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Non EV rationing by manufacturers
« on: September 03, 2024, 03:46:04 AM »
Car makers are rationing sales of petrol and hybrid vehicles in Britain to avoid hefty net zero fines, according to one of the country’s biggest dealership chains.

Robert Forrester, chief executive of Vertu Motors, said manufacturers were delaying deliveries of cars until next year amid fears they will otherwise breach quotas set for them by the Government.

This means someone ordering a car today at some dealerships will not receive it until February, he said.

At the same time, Mr Forrester warned manufacturers and dealers were grappling with a glut of more expensive electric vehicles (EVs) that are “not easily finding homes”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/09/02/manufacturers-ration-petrol-cars-hybrid-electric/
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Re: Non EV rationing by manufacturers
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2024, 08:40:19 PM »
EV's are simply too expensive and have issues that make them complex to run for some. I think once a basic EV is on the market for £20k and a 400+ mile range, it'll sell. Manufacturers need to ditch all the irrelevant tech, stupid big wheels and SUV stying. Motoring for the masses is what's needed, and they're too busy selling swanky lifestyle vehicles on massive PCP deals.

The ban on ICE by 2030 will get kicked back. Can't sell what folk wont buy, and there will be a lot of workers  out of jobs which has terrible consequences for the economy. VW are scalling back production big style, yet back in the days of the UP and Polo etc, they couldn't build them fast enough. Coffee smelling time for the manufacturers I reckon.

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2024, 05:16:49 AM »
Ford scrapped the Fiesta IIRC saying they can't produce a full EV in such a small body shell.

If so then come 2030 what will be on offer ...... 2 ton SUV types
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2024, 11:54:21 AM »
Just googled to discover that Stellantis sell a VX Corsa E. There's a 2024/24 with <100 miles listed on Carwow today for £17,990. So an EV for the masses does exist, but the car has a range on only 222 miles (WLTP)1 on a single charge. Honestly, who could live with that? Not so many I would argue.

This list, makes my point https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/cheapest-electric-car/ none of those are going to get me out of my wee Jazz anytime soon. I've a range of 440 miles with comfort and can refuel in 5 mins for £55. EV's don't even come close, and that is why they are not selling in my humble opinion.

For example, we are taking our third Euro trip in the Jazz this year. I estimate we'll cover about 2500 miles. The prospect of organising charging the car every 200 miles? Yeah, what a PITA that would be.




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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2024, 04:57:38 PM »
From articles I've read, EV sales will struggle to exceed a third of the market.  To be a viable option, you really need to have a driveway and charger connected to your house, so the cost of charging is competitive.  However, a lot of the population live in cities, and a large number live in flats.  Charging on street is unlikely to happen any time soon.  It would require huge investment that the government or energy companies would have to make.  I just cant see that happening.  There is also no escaping the fact that EVs are more expensive to manufacture than a petrol car, and once a car is out of warantee, most drivers dont want the risk of having to replace the battery.  That puts a lot of buyers off.  The hybrid is a far better solution in that respect, and should be encouraged rather than considered  a petrol car.  Maybe that will change.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2024, 09:08:57 PM »
I agree with you Keekster. With our housing stock, EV home charging is very often not an option. Our old city and town centres were not designed for cars, let alone charging leads etc. Mind our old towns weren't designed for massive motors, and yet people buy them despite evident lack of suitability. 

On that list I posted earlier, I see the wee Fiat 500 E, has a range of only just over 100 miles! Terrible. My Honda CBF1000 motorcycle has more range, and its only got a tiny fuel tank.
 
 

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Re: Non EV rationing by manufacturers
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2024, 11:46:54 PM »
I see the wee Fiat 500 E, has a range of only just over 100 miles!

The 500E with the 23,8 kWh battery has a WLTP range of 118 miles. But one can of course also decide to take the 500E with the 42,0 kWh battery. WLTP range suddenly grows to 199 miles, so not "just over 100 miles", but almost 200 miles. :D
Still too little for me, but it sounds much better...
« Last Edit: September 06, 2024, 11:53:27 PM by Jazzik »
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Re: Non EV rationing by manufacturers
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2024, 08:51:35 AM »
EV's are simply too expensive and have issues that make them complex to run for some. I think once a basic EV is on the market for £20k and a 400+ mile range, it'll sell. Manufacturers need to ditch all the irrelevant tech, stupid big wheels and SUV stying. Motoring for the masses is what's needed, and they're too busy selling swanky lifestyle vehicles on massive PCP deals.

The ban on ICE by 2030 will get kicked back. Can't sell what folk wont buy, and there will be a lot of workers  out of jobs which has terrible consequences for the economy. VW are scalling back production big style, yet back in the days of the UP and Polo etc, they couldn't build them fast enough. Coffee smelling time for the manufacturers I reckon.

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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2024, 01:24:23 PM »
Yes, there are cheap EV's but I do wonder about their quality
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2024, 12:24:44 PM »
Just googled to discover that Stellantis sell a VX Corsa E. There's a 2024/24 with <100 miles listed on Carwow today for £17,990. So an EV for the masses does exist, but the car has a range on only 222 miles (WLTP)1 on a single charge. Honestly, who could live with that? Not so many I would argue.
I think that there are a lot of 2-car households where the 2nd car is only used for local trips for which a 100 mile range would be fine.
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