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Title: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on January 16, 2022, 02:14:50 PM
The aerodynamics on the Jazz seem to cause a lot of dirt on the tailgate - more than other cars I’ve had.

This was after only a couple of motorway trips over the last few days - other cars on the road weren’t as dirty:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220116/53c6e189eeba7818eec2c91f6a7a96b5.jpg)

There is also quite a bit of buildup on the sides, but thankfully the aerodynamics mean it stops below the window line:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220116/3b9b3a5584b2570388c1ae462305ac7d.jpg)


The front also gets a lot of dirt - something I’d noticed in the summer with the number of flies.

A lot of the dirt is around where the front grill is on the crosstar, so the ‘blanking plate’ grill on the standard jazz does seem to be for the aerodynamics:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220116/fbc05e0e5dee5ad9d7d35a9356bb82dc.jpg)
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: ndavey1 on January 16, 2022, 02:21:29 PM
I’d agree with this completely. I wash my car in the Sunday, by Tuesday the rear and sides are filthy, just from 10 mins on the m25.  Drives me crackers!
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on January 16, 2022, 02:48:39 PM
Same here but red doesn't show it up as bad.

I've had white cars before, never again.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: nowster on January 16, 2022, 03:08:33 PM
I've had white cars before, never again.

Mid-grey shows the effect the least, of course.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on January 16, 2022, 03:52:09 PM
Fully agree, all my Civics were either Galaxy Grey or Urban Titanium.

Problem was, grey came with the light interior and I've had them before and they turned shabby as well.

Black interior was mandatory so it was black, white or red. Black is a nightmare to avoid swirls so red it had to be.


Just as a side note - the rear of mine is filthy but the sides are still clean(ish) I put that down to my mudflaps :)
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on January 16, 2022, 04:17:14 PM

Just as a side note - the rear of mine is filthy but the sides are still clean(ish) I put that down to my mudflaps :)

Something I noticed on mine is the rear wheels were much dirtier than the fronts, so likely mudflaps would help.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on January 16, 2022, 04:33:23 PM
They push the airflow, and dirt, outwards a bit.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: dfconnolly on January 16, 2022, 05:21:36 PM
Fully agree, all my Civics were either Galaxy Grey or Urban Titanium.

Problem was, grey came with the light interior and I've had them before and they turned shabby as well.

Black interior was mandatory so it was black, white or red. Black is a nightmare to avoid swirls so red it had to be.


Just as a side note - the rear of mine is filthy but the sides are still clean(ish) I put that down to my mudflaps :)
Agree totally, we have the Sunlight white and that is getting mucky at the back but the sides are fine…….we have the mudflaps and door protectors as part of the premium pack already fitted to the car which was a demonstrator from Warrington Holdsworth
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: John Ratsey on January 16, 2022, 08:37:35 PM
My Crosstar is surprisingly clean in comparison to the photos above. Perhaps the extra garnish helps to absorb or deflet the worst of the muck. White, if course, is the optimum worst colour for showing dirt while the sunset orange option on the Mk 3 Jazz was excellent for absorbing dirt, the extent of which I only realised when I got round to washing the car once winter was over.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Jazzik on January 16, 2022, 09:44:45 PM
I don't really care that our Premium Sunlight White Pearl looks like The Dark Side of the Moon in the winter. Mainly the tailgate and rear window do catch a lot of dirt.
So I am very happy that there is a rear wiper with washer. At least that makes it possible to see something in the rear-view mirror.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on January 17, 2022, 06:05:52 AM
With the mud flaps making a difference to the dirt on the sides, I wonder if the spoiler accessory would make a difference to the tailgate dirt?

Does anyone have one fitted?
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on January 17, 2022, 06:57:59 AM
I doubt it.

My understanding is that modern cars are computer modelled and airlow is a big factor. I wonder if the airflow is designed to 'push' the hatch to increase mpg ?

I'm purely guessing though, just tossing an idea into the pot :)


See this 'thing' on the 9G Civic. This addition took the 1.8 petrol into a lower UK road tax band via airflow :

(https://i.imgur.com/LDlDY1y.jpg)
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Worthingmike on January 17, 2022, 10:03:32 AM
Thank fully after having two black Volvo XC60 which get very dirty as soon as you have washed them. I now have a grey Honda Jazz and two trips to Scotland and back from the south cost and only gave the back window was quick wash. the car still looks reasonably clean.  It is supprising how dirty it is when you start to wash it.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Jeff15 on January 17, 2022, 01:36:10 PM
All hatchbacks are prone to getting dirty quickly but the Jazz seems to be a dirt magnet... ::)
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on January 17, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
Roll on Summer
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: shufty on January 17, 2022, 02:13:05 PM
...De-badged? embarrassed its a Jazz?  :-[ :o  ;D
Title: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on January 17, 2022, 07:15:17 PM
...De-badged? embarrassed its a Jazz?  :-[ :o  ;D
The hybrid label on a car around here just winds up other motorists , as does the Jazz badge unfortunately :(

I like the car and chose it over a Yaris hybrid but everyone I speak to thinks Jazz is for people 80+!

I debadged my Auris hybrid and actually also replaced the front and rear blue edged Toyota badges with plain ones from the non hybrid version. The Auris was covered in hybrid badges on the front wings and rear.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Jazzik on January 17, 2022, 08:32:53 PM
...and since nobody recognizes a Jazz (without badges) and nobody knows that the Jazz is only available as a hybrid, do you feel safer?

Do you live on planet earth, or...?  :o
Title: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on January 17, 2022, 09:09:48 PM
Actually nobody does know what a Jazz is around here - I have never seen a mark 4 in the car parks I use! On the roads I have seen more Ferraris than Mk4 too. In 5 months and 8000 miles I’ve seen maybe 6 or 7 mark 4s in all that time.

MG sold more cars last year than Honda, without the Jazz badge no one has any idea what it is let alone that they are all hybrids.

Jazz is completely off peoples radar.

My brother owned a mark 2 jazz - he asked me what my car was.  He had no idea it was a jazz, so the general public hasn’t a clue what they are.

I got rid of my Auris due to catalytic converter theft which is out of control here - despite paying £500+ for a cat lock and tilt alarm, the thieves don’t care and it only delays them maybe a minute more.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Expatman on January 17, 2022, 10:47:04 PM
Actually nobody does know what a Jazz is around here - I have never seen a mark 4 in the car parks I use! On the roads I have seen more Ferraris than Mk4 too. In 5 months and 8000 miles I’ve seen maybe 6 or 7 mark 4s in all that time.

MG sold more cars last year than Honda, without the Jazz badge no one has any idea what it is let alone that they are all hybrids.

Jazz is completely off peoples radar.

My brother owned a mark 2 jazz - he asked me what my car was.  He had no idea it was a jazz, so the general public hasn’t a clue what they are.

I got rid of my Auris due to catalytic converter theft which is out of control here - despite paying £500+ for a cat lock and tilt alarm, the thieves don’t care and it only delays them maybe a minute more.

Where do you live? Seems a different planet from the rest of us!
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: nowster on January 17, 2022, 10:50:09 PM
Roll on Summer

...also available in aerosol and stick forms.  :D
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Jazzik on January 18, 2022, 01:09:20 PM
...De-badged? embarrassed its a Jazz?  :-[ :o  ;D
The hybrid label on a car around here just winds up other motorists , as does the Jazz badge unfortunately :(

Yesterday I wondered if I would ever choose/buy a car (e.g. a Jazz Hybrid) and then remove all identifying marks after purchasing because I don't want to be seen in such a car... This morning after a strong coffee I had the answer to my own question:
NO, I would not buy such a car. I would buy something that the masses would accept. (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a030.gif)
But I bought a Jazz and leave all the badges in place. Not that I am exceptionally proud of the fact that I have chosen a reliable, spacious and economical car, but I am not ashamed of it either.
And that the hybrid label on a car, or the Jazz badge, could wind up other motorists (not experienced here yet) I see as their problem. I'm really not going to fix that for them by "mutilating" my Jazz!
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: peteo48 on January 18, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
Didn't debadging first come in as a way of disguising what particular model in a range you had? I thinking BMW here, I've seen a lot of debadged Beemers over the last few years.

I have noticed a bit of curiosity about my car. They see the "EV" bit and ask if I have to plug it in!
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Jazzik on January 18, 2022, 07:46:20 PM
Didn't debadging first come in as a way of disguising what particular model in a range you had? I thinking BMW here, I've seen a lot of debadged Beemers over the last few years.

You're right! Those are the BMW owners who bought a 116i (eventually 118i). Without that 116i label, the neighbours might just think it could be a 120i, 125i or even a 128ti and not the "poor mans" 3 cilinder (!!!) 116...  :P
The same goes of course for the 2 Series, the 3 Series and so on.
But mark my words: the owners of that 125i or 128ti really don't drive around without that label. Probably not the one in a 120i either...
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: R2D3 on January 18, 2022, 10:21:41 PM
Didn't debadging first come in as a way of disguising what particular model in a range you had? I thinking BMW here, I've seen a lot of debadged Beemers over the last few years.

You're right! Those are the BMW owners who bought a 116i (eventually 118i). Without that 116i label, the neighbours might just think it could be a 120i, 125i or even a 128ti and not the "poor mans" 3 cilinder (!!!) 116...  :P
The same goes of course for the 2 Series, the 3 Series and so on.
But mark my words: the owners of that 125i or 128ti really don't drive around without that label. Probably not the one in a 120i either...

My X1 was badged 1.8 but was actually a 1.5!
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Jazzik on January 18, 2022, 11:24:05 PM
My X1 was badged 1.8 but was actually a 1.5!

That's what we call "rebadging"... That's almost the opposite of debadging. ;D
The question remains why you would stick 1.8 on the back of a 1.5. (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/konfus/a015.gif)
Or do we already know the answer?
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on January 19, 2022, 07:45:26 AM
Looks best on a genuine £100,000+ AMG:

(https://thumbsnap.com/t/JhfnCA7U.jpg) (https://thumbsnap.com/JhfnCA7U)
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Jazzik on January 19, 2022, 12:50:54 PM
Sense of humor is priceless! (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/froehlich/a049.gif)
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on January 19, 2022, 01:22:38 PM
Why debadge :

(https://i.imgur.com/G1E0Uvr.jpg)
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on March 02, 2022, 05:06:06 PM
Having got fed up with constantly having to clear the rear window and side mirrors even after fairly short trips, I had a set of Honda mud guards fitted.

I’ve only had one damp trip so far, but didn’t have to wipe the rear window even once despite having the front wipers on.

The Jazz is the first car I’ve had where mud guards appear to be needed.

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Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on March 02, 2022, 05:25:23 PM
I've got the flaps but even the slightest bit of damp and the rear cops it.

The sides seem to miss the worst though.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on March 02, 2022, 05:46:34 PM
I’m hoping in heavy rain it keeps the side mirrors clearer.

I regularly have to use the heated mirrors to remove rain as it seems to collect water there.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: sportse on March 15, 2022, 06:09:14 AM
The mud flaps do help a bit on the sides.

Overall they seem to reduce the water/dirt thrown up to a finer spray that’s easier to clean off.

However, the fine spray on the rear window in heavy rain means you need to have the rear wiper on constantly to be able to see out.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on March 15, 2022, 07:33:38 AM
Fortunately I'm in a position to only go out when I want to.

Rain or dirty roads = it stays in the garage.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 16, 2022, 04:10:13 PM
My white car is currently sahara sand coloured, evenly spread last night   I was going to wash it yesterday ,but decided not to bother. :P

I have just ordered some Turtle wax hybrid ceramic stuff on line  (2 quid cheaper than Halfrauds)  . My hope is the improved beading properties will help stop the dirt sticking as readily. 
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: shufty on March 16, 2022, 04:26:23 PM
...Amazon was £8 cheaper than Halfords!
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Jazzik on March 16, 2022, 07:24:50 PM
I don't really care if my umbrella got wet when I was walking in the rain. (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/midi/verschiedene/k014.gif)
I also don't care if my rain suit got wet and dirty when I was biking in bad weather. (https://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/sportlich/g055.gif)


And I'm even happy that my Jazz got wet and dirty and not me, if I had to go outside in bad weather and wasn't walking or riding my bike.
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 18, 2022, 09:42:17 AM
...Amazon was £8 cheaper than Halfords!

It was £15.99 in my local Halfords store.   (reduced from about £18 IIRC)    Cheapest I found on Amazon was £14  and also £14 on Fleabay,
The ebay seller appear to be turtlewax europe  Ltd.  .  £14 for 1  or £12.60 each for 2   (free delivery)   
No luck  finding an £8 reduction   >:(
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: shufty on March 18, 2022, 10:33:57 AM
...Are we talking about the same thing?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0833KHBWB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Lord Voltermore on March 18, 2022, 02:30:58 PM
...Are we talking about the same thing?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0833KHBWB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
No    .  I meant this spray coating. Claimed to last up to 12 months.  I got mine on ebay with free postage as I dont have amazon prime. 

To me wash and wax implies washing the car. Something I like to avoid as much as possible  :P

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0833KPK78/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=13e5d2e91bb5c39cc7c9a983e78937b6&hsa_cr_id=9058444910202&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=6c75d638-defc-41cc-87ae-7e66655b83dc&pd_rd_w=3vhuk&pd_rd_wg=Y57Xc&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_td_asin_0_title
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kenneve on March 18, 2022, 04:58:33 PM
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0833KPK78/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=13e5d2e91bb5c39cc7c9a983e78937b6&hsa_cr_id=9058444910202&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=6c75d638-defc-41cc-87ae-7e66655b83dc&pd_rd_w=3vhuk&pd_rd_wg=Y57Xc&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_td_asin_0_title

No, to my mind the above, is a more Expensive/Labour intensive, way of achieving the same result.
I have been using the Ceramic Wash & Wax version for the last 6 weeks or so and can highly recommend it.
I just use the same method as my older products, namely I don't prewash, I wash the car as normal with a sponge and then hose off, leaving the car on the drive to dry off.
This product leaves a much higher gloss finish and also keeps the car much cleaner, particularly the rear and the sides.
Well worth the money, in spite of the fact that I paid Halfords prices!
Title: Re: Dirty rear & sides
Post by: Kremmen on March 19, 2022, 04:31:01 AM
I achieve a similar result but with Meguiars waterless wash. I used to use Mantis with carnauba wax but JML stopped producing it.

After washing I drop a microfibre on the bonnet and it stays there. After finishing off with the waterless wash, used as a wax, drop the microfibre and it slides off.

As you say, it does help repel the dirt.