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Karoq

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Chinese EV Tsunami
« on: September 16, 2023, 04:51:13 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66820791
What I've been saying for at least a year
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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2023, 08:06:52 PM »
They're definitely coming. Gathering traction in badge obsessed UK is going to be the biggest hurdle imho. I just don't see a BYD logo having the same cachet as four rings or a three pointed star etc for those that value image so much.

Faisal's article contained some new knowledge for me. "BYD are on course to overtake Tesla as the world's biggest producer of electric vehicles this year", and Warren Buffet is backing them. That's big.

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2023, 09:42:01 PM »

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2023, 09:47:41 PM »
BYD is the biggest supplier of electric bus chassis to the UK. All the Alexander Dennis Enviro buses are built on BYD chassis.

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2023, 06:54:17 AM »
They're definitely coming. Gathering traction in badge obsessed UK is going to be the biggest hurdle imho. I just don't see a BYD logo having the same cachet as four rings or a three pointed star etc for those that value image so much.

They will solve that in the way they do with so many other  products..    1) The western brands  increasingly struggle to compete on price unless they shift production to China.
  2) and /or  China takes an increasing shareholding in western companies until its Chinese owned and controlled.   
3 and/or  They wait til a  well  known  western company goes bust because it cannot compete against Chinese made products then buy the rights to the brand name, and can claim its long history and past reputation as their own  .

At stages 1 and 2  the product may not suffer.  China can make things well if it has to make them to a certain quality/design standard.  . But the writing is on the wall for the future.
Stage 3, they can churn out poorly designed products cheaply and market them with a once respected trade name.  They may for instance own the rights to several  once famous oil filter brands  ,and will market the same filter using whichever branding is best known in  the target market  . (or the same filter as a cheapo 'no name'  ) Legal because they own the brand.         And then of course there are the fakes of brands they dont own.          Even chinese owned products get faked by other chinese makers  if they can undercut on quality and price. 
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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2023, 11:45:37 AM »
3 and/or  They wait til a  well  known  western company goes bust because it cannot compete against Chinese made products then buy the rights to the brand name, and can claim its long history and past reputation as their own  .
Volvo being a case in point. Zhejiang Geely Holding Group have owned them for years. I refer to them as Vino's - Volvo In Name Only.

Volvo are to stop selling estate cars too. What is the world coming to when Volvo estates have gone and Audi have ended TT production to focus on SUv's?

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2023, 11:29:45 AM »
It is what the car buyers want. Manufacturers only make what sells.

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2023, 12:00:43 PM »
Oh I know, it's just that I thnk cars all look the same these days. Add in that 80% of cars are monochromatic.....yawn. Good video here...


Back to EV's though. According the recent figures August '23 EV sales are +72.3% to 17,243 compared to last August. https://www.whatcar.com/best/biggest-selling-cars/n17053

 


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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2023, 01:54:16 PM »
I always had coloured cars.







But now I have a boring one.





And it doesn't get dirty.......

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2023, 02:17:48 PM »
It does get dirty , but just doesnít show it as much 😂😂 ;D

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2023, 09:13:47 PM »
Silver is the best colour for keeping clean. Period. For various reasons my Jazz hasn't been cleaned in 2 months, shame on me, but it still looks clean from the other side of the road!

Brilliant photos Jocko. I've have 3 Saabs. '88 Red 900i 4dr man, '89 White 9000 Turbo16 5dr man and '08 9-3 1.9TiD Vector Sport auto in black, cream heated leather. Always was a fan of Saab cars.

Vx Carlton. Had the 1.8 base manual in pale blue. Paid buttons for it and ran for a few months.

Brightest colour cars were my Bamboo green '79 Citroen Dyane and a bright yellow '78 one. My CX was beige with the beigest interior of any car ever. So early 80's. Few bright red Fords and a couple of red Renaults. Nothing crazy bold.

You know, I was watching an old TopGear the other day from the early naugthies when Clarkson took a Lupo TDi round the M25 for economy purposes. The roads were filled with regular hatch backs and saloons in loads of different colour. Only the odd proper 4x4 in sight. These days, monocrhome bland boxes looking the same.

As you say, they make what sells. Families used to be quite happy in an Escort or Golf weighing <1000kg. These days they all 'need' >1500kg SUV's. Groan.  :D

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2023, 11:05:07 PM »
Ironically , I have had silver Hondas and I do agree donít look dirty, but the best car I had for that was a wonderful pearlescent white Lexus LS 430. It always looked clean and fantastic paint finish. I will always regret selling that car as I didnít really need to Ö heyho move on.

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Re: Chinese EV Tsunami
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2023, 05:46:49 AM »
I also regretted changing my IS200 for a 2007 iShift Civic

The Civic looked good and the list of toys dragged me in. If I'd only taken a test drive I'd have waited for the full auto in 2009

My Montrose Blue IS200 had very delicate paint and I was touching in chips almost weekly.
Let's be careful out there !

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