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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: Roddy0000 on August 15, 2019, 10:53:03 AM
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Hi, have looked at cox motors for spare full size wheel and tools etc and they say that it just drops in and the boot floor is not a problem, can anyone confirm this. many thanks.
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I bought the space saver and expanded polystyrene filler for my MK3.
The full size wheel will fit but does it come with the polystyrene packer?
Because the the boot "carpet" will need to be supported as it is very thin.
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This quote from a previous thread about the flimsy MK 3 boot floor may be helpful, though I haven't tried it myself as I have the spacesaver kit.
"with regard to the boot floor issue when using a full size spare the simple solution
is to get some 10 mm thick plywood cut this to to the size 800mmx470 mm paint
it matt black this will fit perfectly inside the ridge on the wheel well giving a perfectly flat stiff
floor total cost 5 pounds .this is for the 2016 honda jazz,do not waste any time writing to car makers
they never respond and wil not get in to a dialogue with the customers.
hope this is of some use to jazz owners"
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Here's a pic of my floor support, from an earlier discussion.....
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=10270.msg61468#msg61468
When loading the car, I often kneel, over the spare wheel area. It supports my weight, with no problems.... ;)
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I make do with a rug & various tools around a spacesaver to support boot floor ... still half considering a boot tray to stop muck getting down into wheel well though
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Hello, I have just registered today so don’t know what I’m doing but I have a spare wheel problem, too.
I bought my brand new Jazz EX two weeks ago and didn’t realise until after the purchase of a full size spare from Cox and the removal of the polystyrene thingumibob that it has an impossibly small well with no securing bolt hole. Churchill, my insurers, have assured me that an unsecured wheel isn’t a problem as far as they are concerned. It might, potentially, be a problem for me in case of an accident. 🤔 I now await a spacesaver but the well is so small that I’m not hopeful. An old Jazz space saver recovered from the back of my shed is proud of the well despite its slim proportions.
The full size spare is advertised as suitable for my Jazz and I did provide the registration number. Cox were astounded that the wheel wouldn’t fit. They requested a photo but I visited the dealer where they were also astounded and two members of staff had to view said small well with their own eyes. Anyway, to cut a long story short, refund gladly given by Cox.
Now, it was obvious that I am a spare wheel fanatic during the purchase procedure as I made it clear. I asked whether the spare from my older Jazz would be suitable. Naturally, I would require a decent sized well. It’s a bit like ordering a dress in pink and receiving a yellow one. There’s nothing actually wrong with the car, it’s just not suitable for me. Other cars in the showroom of the same model as mine do have a full sized well.
What to do? Has anyone else purchased such a car?
Thank you.
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Your new spacesaver will be the same size as the old one. If the well is smaller than other Jazzes, what is occupying the rest of the space? There must be dead space underneath. Can the dealer not explain the difference?
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have heard of this with current shape HR-V (Jazz based) as it has bigger wheels but never the Jazz itself .. very strange as I got a spare locked in easily - spare came with locking bolt
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I’m thinking this, too, but I want to be absolutely certain hence the purchase of the space saver. Everyone at the dealership is as baffled as I am about the size of the well. Not good if you are adamant that you are a lone female needing the reassurance of a spare. There was no mention of an optional spare well before purchase. They do seem to have been genuinely unaware.
Its function seems to be as a storage space for the newfangled ‘goo’ that we are expected to use these days. I don’t do ‘goo’. When you remove the black polystyrene insert it is just an unlined space. Painted metal.
I am considering rejecting the car as not suitable for me. I had to order the car so didn’t see it until I collected it. Naturally, I expected the car to be the same as the cars in the showroom.
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The plot thickens!! Today I took delivery of a brand new EX model, which the salesperson described as a 2020 model year. I can confirm that the boot will not take full size spare wheel, in fact I don't think it will take a spacesaver either, since there is no provision for any holding down bolt, ie no tapped hole to receive the bolt.
I was certainly not told of this change prior to purchase, so I will visiting the d
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Pressed the wrong button again!
Continuing the last sentence,, I will be visiting the dealer first thing in the morning to find out why i was not told.
I have had a full size wheel in the boot for some years and I'm certainly happy about giving it up.
Watch this space!!!
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Kenneve. You don't have to worry if you press the wrong button. Just "Modify" the original, to correct any mistakes.
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Ha! So I’m not the only one, then! It’s a comfort to know.
Where do we stand with this? I did sign a fair amount of paperwork when I collected the car and I’m thinking that there may be some small print in there I’m not going to like.
It appears that the dealers may have been kept in the dark, too, though I note that Kenneve has been told that his is a 2020 model. My dealers now have a car identical to mine in the showroom but, guess what, it has a full size well. . We all have different preferences. Where there’s an option we should be told. They were certainly keen enough to tell me about all the other gubbings I’m never going to use!
Go for it, Kenneve.
PS. And, another thing, where has the space gone? It must be hiding underneath the car. What’s the use of that? If it was still in the car anyone not wanting a spare could use it for muddy, stinky boots. They’ve no imagination!
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Intriguing! Has Honda stealthily introduced a vehicle built on a hybrid-capable platform? (ie that missing space under the boot floor could hold a battery). Or were there some left-over Mk. 3 body shells which were intended to be hybrids (which they've been selling in Asia). Which could mean that the Mk. 4 isn't far away.
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hybrid-honda-jazz-confirmed-2020
MK4 Jazz.
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Ken, Linda. Are your under boot floor areas anything like the attached picture? If so then John is correct and these are hybrid bodyshells. It would make sense to Honda (but not the customers) if they used a single bodyshell variant for all markets in the Mk3 run-out period.
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I am considering rejecting the car as not suitable for me. I had to order the car so didn’t see it until I collected it. Naturally, I expected the car to be the same as the cars in the showroom.
Where do we stand with this? I did sign a fair amount of paperwork when I collected the car and I’m thinking that there may be some small print in there I’m not going to like.
If you're starting to think about rejection, you need to be aware of your rights, eg:
https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/my-new-car-is-faulty-can-i-get-it-fixed-or-claim-a-refund
In your case, the car probably couldn't be considered "faulty" because the issue doesn't prevent it functioning as a car (and in any case it sounds like it was designed and built without the big well). So I suspect any discussion would hinge on whether the car is "as described". If the dealer implied to you before purchase that you could carry a spare wheel in the well, then the car you received is not "as described" so you might have a good case. Whether the dealer would agree that the issue is significant enough to justify rejection would be a moot point.
My dealers now have a car identical to mine in the showroom but, guess what, it has a full size well.
Just a thought, but would you and the dealer entertain the idea of swapping your car for the one he has in stock that meets your needs ? He'll take a loss on that, but it'll be cheaper for him than you rejecting your car outright, plus he'll probably get a happier customer. Maybe worth suggesting to him ?
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No, the well isn’t like the one in the photo. It looks like a normal well with a sloping far end but is very small.
It’s true that I didn’t actually ask whether the new car would have a well for the spare wheel but it was clear to the salesman and other staff around at the time that I do carry one. I even asked whether the spare in my previous Jazz would fit this car and was assured that it would. Sadly, none of this is in writing and I can’t find any reference to it in emails.
Had I been buying the car in the showroom I would have looked over it including the boot but do people do that when collecting a brand new car they have ordered? Should I have done? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I have driven Jazzes for twenty years and Civics before that. My parents drove Hondas. Very disappointed.
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The specifications in the sales brochure for the 2018 Jazz (I think this is the most recent brochure) gives the boot capacity with the rear seats up as 354 litres, including the sub-trunk, so your car cannot meet that specification. However, I suspect there is a disclaimer to allow them to vary the spec. What does your handbook say, (if you've got time to wade through it!)
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I think I may be some time looking through the owner’s manual. Navigating the index is bad enough. Is it called a sub-trunk? I’ll remember that. How do we confirm that it’s not up to spec without filling it with water?
I’ve spoken to the salesman this morning and he agrees that we talked about the spare and that cars in the showroom do have a decent sub trunk. He tells me he is going to speak to Honda for advice as the car isn’t faulty. I did enquire as to whether the car matching mine in the showroom is sold and he said it was but seemed a bit hesitant.
Wonder how Ken’s getting on.
Update. I have downloaded the brochure and, using a very strong magnifying glass, I have found the entry Downsizer is referring to. Apparently, we have to fill the boot with 1 litre sized blocks of wood (VDA method) to see whether it is correct.
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Apparently, we have to fill the boot with 1 litre sized blocks of wood (VDA method) to see hwhether it is correct.
I'm sure you have 354 such blocks readily to hand!
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Right! the official version.
I went into my dealer this morning and spoke to the sales manager. He did not seem aware of any change in specification, neither were his sales staff. So, he sat down and went through a ream paperwork and found a Bulletin document which clearly lists the changes between 19MY vs 20MY vehicles.
One of the changes is:- There is no longer a fixing point for a spare wheel.
This means that any vehicles remaining in the showroom that have the previous deep 'subtrunk' are 19MY vehicles.
Mine is a 20MY vehicle and most of the 'subtrunk' is only 125mm deep.
I guess you could get a spacesaver wheel in, but you would have no means of fixing it down!!
All this got me thinking, "why am I kidding myself", I'm 82, an ex-cancer patient, with a dodgy shoulder joint, i don't think I could change the wheel at the roadside, without help anyway!
The car has 3 years Accident & Breakdown cover, so why am I bothered?
Other than that the car is superb, an improvement on the previous car, EG, it now has a much larger Yuasa battery on board, presumably to cope with the rigours of Stop/Start and all the other gizmos.
So, I have brand new unused Steel spare wheel with a part used tyre, remaining tread around 1.8 - 5mm if anyone wants to make an offer, just PM me.
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I wouldn't dream of changing a wheel by the roadside. I would just call up the RAC and have them come out and do it. If you are on a motorway or busy trunk road, you are strongly advised NOT to try changing a wheel yourself, as you risk death or serious injury in doing so.
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I’ve tried an older spacesaver in the well, Ken, and it’s too big causing the boot liner not to sit properly. Your information is very useful, though, and understand why you are now accepting your car. Jocko’s point taken.
A local garage definitely recommends a spare, though. They know from experience.
I’ve checked the brochure and there is, as suspected by Downsizer, a disclaimer stating that they can make both minor and major changes without notice and that specific preferences must be discussed with the dealer. The salesman admits that he was aware of my preference for the larger sub trunk but was totally unaware of the change in spec. As was everyone else at the sales room and Cox Motor Parts.
Still waiting for the salesman to call back.
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The question remains - why has the floor pan in the Mk 3 Jazz been changed? Perhaps someone ordered the wrong parts in anticipation of the Hybrid only version.
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Perhaps someone thought we needed to get used to the fact that there won't be space under the boot floor for a spare wheel in any of the future Honda models (all to be hybrid or EV by 2025). Or maybe there could be space under the bonnet in the EVs without any engine to get in the way? I'm working on convincing myself that with the gradual but slow improvement in mobile coverage in rural areas then the likelihood of getting stranded and unable to call for help is also shrinking.
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Well folks, if a 2020 model on Jazz can't take a spare wheel then I won't buy one - deal breaker as I don't want to have to buy a new tyre if I get a puncture & mobile coverage rather patchy
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The last part of the Bulletin reads:-
The bullet point relating to the spare wheel is a change made at the factory, as a result of future planning, whereby the spare wheel fixing point will not be available in future Hybrid and Electric models (as in the case on CR-V Hybrid).
So it looks as though John's thoughts on using the space for the Hybrid battery is probably correct and creating a floorpan common to all Jazz models.
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I went into my dealer this morning and spoke to the sales manager. He did not seem aware of any change in specification, neither were his sales staff. So, he sat down and went through a ream paperwork and found a Bulletin document which clearly lists the changes between 19MY vs 20MY vehicles.
This means that any vehicles remaining in the showroom that have the previous deep 'subtrunk' are 19MY vehicles.
Mine is a 20MY vehicle and most of the 'subtrunk' is only 125mm deep.
If this is documented as the 2020 MY Jazz then I think it means that the Mk. 4's arrival here isn't imminent. Perhaps in the dealers in August 2020 (ie another year from now) which would be 5 years after the Mk. 3 arrived here but one can't exclude even later in the year.
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IIRC The MK 3 arrived in UK about 18 months after launch in Japan.
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I wouldn't dream of changing a wheel by the roadside. I would just call up the RAC and have them come out and do it. If you are on a motorway or busy trunk road, you are strongly advised NOT to try changing a wheel yourself, as you risk death or serious injury in doing so.
I thought about this and the person above who is above a certain age. It's the inconvenience of the flat. BUT on a busy road am I going to be faffing with a jack/wheel nuts etc when the Honda Assist or RAC could do it? I certainly wouldn't on the hard shoulder.
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I wouldn't dream of changing a wheel by the roadside. I would just call up the RAC and have them come out and do it. If you are on a motorway or busy trunk road, you are strongly advised NOT to try changing a wheel yourself, as you risk death or serious injury in doing so.
I've seen people trying to change a wheel in some pretty stupid places.
If you have no choice but to change a wheel on the motorway hard shoulder yourself, you must contact the control centre via the nearest emergency telephone first. As soon as a highways traffic officer or Police vehicle is available, they will attend to offer what protection they can.
I have seen offers through Groupon for a year of very basic breakdown cover for £17.50. Of course, the coverage is dismal, and there's a great deal of sense in having a more comprehensive recovery subscription, but I would think anything is better than nothing. What's your life worth?
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You will be lucky to find a hard shoulder soon, they are disappearing from UK motorways and being replaced by small bays about a mile or more apart .. they call them smart motorways, how can the motorway be smart when the idea is so dumb ?
Something like this is useful to carry in the car, especially in our dark winter weather... there are lots of things like this around at various prices....
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Emergency-Roadside-Flashing-Worklight-Magnetic/dp/B07CG5RY59?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B07CG5RY59&th=1
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You will be lucky to find a hard shoulder soon, they are disappearing from UK motorways and being replaced by small bays about a mile or more apart .. they call them smart motorways, how can the motorway be smart when the idea is so dumb ?
Absolutely agree. There's a couple of stretches on very busy parts of the M1 near me, I don't like them at all.
If you break down in the carriageway on one of these 'smart' motorways, you need to get everybody as far away from the car as possible. Just google 'smart motorway deaths', some of the stories are truly shocking.
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You will be lucky to find a hard shoulder soon, they are disappearing from UK motorways and being replaced by small bays about a mile or more apart .. they call them smart motorways, how can the motorway be smart when the idea is so dumb ?
Absolutely agree. There's a couple of stretches on very busy parts of the M1 near me, I don't like them at all.
If you break down in the carriageway on one of these 'smart' motorways, you need to get everybody as far away from the car as possible. Just google 'smart motorway deaths', some of the stories are truly shocking.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/26/uks-smart-motorways-to-be-reviewed-after-increase-in-near-misses
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Smart motorways on Panorama tomorrow, BBC1 8.30PM.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dtqv
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Smart motorways on Panorama tomorrow, BBC1 8.30PM.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dtqv
Just watched that.
Scary biscuits!
More here
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/cars/shockingly-careless-smart-motorway-roll-out-has-cost-lives-say-mps-1377363