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Diagnostics, Tuning, Modifications and Maintenance - all Hondas => Car Care & Detailing => Topic started by: TnTkr on January 28, 2021, 05:52:28 AM
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Some days ago I replied to a thread about paint colors easy to keep nice, but now the whole thread seems to be disappeared. I cannot find it neither from my recent posts, from any of the subsections nor by any search word. Where did it disappear?
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The thread was deleted by admin.
The poster was a spammer, the thread was a cut and paste from another forum. They do this to set up accounts, post something to make them look legit, then later spam the forum with God knows what.
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OK, thanks for the information! Well done!
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If you want to discuss the relative merits of different paint colours, there's no reason why you can't start your own.
Here maybe? https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?board=67.0
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Thank you, I need to think suitable angle of approach to induce a fruitful discussion.
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Don't worry, it won't get deleted ;)
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Silver is the answer though. Never looks dirty! ;D
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My light green metallic Carlton, despite 100 motorway miles every day, never looked dirty.
(https://i.imgur.com/lCcrYDB.jpg)
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Thank you, I need to think suitable angle of approach to induce a fruitful discussion.
Too late, it's already started here!
Agree with Westy, anything in the mid-grey to silver range is the answer. Anything dark looks mucky, anything light looks mucky... especially around here, it's not worth washing the car until April/May (at least)
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Years ago we had a black car (everyone had a black car!), and because we lived beside the alumina processing plant, it got covered in white abrasive powder. Then we got a white car and discovered that the alumina powder was actually grey in colour and showed up just as clearly as on the black.
As an aside, I spent 6 weeks one summer working in the plant and on the "White side" all the steel handrails and checkered footplate were like polished chrome, with years of contact with hands and boots. The alumina from our plant went to produce, among other things, toothpaste.
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Years ago we had a black car (everyone had a black car!), and because we lived beside the alumina processing plant, it got covered in white abrasive powder. Then we got a white car and discovered that the alumina powder was actually grey in colour and showed up just as clearly as on the black.
Similar problem. We have two black cars, and depending upon the prevailing wind, they were regularly covered in spots of ash from the power station chimney until it closed. It all started when the Flue Gas Desulphurisation plant was installed, after that was built all the crap dropped on us locals, presumably due to amount of steam coming out with the flue gases.
You had to be very careful to rinse it off before washing, or it scratched the paint.
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I’m not concerned about colour from the washing point of view.
Of far more importance to me, is to be seen on the road.
All my Jazz cars (4), have been in Milano Red, so as to show up on the road.
In my view, colours such as silver, grey, black etc all tend to blend in with the tarmac, making make them difficult to see, from a distance.
I recall many years ago, my first Austin Metro was bright Yellow, because at the time, the Fire Service were considering changing from red to yellow, so as to be seen under certain types a street light, of course that never happened, so for me Red it is.
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My Volvo was easy to find in a car park.
(https://i.imgur.com/NkpHKB0.jpg?1)
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I liked the Sunset Orange on the Mk. 3 Jazz. It spent all winter turning a darker shade of orange which only become obvious when I finally got round to cleaning the car when spring arrived. Unlike some drivers, I do keep windows, lights and number plates clean even if I let the bodywork get filthy.
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Unlike some drivers, I do keep windows, lights and number plates clean even if I let the bodywork get filthy.
Good plan. I do that too. And the door handles and reversing camera lens.
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Unlike some drivers, I do keep windows, lights and number plates clean even if I let the bodywork get filthy.
Ditto. Although the car transforms into a stealth vehicle over winter, blending in with it's surroundings, I do at least clean the number plates and lights clean.
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Ditto. Although the car transforms into a stealth vehicle over winter, blending in with it's surroundings, I do at least clean the number plates and lights clean.
Exactly my point, you need to be SEEN!! :o
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Ditto. Although the car transforms into a stealth vehicle over winter, blending in with it's surroundings, I do at least clean the number plates and lights clean.
Exactly my point, you need to be SEEN!! :o
I don't deny it, but mine's the wrong colour anyway! :)
DRLs must help nowadays.
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Agreed with cleaning windows, lights, mirrors and number plates. Only takes a minute, and with the windows the difference is immediately apparent.
With regard to visability, I drive with my dipped headlights on all the time. Silver cars are a bit invisible and the Jazz is only tiny compared to some massive trucks that people use as cars such as the VW Amorak/Panzer MK2 :D See the attached map, countries in red have compulsory daytime dipped headlights. It is a good habit to get into IMHO.
I think neighbouring industry getting my car dirty would have driven me nuts. :D
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I think any medium shade grayish, brownish and greenish colour looks decent even if it has some dirt or swirl marks. Blueish colours are not that good. Especially metallic ones. On the other hand if thinking colour matching after some repairs, non-metallic would be better.
When selecting the colour of my car, most important for me is that it looks good in that specific car. But that includes looking good even with some dirt. Jazz I would have liked to get in turquoise blue metallic, but that is not available so our family parliament decided skyride blue. To be seen is unimportant for me when selecting car colour.
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To be seen is unimportant for me when selecting car colour.
In my view, an accident waiting to happen?
It won’t be very helpful, when the driver who has just hit you says, “ I’m sorry but it didn’t see you”😧
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To be seen is unimportant for me when selecting car colour.
In my view, an accident waiting to happen?
It won’t be very helpful, when the driver who has just hit you says, “ I’m sorry but it didn’t see you”😧
I recognize your opinion and I'm not going to challenge it. I just don't see it that important factor, so I guess I have been waiting an accident to happen for several decades. Never been hit in a situation where seeing played any role, neither anyone on my nearby family or friends.
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When selecting the colour of my car, most important for me is that it looks good in that specific car.
:D As a buyer of used cars, the colour normaly chooses me! The history of the car and value are far more imortant than colour. If I had a new car order form in fron of me, of course I would consider the choice, but when buying budget cars the colour is pretty much irrelevant.
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My current car - shining grey metallic - is the most resistant to dirt showing (it's always there regardless of colour) I've ever had. It also has the benefit of looking glossy when cleaned which the silver cars I've had never did.
That said I think there is definitely something in the view that a bright colour increases visibility. I would have had Milano Red but this was firmly vetoed by SWMBO.
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Grey or light grey is my favourite because it's closest to the undercoat.
When you get the mandatory stone chips they don't stick out too much pre touchup.
Regarding black, an 'old boy' chauffeur once told me, to stop paint swirls on black, he always put a small amount of paraffin in the final rinse water.
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I have never given a thought to the colour of a car when I have purchased it. Buying second-hand, and at the bottom of the market, doesn't really allow the niceties of choosing colours. The nearest I have come is the Volvo, where my wife saw it for sale, liked the colour, and asked me to go and have a look at it. I bought it, but yellow or tartan, it wouldn't have mattered. I have had some horrible colours, but thankfully never silver.
(https://i.imgur.com/NQwKymT.jpg?1)
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I have never given a thought to the colour of a car when I have purchased it. Buying second-hand, and at the bottom of the market, doesn't really allow the niceties of choosing colours. The nearest I have come is the Volvo, where my wife saw it for sale, liked the colour, and asked me to go and have a look at it. I bought it, but yellow or tartan, it wouldn't have mattered. I have had some horrible colours, but thankfully never silver.
:D The Jazz is only the second Honda car I've owned, an Accord years ago, and both have been silver! Not out of choice, just what happened at the time.
The 504 was a peach of a car and beige was very of its time. I bet there are loads of those still in daily use in parts of Africa.
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My light green metallic Carlton, despite 100 motorway miles every day, never looked dirty.
(https://i.imgur.com/lCcrYDB.jpg)
That really is a nice car! Known here as Opel Rekord.
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My current car - shining grey metallic - is the most resistant to dirt showing (it's always there regardless of colour) I've ever had. It also has the benefit of looking glossy when cleaned which the silver cars I've had never did.
That said I think there is definitely something in the view that a bright colour increases visibility. I would have had Milano Red but this was firmly vetoed by SWMBO.
I have bought both new and used. But even when bying used, I've always rejected red and black cars. I've had orange, white, grey and blue ones. The new ones have been quartz silver Peugeot and skyride blue Jazz.
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If it was a choice between a black car in good order and condition, and a nice metallic blue car with faults, I know which one I'll end up with.
That's how I ended up with this thing.
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The 504 was a peach of a car and beige was very of its time.
That shows how crap the colour was. It was actually metallic gold. The only car I have ever had with a rusty dipstick! Went to buy a brake cylinder and despite having VIN and chassis number dealer couldn't help. There was a choice of three, all different manufacturers. I had to strip the old cylinder off and take it in and get a match.
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That's a classic example of Peugeot spare part mess. Been there, done that. But 504 is really an incredibly comfortable, effortless and relaxing car to drive!
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But 504 is really an incredibly comfortable, effortless and relaxing car to drive!
It certainly was. Probably the most comfortable car I have ever owned.
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My current car - shining grey metallic - is the most resistant to dirt showing (it's always there regardless of colour) I've ever had. It also has the benefit of looking glossy when cleaned which the silver cars I've had never did.
That said I think there is definitely something in the view that a bright colour increases visibility. I would have had Milano Red but this was firmly vetoed by SWMBO.
In the MK3, I really like the colour of your car peteo48. It would be my choice when we upgrade. That said though, if the orange version was a grand cheaper at the time I know which would be on the drive! ;D
I had a 1980 Pug 305 SR. So very beige and so very comfortable. I've run a couple of 308's, and whilst I would agree they are challenging to look at, they drive really well. Peugeot do know how to do comfort even in modern cars. They both had 16" wheels which helps.
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I've probably said this before, but different colours fit to different cars. I like my old light truck in orange, but would not want Jazz in that colour.
(https://www.mytractorforum.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.mytractorforum.com/attachments/img_1393-jpg.2479995/)
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I've probably said this before, but different colours fit to different cars. I like my old light truck in orange, but would not want Jazz in that colour.
Oh my, that is gorgeous. Lovely colour. 8) A 308D ? 2.4 Diesel non turbo? Have you had it long? It is in really good condition and looks rust free.
That colour is very popular in Europe for municipal vehicles, like German road works and similar.
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Yes, it's a 308D, meaning max. GVM 3500 kg and 2,3 litre naturally aspirated diesel providing 79 hp. Not really a rocket, especially at full load ;D But it's really well mannered and relaxing to drive. And 100% computer free bullet proof technology. I think only electronics in this truck is the original Blaupunkt radio.
It has proven to be very useful to haul materials for our house renovation and many other transportation tasks that we have.
It is indeed in very good condition, has very low kilometrage and only little rust. Previous owner performed some very well made repairs and I have been continuing the work. Next thing will be to replace bed floor and get the bed frame sand blasted and painted.
First owner was a roof construction company in Berlin and it was imported to Finland 15 years ago. I found it two years ago.
Originally it was a 3-seater with storage space in the rear part of the cab, but I converted it to a 7-seater with an original rear bench seat. Only feature I'm missing is an air conditioning. It could be built with Mercedes parts, but it'd be such big job that I'm not quite sure.
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A 308D ? 2.4 Diesel non turbo? Have you had it long? It is in really good condition and looks rust free.
I've got a 307D LWB truck cab with the old 2.4 non-turbo on the yard, it's certainly not rust free though!
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Almost all this model of Mercedes vans and trucks do carry significant amount of rust here too. I was just lucky.
Back then we had a need for certain size bed truck and had very tight budget for that. I then picked up best truck available for that money. I didn't know then how good one I actually got. An old man needed to sell it due to health reasons and it was on quite remote location too.
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Looks superb, they're worth a bit of money here now. Not many left, as the bodies soon succumbed to the rust, but you can still get every repair panel for them over here. The old mechanicals were indestructible though.
Mine's well gone, it's been stood for years... just a single cab, not the 1½ cab like yours, nice that. I think I've got a brand new wheelarch repair panel lying about somewhere.
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Is that the model where all the van types are being turned into camper vans by new age road warriors?
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Is that the model where all the van types are being turned into camper vans by new age road warriors?
Aye, there's a few of those ;)
Ironically, I think the fact that so many proper campers were built on these chassis cabs has helped keep the parts supply for them so strong. You can still get just about everything.
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Is that the model where all the van types are being turned into camper vans by new age road warriors?
Aye, there's a few of those ;)
Ironically, I think the fact that so many proper campers were built on these chassis cabs has helped keep the parts supply for them so strong. You can still get just about everything.
That is true, parts are very well available. But long term spare part support is also very strongly Mercedes tradition. You can get about everything for 70's W123 Mercs too.
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Have you ever read the story of Gunther Holtorf? If not, grab a coffee and a quiet corner and read about him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2014/newsspec_8703/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_Holtorf
https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/classic/museum/mercedes-benz-300gd-gunther-holtorf/
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Yes, it's a 308D, meaning max. GVM 3500 kg and 2,3 litre naturally aspirated diesel providing 79 hp. Not really a rocket, especially at full load ;D But it's really well mannered and relaxing to drive. And 100% computer free bullet proof technology. I think only electronics in this truck is the original Blaupunkt radio.
It has proven to be very useful to haul materials for our house renovation and many other transportation tasks that we have.
It is indeed in very good condition, has very low kilometrage and only little rust. Previous owner performed some very well made repairs and I have been continuing the work. Next thing will be to replace bed floor and get the bed frame sand blasted and painted.
First owner was a roof construction company in Berlin and it was imported to Finland 15 years ago. I found it two years ago.
Originally it was a 3-seater with storage space in the rear part of the cab, but I converted it to a 7-seater with an original rear bench seat. Only feature I'm missing is an air conditioning. It could be built with Mercedes parts, but it'd be such big job that I'm not quite sure.
Mate, that is a thing of beauty. Mercedes of that vintage were built so well, feel like they will last forever. Rust is an issue, and they are getting old now, but your example is 8) Feel free to post some more photos if you get time, be great to see more of it. :D
I ran a Transit HiCube for a year. The only van I've ever owned. I bought it from auction when it was 2 1/2 yrs old, and Mrs Westy and me carried out a speedy diy camper conversion and then took it on a 6 month tour of Europe. Loved my Transit. Good van, and our home for 6 months! :)
It had about the same bhp/tonne as your 308D, so slow and steady. But, as you say, there is a charm to that speed if you have time.
I would like another van, but at the moment the market in the UK has gone crazy. Prices are throught the roof.
@Sparkypaul. Now wondering what other gems you have stashed away? ;D
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@Sparkypaul. Now wondering what other gems you have stashed away? ;D
I don't think you'd believe me if I gave you the full inventory ;D
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I don't think you'd believe me if I gave you the full inventory ;D
I can't help being curious now......... 8)
Do you reckon you will get your old 308D on the road again? Did you have it on the road as a daily or buy it as a project?
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I can't help being curious now......... 8)
Do you reckon you will get your old 308D on the road again? Did you have it on the road as a daily or buy it as a project?
It's actually a 307D, so a generation older... bodily identical though.
It was used regularly with a demountable horsebox on the back, but was retired years ago - too much hassle getting an old Class 7 through the MOT in the end. It will probably end up broken up... replacement panels would cost more than it's worth, and it would need allsorts now.
Mind you, after saying these old Mercs rust, the rust on the Sprinter panel vans that replaced them is something else!
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Mate, that is a thing of beauty. Mercedes of that vintage were built so well, feel like they will last forever. Rust is an issue, and they are getting old now, but your example is 8) Feel free to post some more photos if you get time, be great to see more of it. :D
I ran a Transit HiCube for a year. The only van I've ever owned. I bought it from auction when it was 2 1/2 yrs old, and Mrs Westy and me carried out a speedy diy camper conversion and then took it on a 6 month tour of Europe. Loved my Transit. Good van, and our home for 6 months! :)
I have driven Transit sometimes in 90's and it as a nice van too.
This is not best time of the year to take pictures, but here are some taken from interior previously.
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I used to drive a FIAT Ducato, daily, and it was a lovely van to drive. Mind you; I didn't have to worry about maintenance costs or repairs. Having said that, for the entire time I was driving it, I never had any issues. I just got in it, and it went and kept going.
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/224262711687_/2005-Fiat-Ducato-Panel-Van-MK2-20-JTD.jpg)
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I've driven that kind of Ducato too. My workplace had one and for the first ten years it was economical to maintain compared to the Sprinter that we had too. After it begun to need annual welding for rust repairs it was time to get a new one.
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Those Fiat/Pug/Citroen vans are really nice. They are the base of about 75% of campers on the road. I have not driven a standard van, only a coachbuilt camper version, but it was a nice drive.The previous versions, C25 have lasted well. Still see quite a lot of them around.
Mercedes Sprinters drive so well. The 311Cdi with the 2.1 engine. Rust is a big problem, but they really are such a nice place to cover distance. Had a temp job 22yrs ago for a few months where I was using one daily. I was so impressed with how it drove. Prior to that, bay window VW camper was my van experience, and whilst nice, they are slow. The Sprinter was a luxury van.
Remember the Renaults from the 70/80's. Such cool vans. 8) Citroen H van........sadly they are all being turned into naff catering vans these days, but oh so cool. 8)
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I think if those old Citroen vans had not been turned to catering vans they would be as much diappeared as 70's Peugeot and Renault vans are.
At one time I was looking for a 4wd Renault Master bus, but have never driven one. Since then I've changed my mind and am dreaming of a different bus https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12699.msg92049#msg92049 (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12699.msg92049#msg92049).
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For a few weeks in 1980 I helped out my brother as he started his van based supply business to engineering works and foundry. My chariot was an ex builders van belonging to a mate of my Dads. We painted it Dulux Midnight Blue on the outside and Black on the inside, painting over remnants of rubble and cement we could not easily remove. The windows would not wind down and the heater was stuck on full. That sure was a sweaty summer.
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I think if those old Citroen vans had not been turned to catering vans they would be as much diappeared as 70's Peugeot and Renault vans are.
At one time I was looking for a 4wd Renault Master bus, but have never driven one. Since then I've changed my mind and am dreaming of a different bus
You're probably bang on with the H vans. It's just such a shame to see them being converted, painted in pastel shades and decorated with naff bunting as they often are. Never driven an H van, but I dont think they are a great steer.
That GMC van you like is super cool. How about a Ford Econoline? They were lush and referenced in a Neil Young song! 8)
For a few weeks in 1980 I helped out my brother as he started his van based supply business to engineering works and foundry. My chariot was an ex builders van belonging to a mate of my Dads. We painted it Dulux Midnight Blue on the outside and Black on the inside, painting over remnants of rubble and cement we could not easily remove. The windows would not wind down and the heater was stuck on full. That sure was a sweaty summer.
Painting over the builders rubble !! ;D ;D Proper job!
I can relate to the heater issue. When I was a teenager I had a Pug 305 that had a broken cooling fan. The only way I could stop it over heating was to have the hot air blowing in the car! London traffic was no fun, I'd boiled myself by the time I'd made it to Camden Lock. Fortunately the Pug survived and made it home again. 8) Tell kids today eh??
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At one time I was looking for a 4wd Renault Master bus, but have never driven one. Since then I've changed my mind and am dreaming of a different bus https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12699.msg92049#msg92049 (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12699.msg92049#msg92049).
I can't stop thinking about this when I see your post
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I can't stop thinking about this when I see your post
You could do that in your Lockdown spare time with an old smiley transit? ;D
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PS: I've just worked out how to get images in a post! That only took me 6+ months...Doh. :-X
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You're probably bang on with the H vans. It's just such a shame to see them being converted, painted in pastel shades and decorated with naff bunting as they often are. Never driven an H van, but I dont think they are a great steer.
That GMC van you like is super cool. How about a Ford Econoline? They were lush and referenced in a Neil Young song! 8)
My father and uncle were both working in same company in 60's and they drove company's Citroen van occasionally. They told that it actually was pretty good to drive, just the steering was quite heavy.
I've always been leaning towards GM products. Hence GMC or Chevy Van, please. :D
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I can't stop thinking about this when I see your post
(https://www.desktopbackground.org/download/800x600/2012/08/18/438898_a-team-van_1920x1080_h.jpg)
;D ;D
A-Team van is nice, but not exactly my style.
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My father and uncle were both working in same company in 60's and they drove company's Citroen van occasionally. They told that it actually was pretty good to drive, just the steering was quite heavy.
I've always been leaning towards GM products. Hence GMC or Chevy Van, please. :D
The H van is such an iconic shape. I've had a 2cv and a couple of Dyanes in the past, nothing like an old Citroen! 8)
GM v Ford. I understand in Australia it is a proper tribal thing, you are one or the other. Die hards on both sides of the fence! I've had loads of Fords and many Vauxhalls, so not fussed either way.
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I'm not such fanatic about any brand, I just feel more like home with GM products.
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I'm not such fanatic about any brand, I just feel more like home with GM products.
Must admit, I was always a GM car person, rather than Ford.
In fact, the only Ford I ever owned myself was really a VW.
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I'm not such fanatic about any brand, I just feel more like home with GM products.
Must admit, I was always a GM car person, rather than Ford.
In fact, the only Ford I ever owned myself was really a VW.
VW Taro?
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Other way round, Ford Galaxy (VW Sharan)
Wasn't the Taro a Toyota Hilux?
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Oh yes I got it wrong way round. Yes, Taro was rebadged Hilux.
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Our other car is a 2003 Mk4 Astra 1.6 8v. I had an Astra G when they it was only 2 yrs old years ago, and quite fancied another one as a bit of a modern classic. It rides really well and is very quiet and smooth on an A road at 60 mph. Does 45+ mpg and the spare parts are so cheap.
It was bought a few months ago as a project for my lad. He did his work experience at Audi and really enjoys working on cars. He has, under supervision, changed all service parts on the car, new discs & pads and a drop link. I did the new caliper. When the weather warms up, we a have a few more jobs to do. He has learnt so much about handling tools and the experience is brilliant for him. :D
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8) Nice.
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Dad's got a 1997 Astra F which he still drives daily.
The Astra G was a much nicer, more modern feeling car - it surprises me how old-fashioned the Astra F feels to drive now. It's not that I'm not familiar with old Astras, we had mk1 and a mk2 at work, but I guess you didn't know any different at the time.
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I have had a couple of Vauxhalls and enjoyed them both. Not the most reliable cars but they both had nearly 100,000 miles on them when I got them. Lots of little, minor electrical issues. The Carlton 1.8 GL had the panel dimmer fail on me, so I ended up with no panel lights, then the driver's side heated mirror failed. The Cavalier 2.0 CDi had the switch to disable the rear windows from being operated from the rear seats fail so the windows only worked from the driver's controls. It also had an issue where every so often the Winter mode would activate at startup. It meant the transmission always stayed in 4th (Automatic). You had to switch off, wait a few seconds then start again. The "W" switch had no effect.
I did 76,000 miles with the Carlton and 91,500 with the Cavalier.
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My Vauxhall history is/was a 91 Calibra 16V 4x4, a 95 Omega CD 2.5 V6 saloon, and the Insignia Tourer I'm running now.
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I had a Nova when they were brand new, in 1983. After a pretty bad smash I traded for a newer one late in '84. Then followed a few other cars, during which time I had use of a woefully underpowered D reg 1.3L Cavalier from the company pool. I got a brand new Astra 1.6GL in 1990 which was lovely and at the time was the longest I had had a car of my own. Then my first proper company car was a 1.8GL Cavalier in 1993. Not had a Vauxhall since that one went back in 1996.
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In my family my father, mother, brother and me have all had several Opels. Mostly Kadetts.
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My son-in-law had a highly tuned 1983 Opel Manta back in the 90s. I had a loan of it one week while he worked on my Carlton. Due to the level of tuning, it was a pig to drive, but huge fun.
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The future Mrs Westy was driving a MK2 Astra when I first met her, and I had the MK2 Cavalier. We toured one end of the country to the other in her MK2 Astra and a tent in the boot! It took us to NW Scotland and down to Lands End. :D
5% of all the cars I've owned have been GM. My Vauxhall list has nothing flash like V6 motors or coupe bodies!
Vauxhall Astra 1.6 Active 5dr 2003/03
Vauxhall Astra Expression 1.4 5dr 1990/H
Vauxhall Astra LS 1.4 16v 5dr 1999/T
Vauxhall Carlton 2200 L 4dr 1984/B
Vauxhall Cavalier 1.6 L 5dr 1988/E
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5% of all the cars I've owned have been GM. My Vauxhall list has nothing flash like V6 motors or coupe bodies!
You have owned 100 cars! :o
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:D :D :D Doh! Correction, 10% of the cars I've owned have been Vauxhalls. I've owned 50 cars so far.
It does sound like a lot, but I've owned some cars for just a few days for various reasons. I also bought several ex fleet cars direct from auction and sold them 3 months later for a little more than I paid for them. That was 20yrs ago when auctions were easier to buy from as a private punter. Not really possible these days.
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When I was a kid my father had this 1966 Opel Kadett B Coupé. We have had a 1970 Kadett B sedan together with my brother for over 30 years. And my last daily driver Opel was this 1985 Kadett E.
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That was 20yrs ago when auctions were easier to buy from as a private punter. Not really possible these days.
Why not? That's where my current jalopy came from.
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When I was a kid my father had this 1966 Opel Kadett B Coupé. We have had a 1970 Kadett B sedan together with my brother for over 30 years. And my last daily driver Opel was this 1985 Kadett E.
Some lovely cars there, thanks for posting the photos :D. The early Kadetts were a really nice design, the coupe looks very fine. Compared to a BL product, they were a much better build quality too.
You Astra 3dr gets a thumbs up from me. I have always liked the honesty of base spec motors. Something pure about having the lower spec and lot of blanking plugs on the dashboard. :D
Why not? That's where my current jalopy came from.
The fees were <£200, now £500+. All the stock went to the block, these days the best stock is sold before it even gets to auction. Online bidders increase the numbers of buyers. Model mix has gone upmarket, bigger volume of prestige eg 3 series/C class etc, where it used to be regular cars like Astra and Mondeo.
There are savings to be made, but at Aston Barclay, BCA and Manheim sites localy, the savings are small. Very small, especialy if you factor in the value of the CRA and warranty when buying from a dealer.
Another problem is trying to sell it again. I found this was getting increasingly difficult as people have the monthly, but not the actual cash. The whole scernario has changed from 20yrs ago in my experience.
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The fees were <£200, now £500+. All the stock went to the block, these days the best stock is sold before it even gets to auction. Online bidders increase the numbers of buyers. Model mix has gone upmarket, bigger volume of prestige eg 3 series/C class etc, where it used to be regular cars like Astra and Mondeo.
£500 sounds expensive. At my usual/nearest, fees top out at £475 inc.VAT for cars over £15K, some auctions are much lower fixed fees. I suppose it depends what sort of car you're looking for, but they always seem to have a good mix - they run different several auctions, low end tat, trade-ins, direct repo, upmarket stuff, etc.. Certain cars seem to go for daft prices at auction though, and Jazzes are one of them.
Fees were £200 and something for mine, certainly well under £300 IIRC, and it's hardly what you'd call a 'prestige' car. In any case, surely you just factor that into your bidding anyway. Auctions are not what they were, but prices do fluctuate quite a bit, and there are still good buys to be had.
I'm never keen on dealer warranties anyway, always prefer a bigger discount to a warranty.
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On a £5k motor, Manheim want £523.20 fees. If it has had a Surecheck, +£52, total £575! No warranty, no trial and getting close to retail. I'm sure some good deals to be had, especialy if you are happy to buy the dealer p/ex stuff, but for 3yr old ex-fleet the days of it being worthwhile are at an end IMHO.
With regard to dealer P/ex, in our area, the bigger dealer groups all have a seperate used car side. Robinsons have AutoDevotion, Vindis have Autonow etc etc. The quality P/ex are cherry picked and retailed upto 12yr old cars, whereas 99% of stock used to go to auction if over 3 or 4yrs old.
Private sales can be a great place to buy, but since the arrival of WBAC, a lot more people are happy to take a low offer to get rid pronto and not have to deal with buyers. Our local Asda has a WBAC, and it fills up very quickly. I am surprised how new some cars are too.
Interestingly, according to Autotrader, the average used car price is now £14,155 and is up 7.4% year on year! https://plc.autotrader.co.uk/press-centre/news-hub/auto-trader-retail-price-index-january-2021/ (https://plc.autotrader.co.uk/press-centre/news-hub/auto-trader-retail-price-index-january-2021/)
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On a £5k motor, Manheim want £523.20 fees. If it has had a Surecheck, +£52, total £575!
That's an awful lot of fees. I would still take it into account when bidding though, if the total price is too much, that's it.
I agree that some cars are just not worth buying at auctions, and Jazzes are a good example. We ended up with one from a main dealer, as you say, they were not much less at auction and it came with 4 crisp new tyres and various other titivations. As I said, it depends what sort of thing you're buying.
Interestingly, according to Autotrader, the average used car price is now £14,155 and is up 7.4% year on year!
Not for me, I'm afraid! It's all those 1/2 year old used cars going out on PCP.
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The dearest car I ever bought at auction was £180—a great car which gave us years of excellent service. We never bought a dud. Some were better than others, but a little work and they went well.
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I've had one that needed some work, you could call it a dud, but it was a cheap Renault. Didn't cost a fortune to fix, but it would have been a disaster if you had to pay for labour. You win some, etc..
Ebay & Facebook seem to be the place for the really cheap bangers these days.
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Gumtree is good too. I sold my Volvo S40 there for £295. The chap came that day to see it said he would take it even before trying it for himself and paid the asking price. This is one of the images I used in my advert.
(https://i.imgur.com/rDfSBAL.jpg)
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Gumtree is good too.
Indeed, that's where I found our first Jazz. It was only intended as a stop-gap while I sorted out the Galaxy, but that ended up being retired for various reasons, and the ever reliable Jazz is still here!