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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: JazzyB on February 19, 2016, 05:22:59 PM
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My jazz is coming up to 9 years old and is still on its original exhaust with 45k miles so far.
Anyone still on their original exhaust?
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Year 2004, 95.000 KMs under the belt, original exhaust.
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Just got rid of a 56 plate 1.4se with 48500 on the clock, had it when it was just over 2 and that was still on its original exhaust.
Had it mot in January passed with no advisories.
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Just trading in my 9 year old CR-V with nearly 120K on the clock. Original exhaust and never replaced a light bulb.
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187000 miles, everything original except ONE sidelight bulb and the battery (damaged cell), but on a 61 reg Jazz.
208,000 miles, now blown THREE sidelight bulbs ! !
226,000 miles, still just the three sidelight bulbs
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187000 miles, everything original except ONE sidelight bulb and the battery (damaged cell), but on a 61 reg Jazz.
Very impressive. That will take some beating.
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I'm old enough to remember when you seemed to be replacing exhausts every 2 years or so. Can't remember when I last had to do so.
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I think exhausts used to be made of cheap recycled cans, but now exhausts have expensive catalytic converters in them the metal is a bit more substantial.
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I think exhausts used to be made of cheap recycled cans, but now exhausts have expensive catalytic converters in them the metal is a bit more substantial.
no VW exhausts dont last past 5 years but my civic never had a replacement when i had it over 8 years and my jazz is 5 and still perfect
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My Mk1 Jazz still has its original exhaust. It is nearly 12 years old and has done 147,000 miles.
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My dad had a hrv and had the original exhaust for 13 years
Was about 110000 miles
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When you check the weight and quality (heavy aluminium coated steel, spring loaded ball and socket expansion joint at the front) of Honda original exhaust against the normal ones supplied by Quik-Quid (sorry quikfix) and their like you can see why they last so long, another thing is that the CAT has made the exhaust fumes and condensate less corrosive than they were in pre-cat days. Cheap ones tend to have a swivelly joint at the front (to allow it to line up) that goes solid once bolted up, and is normally bedded in with some kind of cement to stop exhaust gas leaking out.
Only comparable ones are stuff like Bosal, just like car batteries if you buy by weight you can't go wrong.
what kind of exhaust you fit when one does break is normally down to how much warning you had (they sometimes sound a bit blowy or 'chuffy' for a while before they finally let go and you have time to get it looked at and order a decent one, otherwise if you get caught out away from home or if you don't intend to keep the car you end up with quick / cheap 2 year guarantee one.
The one on my first Civic broke on a weld between pipe and first back box because of a pothole shocking it at about 8 years, don't know how long it would have lasted otherwise. My wifes first Jazz exhaust went at about 10 years, but only the back section.
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Bought our 12 plate EX Jazz in October last year. Had it for two whole weeks, before I had a large bore stainless steel system fitted by "Longlife" in Basingstoke. Guaranteed for life.
Reason, I've always had problems over the years with various car exhaust systems. Except a Citroen 24V XM. That was stainless as standard. So, as I intend to keep this car, maybe my last one in fact.
Wanted to know the exhaust wasn't going to fall off, as per our last 56 plate Jazz. Very noisey, and just a little embarrassing....
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Still going after 9 years and 70k.
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Mine's 54 plate. Mid section went on it a couple of months ago. Replaced with a cheap one for £60 including labour. I have access to some "really"back street garages. They don't want to fit expensive stuff even if you request them. Always talk you into buying the cheap stuff.
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My next door neighbour bought my old 52 plate Civic off me which I had from new, he informs me that it still has the same exhaust which is its original.
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380,000 km - 2003 , not a problem with exhaust , as far as I'm aware all it has ever needed was a few lightbulbs, they made me change about 20euros worth of brakepipes tho recently but turned out to be just a bit of surface rust and wasn't actually necessary.
oh and it has droplinks changed that's it, a few lightbulbs and droplinks in 380k km.
..and a whole new rear boot lid when some ********** drove in my back recently, still going strong however I believe the thing that will kill it will be rust in next 4-5years.
I have started to think about new(used) car, but when I test drive other cars the jazz feels the most economical/practical/cheapest to run of all cars in the world...
I pay 40euros a YEAR to insure it / 35euros a year to Tax it & with LPG installed it costs me 3.30euro to do 100km or equivalent of 85-90mpg in petrol costs...Now show me a better car than that? an Mk2 perhaps.. but no1 will buy my old jazz with 380k on the clock so probably just have to drive it till it dies...whenever that happens :'(
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03 Jazz 215,000km and original exhaust
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187000 miles, everything original except ONE sidelight bulb and the battery (damaged cell), but on a 61 reg Jazz.
I was trying to find out where you got to as your signature was last updated at 145,000. 188 is down right superb! Fantastic!
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Hellfords replaced my original exhaust and catalytic converter in November. (2006 Jazz 60K) There had been a slight blow on the exhaust, but they told me Honda catalytic converters only last 10 years, so best to get the whole lot done. (Yes, I know ... but there's no emoji for a dunce's cap.)
Two months later, engine warning light came on. The replacement (was a Klarius) catalytic converter had to be replaced. No idea what the new one is, but Hellfords also replaced the original Honda 02 sensors as they "weren't compatible" with the new catalytic converter.
10 days after 2nd replacement cat installed, engine warning light came on again. Same code P0420. Now in (rather a one-way) "negotiation".
Last time, Code P0444 came on while Hellfords were working on it. I'm trying to find out what they did to "fix" that, in case that's still an issue.
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Maybe they didn't fix it. Maybe they just reset it!
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My backbox fell off on the way home from London a week or so ago. I took it to a Wilco fast fit which I have used a few times over the years and they are really good and honest. They have helped me out a couple of times. Even replaced a rubber grommet on my punto for free.
I got a new back box for £50 fitted. They did say that mid section is rusting a lot but didn't need doing yet so it might last a bit longer.
I think it's was the original exhaust but I am not 100% sure
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Mine is a 2007 with 49k and the exhaust has just started blowing behind the silencer behind the drivers door, so not for much longer. :(
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MARYMCK
I sympathise with you. Not shortly after getting our Jazz, nearly three yrs.' ago I decided to replace the CAT as it looked rusty and the other parts of the system has holes in it, u could heat the deep throat..
Anyway.
The first CAT and system was replaced and same code as you appeared after it was installed, bought a device to read output and as the garage who fitted the exhaust wouldn't accept the CAT and system was failed so had to get a full diagnostics on exhaust system (from different garage). Had to replace the O2 sensors which were originals on car to persuade that there was still something wrong with the exhaust system.
They decided to replace the CAT and no more issues there...
Pain the back that was.
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How much are people paying for these cats? I was under the impression they were expensive. But people seem to be getting through them quickly when using an aftermarket one.
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Scrap value of an original cat ~£50, replacements ~£0 that must indicate something. Clinging on to mine for dear life (rusty joint flange, loose heat shield).
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TG
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... Mine cost £100 ;D maybe.
But as I have heard of eye watering cost of new cats from Honda dealers it's worth it for a car that's worth less than £1000 sometimes.
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costs 2pounds and it's magic stuff,just putting it out there, I had a possible bill of 140 for a new exhaust when all was needed was patching up a hole where it blew.
(http://i1.adis.ws/i/washford/741504?w=637&h=403)
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A few have had their rear box fail by the mid to rear connection suddenly breaking, no blowing prior to this. Unfortunately the back box is only supported at the rear so when this happens the pipe hits the road and acting like a jousters lance ready to catch in a pot hole and push the whole lot out the back.
The pipe to joint flange and pipe to box connections look like the most likely places to fail. One thing to check on any replacement is that they don't bolt up the rear flange tight, it's supposed to move with a fibre washer and sprung bolts; anything else could cause unwanted stresses.
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TG
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My 53 plate 76k 1.4 developed a very sudden extremely loud noise the other day when my wife was driving to work. A quick check showed that the middle section had completely parted company with the first expansion box, hence the racket.
Took it to a local tyre /exhaust place who quoted £85 to replace the middle section, so left it with them, but the next day got a phone call saying that they didn't want to touch it as they had taken a look at the state of the bolts connecting the middle section to the cat flange and were basically "chickening out", worrying that I wouldn't be too happy at shelling out for a new cat ... and they were probably right.
He seemed to think that all it needed was to be re-welded and recommended a guy with a small workshop who turned out to be excellent at his job. We both took a look and I was very surprised to find that the metal was still bright on the inside, and that effectively it was the weld that had cracked rather than the pipe that had rotted out.
A quick dressing with a grinder and 20 minutes with a mig welder resulted in a very quiet exhaust again, with a much bigger weld fillet to stop it happening again.
He also knew exactly how to get the flange bolts sorted if it needed doing in the future, but reckoned that the exhaust was good for a few years yet, and having seen the good condidtion of the metal once the light surface rust is brushed off, I tend to agree with him.
There's no doubt that Honda original exhausts are quality items ..... 14 years old and still strong.
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2007, 70000 miles, still original exhaust.
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I just had to replace the middle box after 11 years and 90K+. Unfortunately it was inseparable from catalytic converter, so I replaced that as well.
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I changed my catalyser at 130K km. I couldn't find a replacing part, so the mechanic adapted a brand new Renaults catalyser in 10minutes :o.
he cut it of after the oxygen sensor in order to keep the sensor intact, and cut the renaults one the same way, then he linked the filter part with the honda's oxygen part and Voilá. Brand new catalyser! already passed the pollution test!
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My Jazz year is 2002 and 90k miles.
The center box is original but have replaced the rear box twice now,
both times failed at the same place,
where the exhaust pipe connects to the rear silencer.
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.... both times failed at the same place, where the exhaust pipe connects to the rear silencer.
Make sure garage has not bolted the rear and middle sections tightly together, there should be a flexible joint made with spring bolts and a large fibre 'donut'. If it can't flex then it is more likely to fail at a welded joint.
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TG
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The original Honda exhausts used to have (still may have, but I have had no need to look ) a 'spring loaded ball and socket joint' to allow exhaust to flex and not stress the welds, but cheap and cheerful aftermarket ones tend to get a much simpler flat flange and a bit of exhaust putty and bolted up tightly, so they can't flex and normally fail just after the 18 / 24 month guarantee runs out. The original exhausts easily last 10+ years, maybe less on low annual cars where the exhaust gasses condense in the exhaust and never get hot enough to dry out, so they rot from the inside. It is not a bad idea to drill a small small hole (no larger than 3mm ) at lowest point of exhaust boxes to allow any condensed acidic water to get blown out.
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The original Honda exhausts used to have (still may have, but I have had no need to look ) a 'spring loaded ball and socket joint' to allow exhaust to flex and not stress the welds, but cheap and cheerful aftermarket ones tend to get a much simpler flat flange and a bit of exhaust putty and bolted up tightly, so they can't flex and normally fail just after the 18 / 24 month guarantee runs out. The original exhausts easily last 10+ years, maybe less on low annual cars where the exhaust gasses condense in the exhaust and never get hot enough to dry out, so they rot from the inside. It is not a bad idea to drill a small small hole (no larger than 3mm ) at lowest point of exhaust boxes to allow any condensed acidic water to get blown out.
Interesting. I was talking to a Honda 'tech' today who told me that Honda exhausts usually have a litte hole drilled in them for precisely the reason you mention.