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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: edam on April 20, 2016, 08:10:07 PM
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Dashboard reflections!!!!!!
I test drove a MK3 this afternoon and the reflection was even worse, if thats possible ,than on a MK2.
Dangerous !!!!!
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Strange! I didn't have the problem with the mk1 and had my mk3 for 6 months and don't see a problem.
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I have had a black towel on the dashboard of my Mk2 for years. I have even suggested that it should be a Honda black towel.
Test driving the MK3 this afternoon was like driving in fog!!!. The refection was that bad.
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My Mk 3 has less reflected glare than my previous hybrid although I did notice some glare a few days ago when the sun was about 30 to 45 degrees to the left of the car's direction (the air vents at the bottom of the windscreen were very noticeable). However, that wasn't where I was looking to see the road ahead. The glare problem on the Mk 2 was exacerbated by the humps and dips over the instruments which resulted in glare with bright / dark patterns. The part of the Mk 3 is more uniform so such reflected glare as occurs is more uniform and easier to look through.
However, I think we ended the discussion about glare in another thread by concluding that the driver's seating position (and hence eyeball location) is a factor in the perceived glare so it is possible that, while the Mk 3 is better for some, it is worse for others. Dar coloured fabric covering is the obvious solution but what car manufacturer has done that?
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I agree about the humps and dips on the MK 2. That's where my towel sits.
I also a agree that the reflection is more uniform on the MK3 but as for it being easier to see through no way. As I said it was like driving in fog.
I think I read somewhere that a optician could alter my glasses somehow to make the reflection less noticeable. Something about the point of focus I believe. Thinking about it if the reflection is blurred would it make it harder to see through it.
I will ring Specsavers tomorrow
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I hadn't noticed it until I cleaned the dashboard. Now it is nice and shiny so reflects more. It's like looking through a wire mesh. So tip, don't clean the dashboard.
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I like the "wire mesh" description
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I think I read somewhere that a optician could alter my glasses somehow to make the reflection less noticeable. Something about the point of focus I believe. Thinking about it if the reflection is blurred would it make it harder to see through it.
I will ring Specsavers tomorrow
Polarising lenses will cut out the glare. However, they do make everything darker so I wouldn't want to wear them continuously.
Clip-on flip-up polarising lenses clipped onto your normal spectacles can work well: Flip down if you are in sunshine and glare, flip up when it goes cloudy. A lot of these clip-ons have a pair of long legs which I find intrude on the forward vision. However, a few have a small clip which grips the bridge. An example of this is on the blackish green lens in the group photo at http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Polarized-UV-400-Lenses-Clip-on-Flip-up-Brown-Gray-Green-Yellow-Sunglasses-/181357365913? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Polarized-UV-400-Lenses-Clip-on-Flip-up-Brown-Gray-Green-Yellow-Sunglasses-/181357365913?) (however, the detailed photo of that pair have the chunky plastic clip so you will have to hunt elsewhere). The challenge with slip-ons is remember to put them on before you start driving.
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Well, I wear glasses, have done all my life, there is no special coating on the lens and i am of average height.
As I said previously I do not see what you are all going on about??????
Perhaps I am not as picky. :-)
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Try a wipe over with damp cloth, may improve matters.
Failing that step use a detailing dash cleaner which keeps matt finish eg Meguiars Autoglym etc etc
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As I said previously I do not see what you are all going on about??????
Same here, neither myself or my OH have noticed any reflections from the dashboard on our MK2 and we both drive it, I am over 6ft and my OH is only 5ft 4in. ???
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When I was driving a Mk3 demo yesterday it was like. as Paulwhitt20 said, looking through a wire mesh.
Its putting me off buying a MK3 as it was so bad.
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When I was driving a Mk3 demo yesterday it was like. as Paulwhitt20 said, looking through a wire mesh.
Its putting me off buying a MK3 as it was so bad.
Maybe someone at the dealers is being over-zealous in keeping the dashboard clean, even to the extent of putting on some polish without realising the consequences.
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Only an issue in certain sunny conditions which I suspect will get worse during the summer months. I can look through the reflections of speakers etc but the haze or fog effect due to general reflection is not good at all.
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Anti-reflective Glass
Reflections on the inside of the windscreen can disturb the visual comfort and concentration of the driver. This is compounded by current design trends that lean towards lighter dashboards that are more strongly reflected in the windscreen. Anti-reflective glass, which is treated with a special coating, can reduce these reflections by up to 40% at a reflective angle of 60 degrees, and also helps reduce glare,
http://www.glassforeurope.com/en/products/automotive-transport-glass-charateristics.php (http://www.glassforeurope.com/en/products/automotive-transport-glass-charateristics.php)
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I use an armour-all plastic renovator - has a semi-matt finish and looks good also reduces reflection (mind you the Civic has a dash made from a dimpled material which breaks up reflection anyway) - wifes Jazz Mk2 has a shinier dash material but this reduced shine a bit.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Armor-All-Protectant-Semi-Matt-Finish/dp/B002Q9FLHA?ie=UTF8& (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Armor-All-Protectant-Semi-Matt-Finish/dp/B002Q9FLHA?ie=UTF8&)*Version*=1&*entries*=0
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As I said previously I do not see what you are all going on about??????
Same here, neither myself or my OH have noticed any reflections from the dashboard on our MK2 and we both drive it, I am over 6ft and my OH is only 5ft 4in. ???
Have either of you had your windscreen changed.
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On a brand new car! Don't be daft. :-). :-)
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Stones don't know what age of car they are hitting!!
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Have either of you had your windscreen changed.
Simple answer no, it is the original windscreen and we have had the car from new also I never had a problem on my Civic either.
Maybe it is our driving position but I have the seat right back and she has it well forward and wears glasses, just been discussing it with my wife and she says like me she has never noticed or had a problem with any reflections or glare when driving or as a passenger even on bright sunny days.
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It was so bad yesterday that if the sales man, sitting in the passenger seat, had not told me to stop I would have crashed. It was like driving in fog.
I spoke to a women in the service dept. in my local dealer today and she went on a long drive in the Mk3 Jazz and did not notice any problem. Its very strange.
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I think I understand what's happening.
I don't like driving with a dirty windscreen
I don't like driving with smearing wipers.
I don't like driving with dashboard reflections
All the same distance.
Specsavers here we come.
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Can't say that my wife and I have ever noticed any reflections in the MK2 or the MK3. There is nothing any different that we have noticed compared to any other cars we have owned.
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Renault are changing dashboards on the Zoe so one can live in hope.
Until then I have my eye on some matting in Halfords . I will see if they will let me try it out on the car before buying as its about £12
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I find, if I look at my screen. I can see the reflection, of the contours and sections of the dashboard.
If I look through the screen, when driving, I can only see the road etc.......
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I find, if I look at my screen. I can see the reflection, of the contours and sections of the dashboard.
If I look through the screen, when driving, I can only see the road etc.......
This is true under most driving conditions but there are times when the sun is in a certain position is relation to the screen and at this point the whole dashboard casts a a reflection on the screen that I can only describe as a fog effect. Yes you can see through it but vision is far from clear. Difficult to explain until you witness it yourself.
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Sorry. I've never witnessed the effect, in 12 months of ownership.
Though, it has been mentioned before. And, I have looked for it.
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Sorry. I've never witnessed the effect, in 12 months of ownership.
Though, it has been mentioned before. And, I have looked for it.
I hope you don't witness the effect as its scary!!!!!!
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I've never witnessed the effect, in 12 months of ownership.
I wonder..... I've only, dusted the dash, and inner screen, using a noodle mit. Never used any cleaner/ polish fluid......
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I wonder..... I've only, dusted the dash, and inner screen, using a noodle mit. Never used any cleaner/ polish fluid......
This is the first Jazz that I have owned so can't comment on the earlier models but the top of the dash certainly had a polished finish as delivered. I believe if it were dull, then there wouldn't be an issue.
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This is true under most driving conditions but there are times when the sun is in a certain position is relation to the screen and at this point the whole dashboard casts a a reflection on the screen that I can only describe as a fog effect. Yes you can see through it but vision is far from clear. Difficult to explain until you witness it yourself.
The problem is exacerbated if certain geometrical conditions (sun elevation, windscreen slope, dashboard slope and eyeball location) are satisfied. I've attempted to illustrate this on the attached sketch. For me, the glare problem on the Mk 3 is much reduced compared to the Mk 2 although it's a mystery why car manufacturers don't realise that this is a potential safety problem and provide better glare mitigation. A suitably shaped piece of black fabric is all that is required, fixed by some press studs so that it can be taken out for the occasional wash.
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I've attempted to illustrate this on the attached sketch.
It may be a pretty diagram and theory but it does not really explain why some people appear to have a bad problem with glare and reflections to such an extent that it appears foggy and dangerous while others have never noticed this phenomena, I am pretty sure that we have a pretty mixed group of drivers on these forums but not everyone has a problem or is reporting it.
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It may be a pretty diagram and theory but it does not really explain why some people appear to have a bad problem with glare and reflections to such an extent that it appears foggy and dangerous while others have never noticed this phenomena, I am pretty sure that we have a pretty mixed group of drivers on these forums but not everyone has a problem or is reporting it.
I think that if the eyes are higher or lower than a certain angle from the windscreen then the problem may be reduced. To see the glare, the angle of incidence for glare onto the windscreen has to be the same as the angle of incidence from eyeball to windscreen. If your eyes are above or below this line then the glare should be less although the whole of the dashboard is producing glare so there's no unique angle. Anyway, that's my theory. I'll let others put forward theirs.
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Over the years I have tried various seat positions but they have not worked.
To find that it was even worse on the MK 3 is very disappointing to say the least.
I'm going to test drive a Nissan Note tomorrow . I will also test it on a bright sunny day as I have read that the instrument binnacle reflects onto the windscreen. Groan!!
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I have had my Jazz for just over a month now and the dash reflection has been obvious since day one. Notice it most when driving towards the sun; the screen directly ahead becomes a glare of reflected dashboard. Really distracting at times. Think I will start a new topic requesting current solutions.
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I never noticed a problem with my 2010 EX, my 2013 had a little reflection when I got it but, moving the chair up and the steering wheel up to keep the angles at the same comfort lever got rid of any problem. I can make out the top of the dash if I focus on the windscreen in low sun but focusing on the road makes it all go away.
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I carry a pair of Polarized glasses, actually purchased for fly-fishing, in my glove box. They can be very helpful when glare is a problem and when driving towards a low sun.
Dashboard glare is a problem, particularly after cleaning inside the car and using a product like Cockpit Shine.
There could be a market for Cockpit Unshine.
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There is a parallel thread in the Mk 2 forum with one possible solution not mention in this thread:
http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=8049.0 (http://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=8049.0)
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http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/jazz-2016/reviews.html (http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/jazz-2016/reviews.html)
Honda cant say they don't know about the problem.
The review by Brenda is the best.
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Is it possible that other material is used in different Honda factories? We have our mk2 Jazz for 6 months now and i've read this problem a few times, so i have looked for it, put the driver seat higher and lower, but we have no problem. No reflections at all!
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Both myself and the sun have been out a bit more recently. I have noticed the glare off the dashboard so I've been wrong in saying that my Mk 3 + eyeball location is free of the problem. However, what I see in the Mk 3 is a uniform pattern which is much easier to look through and ignore than the bright and dark patterns I was getting on the Mk 2.
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I have a Jazz MK2 and saw the comments about polarising lens sunglasses. I have been away on driving holiday this last weekend and bought some polarising sunglasses to try and found these excellent with no glare or reflections at all. The lenses were not too dark and I was able to wear them all day. Probably not ok to wear them at night!
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I never had the problem on my mk1 Jazz. It's the reason I sold my mk2 Jazz. I was seriously looking at the new Jazz but will borrow one for a day to confirm at my height it's still as bad..... It looks as if this forum may have saved me about £20k!
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I had the problem badly on my Mk2 (solved by Polaroid clipons), and have just bought a new Mk3.
My assessment is that the Mk3 is definitely better. The reflection is much less bright and more uniform, so much less distracting and noticeable. Like a slight lowering of contrast more uniformly. There are still small bits of bright reflections at the edges, but less distracting than the Mk2. I still use the polarising clip-ons, but less often.
These comments only apply in bright sunshine from the front.
My wife still has our Mk 1, and I find the Mk3 better than that too, in same way as above. The Mk1 is better than the Mk2.
From the variety of responses it seems a highly personal issue.
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I had the problem badly on my Mk2 (solved by Polaroid clipons), and have just bought a new Mk3.
My assessment is that the Mk3 is definitely better. The reflection is much less bright and more uniform, so much less distracting and noticeable. Like a slight lowering of contrast more uniformly. There are still small bits of bright reflections at the edges, but less distracting than the Mk2. I still use the polarising clip-ons, but less often.
These comments only apply in bright sunshine from the front.
My wife still has our Mk 1, and I find the Mk3 better than that too, in same way as above. The Mk1 is better than the Mk2.
From the variety of responses it seems a highly personal issue.
Thanks for this posting... I look forward to trying out the mk3... I'll have to borrow one on a sunny day!