Without this excellent forum, I would still be oblivious, to the grinding noise, prior to its probable demise, of my near side door mirror. I may have thought thatís normal. So, off I trundle to my local dealership, who agree it needs changing. A fortnight later, itís sorted.

All we need now, is a stimulator for the simulator!

Great car.



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