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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: alboy on October 18, 2016, 06:26:05 PM
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This is my wish list for the Jazz Mk3 revision when it comes not necessarily in order of importance.
1. More powerful engine with better acceleration a turbo would help.
2. Larger fuel tank another 10litres would make all the difference.
3. The option to switch off the auto lighting which is available with some other Honda models.
4. Just having to press OK once on the infotainment unit and not every time you start the car.
5. A spare wheel as standard along with a jack.
6.Centralise the rear windscreen wiper to increase the cleared area.
7.The option to have a power outlet in the boot.
8.Free lifetime updates for the satnav considering separate units less than half the price include free updates for life.
9.The option for a built in dash cam front and rear although no other manufacturer to date offers this, they are certainly missing a golden opportunity considering the big increase in dash cams.
10.Bring back the chiller box on the passenger side like the Mk2 Jazz
11. Improve the handbrake it is still below par when compared with other cars.
This is not a complete list but feel free to add your own.
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Some interesting thoughts, but a below par handbrake, I have to disagree with that. I have the CVT and my car does not move with the handbrake on even on a downhill slope.
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1) some more efficient headlights: LED or Xenon or almost a double function halogen projector.
2) android auto in the infotainment system, just to install alternative satnav apps
3) larger fuel tank, almost 5 litres...
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Some good ideas. Here are mine:
1. A proper, open, Android based infotainment system. Just get Marshmallow running on the damn thing and let us treat it like any normal Android based smartphone. Apart from not being able to carry it in our pocket of course :D
And don't require me to keep clicking a stupid button every time I drive.
2. Bring back (as an accessory if they have to) the Mk2's boot floor and carpeted spare wheel well.
3. Bring back wing mirrors that can rotate far enough to let you see the curb when reversing.
4. Idle stop on the CVT should not require me to keep my foot brake pressed if I'm in neutral.
5. Optional front/rear dash cams.
6. More customisable driver info display. Give us more flexibility to choose what components we want to display. If I want fuel consumption, temp and miles left in the tank let me have them. Don't force me to accept fixed combinations.
7. Move the internal indicator lights to the top of the dash. That way they won't be obscured by the steering wheel.
8. Bring back the HFT voice control. Sure it was a bit annoying but at least you could dial a number just by pressing a button on the steering wheel. (Someone please tell me if i'm missing something on the Mk3 but as far as I can tell all you can do is attach audio snippets to numbers in your address book and can only 'dial' those numbers hands free).
I think that's about it really :)
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Am I missing something, but why do you have to press OK on the infotainment screen every time you start the car? If you leave it the screen goes off after a few seconds. Why do you need the infotainment screen on all the time?
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Couldn't agree more with the wish lists posted, but unfortunately because its Honda you have just added about £2k to the list price.
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I was thinking along the same lines, it would make the jazz even less competitive in the supermini class. Not everyone is a jazz fanatic that would buy it at any price.
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I was thinking along the same lines, it would make the jazz even less competitive in the supermini class. Not everyone is a jazz fanatic that would buy it at any price.
The money has to go somewhere. I for one am glad that Honda concentrate on making the mechanical bits reliable and efficient (after all a car with a an engine that won't run is just an expensive roadside or driveway ornament - no matter if it has pretty headlights or a infotainment system to die for). Think French cars, that's what I am thinking :o
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Am I missing something, but why do you have to press OK on the infotainment screen every time you start the car? If you leave it the screen goes off after a few seconds. Why do you need the infotainment screen on all the time?
As it stands that means you don't have any visible clock (except at night when it's just possible to see the dimmed out time in the top right). You can get the time displayed on the smaller dash screen but only if you switch off cruise control but it has to be 'off' not just 'inactive' (and does anyone ever bothers to actually switch it off?). An alternative would be not to dim out the top line or display a proper clock on the screen.
But I'd rather flip the question back round to you and ask what is gained by me clicking a button on the screen? I'm an adult. I took a driving test. I am well aware who is responsible if I crash the vehicle. Clicking a stupid button (one that requires concentration to actually touch properly) means nothing.I was thinking along the same lines, it would make the jazz even less competitive in the supermini class. Not everyone is a jazz fanatic that would buy it at any price.
Easily solved. Make most of them options or for higher models only. And I'm not sure if my suggestions would add much cost.
1. Would probably be cheaper. Instead of paying Pioneer to produce a lobotomised, defective, customised head unit just buy an off the shelf LCD screen and Android host hardware. Job done. Probably make it less attractive to thieves as well.
2. The old boot floor just needs a modification to the design. Admittedly there would be a cost here as the old well cover is well built and the extra carpet in the well adds to it. But still - make it an accessory and that's a none-issue.
3. No cost. Just modify the gearing/motor assembly. Likely due to be redesigned anyway.
4. Yes, this would add cost. And there might be a good reason for the current design - it seems common on automatics with idle stop :-/
5. Maybe no cost. There's already cameras in place. The rear camera already has a feed to the infotainment unit. Route the forward facing camera there then let the Android system handle recording.
6. Yes, there's cost here. Although maybe they could connect it to the infotainment system as a second screen and let Android drive it. Still, it'd need some software work to provide the kind of customisation I want. Then again if they go with properly open Android any fool should be able to do that.
7. No cost. They will be redesigning the dash anyway.
8. See (1) - no cost :)
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Am I missing something, but why do you have to press OK on the infotainment screen every time you start the car? If you leave it the screen goes off after a few seconds. Why do you need the infotainment screen on all the time?
I don't press the OK on the if I crash the car its my fault screen either. I turn it on if I need it for anything.
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Some likely, some extremely unlikely:
1) More engine options: 1.0l turbo, hybrid (exists in Japan), 1.5l turbo type-R, full electric with 200mile+ range :)
2) Android Auto and Apple CarPlay support
3) ability to record the built in cameras
4) Sliding rear seats - I don't need the massive rear legroom, but would like more boot space
5) Rear parcel shelf flap to cover the whole boot space, when the rear seats are not fully reclined there is a gap, this would be even worse if the seats could slide
6) Fully autonomous drive mode :)
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Am I missing something, but why do you have to press OK on the infotainment screen every time you start the car? If you leave it the screen goes off after a few seconds. Why do you need the infotainment screen on all the time?
Yes you are missing something! Fuel consumption data, clock, radio station info, CD track info? Obviously no-one needs to have the screen on all the time, but I would certainly like to have the option. I suspect it is a legal requirement to show the warning.
Also, not quite sure about this, but don't think the phone handsfree options work without it on..
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Yes you are missing something! Fuel consumption data, clock, radio station info, CD track info? Obviously no-one needs to have the screen on all the time, but I would certainly like to have the option. I suspect it is a legal requirement to show the warning.
Also, not quite sure about this, but don't think the phone handsfree options work without it on..
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Spot on Mike and yes it is a legal requirement to display a warning.......
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Rear parcel shelf flap to cover the whole boot space, when the rear seats are not fully reclined there is a gap, this would be even worse if the seats could slide
That gap is not necessarily a bad thing, it assists the air flow through the boot to the air outlets behind the rear bumper.
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Oh! Well we don't use satnav, cd, radio, clock, cruise control or fuel consumption data on the big screen. It makes you wonder why we got the one with all the toys.
I must admit on my other car I like to have the map showing with speed limits, and on this I don't have to acknowledge the warning message each time just let it time out.
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That gap is not necessarily a bad thing, it assists the air flow through the boot to the air outlets behind the rear bumper.
Perhaps, but it doesn't hide what is in the boot particularly well and looks like the shelf fits badly if the seat is in the upright position. If the seat could slide forward a little this would be even more apparent.
With a flap you could have the option to open it if you want the increased airflow.
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The flaps on the Mk 2 were annoying because of the press stud fastening, but they were a useful place to store an umbrella etc. I can't imagine they obstructed any airflow - there was plenty of space round them. If they had been fitted with Velcro, as the Yaris used, they would have been much easier to fasten.
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My wish list:
Louder parking sensors, without a few second delay before they work
Full size spare and cover (bought the former, made the latter)
A clutch that doesn't judder
A gear change that doesn't take huge effort to select a gear
A dealer that wants to fix problems
A floor covering that has some affiliation with carpet
A bit more oomph and an engine that actually wants to rev (like a VW or Ford triple)
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Louder proximity warnings are a good idea. Mine go mental when I drive into my garage but sometimes I can't hear them over the radio.
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Dare I suggest one that is painted all over. Ours is an early one and it's not painted behind the fuel cap or under the bonnet.
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Louder parking sensors because they can't be heard over the radio!!!!? Do I need to say anymore?
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Louder parking sensors because they can't be heard over the radio!!!!? Do I need to say anymore?
I think we know where you are coming from ::) how about 100watt speakers on parking sensors, maybe they should have an off switch and volume control on the radio, Oh they have :o
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Louder parking sensors because they can't be heard over the radio!!!!? Do I need to say anymore?
Yes, you do. The proximity alarms are not very loud. I can comfortably hold a conversation with other people in my vehicle when my radio is on. I haven't tried but I'm pretty sure the alarms would be drowned out by normal voices.
A lot of people drive everywhere with music or other audio playing. Are you saying you expect people to switch their radio off when parking? Or are you saying that those you listen to it while driving through traffic are not entitled to the protection it provides?
Please, do explain why you consider having proximity alarms that cannot easily be heard is acceptable.
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I can easily hear (and see) mine with the radio on at volume 14, which is quite loud enough for me. If I have passengers then I need to turn the radio down from that setting.
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Sounds to me like some people want the technology to do it all for them, so perhaps Mr Honda should make the radio mute automatically when the proximity alarm sounds?!?!?
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I can easily hear (and see) mine with the radio on at volume 14, which is quite loud enough for me. If I have passengers then I need to turn the radio down from that setting.
That's higher than I have my volume set but it depends on the source.
In any case I just went out into the garage and used a sound meter app on my phone. Now obviously the absolute readings can't be trusted as we don't know how well calibrated it is. But we can reasonably rely on the relative values it reports so here goes:
Sitting in the car in the garage with nothing switched on: ~40db.
With me talking in a normal voice: ~75db.
With the radio and engine on (actually playing from my iPod): ~65db.
With just the parking sensors (easy to trigger from inside a garage) and engine going : ~50db.
With just the engine running: ~50db.
So the proximity alarms are so quiet that the sound meter doesn't register an obvious difference when they are on. It also doesn't help that one of the alarms is quite high pitched.
If you want to repeat the experiment and have an Android phone here is the link:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kr.sira.sound&hl=en_GB
Incidentally it registers ~30db in my lounge when I'm quiet and ~45db when I'm typing on my laptop. So the proximity alarms are not much louder than my typing. That's too quiet. Now personally I can live without proximity alarms as about the only time they go off is when I park in the garage. But since they were included in the price of the vehicle I don't see why it's unreasonable to expect to be able to hear them over other sounds.
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Sounds to me like some people want the technology to do it all for them, so perhaps Mr Honda should make the radio mute automatically when the proximity alarm sounds?!?!?
Yes, why not? Either the proximity alarms are worth hearing or else they are a stupid gimmic that 'Mr Honda' should not have bothered adding to the vehicle and that we should not have been forced to pay for. Muting the radio if it's playing (and even better routing the audio over the infotainment system) sounds like a very good way to draw the driver's attention to them.
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Well this little lot proves one thing,
"You can't please all the people all of the time".
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Well this little lot proves one thing,
"You can't please all the people all of the time".
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I am surprised that they bought a Jazz, plenty of of other cars out there, the Suzuki Baleno is better equipped, has a turbo engine, and is cheaper than the Jazz.
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It's all well and good saying they are quiet and having a db meter app tell you how loud something is. But at what frequency is it being measured at?
An engine idle will have a considerably lower frequency than an alarm. The higher pitched alarm would be easier to hear so wouldn't need to be any louder than the engine.
For example bass amp manufactures will quote 100~dB at say 1watt at 1 meter at 100hz but there is a range from 30hz to 22khz that most people can hear between, so what about the rest of the range?
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I think the sound meter will measure the average sound energy level over a short period of time. The proximity alarm is intermittent, with more silence than sound, so the alarm effect is substantially greater than the sound meter would suggest. It is very clearly audible above normal speech on the radio.
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It is very clearly audible above normal speech on the radio.
As are mine, you must have either a defective alarm noisemaker or ears.
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It's all well and good saying they are quiet and having a db meter app tell you how loud something is. But at what frequency is it being measured at
Not relevant. It is quieter than two people holding a normal conversation. Hence why I consider that wishing it were louder seems reasonable.
It is very clearly audible above normal speech on the radio.
I don't listen to conversations on the radio. I listen to music and music utilises a broader and more complex range of frequencies. It also has fewer quiet gaps in which a quieter sound could be heard. Differentiating a relative quiet 'beep beep' from louder music is not easy. Personally I wish Honda hadn't bothered with it all and had reduced the purchase price of the car instead. But if we have to have a proximity alarm then it should at least be clearly audible. So whilst it's not on my personal wishlist it's a suggestion that I agree with, making it a bit louder would be an improvement to the Jazz.
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I run my radio at volume 10, you are never in any doubt of a proximity alarm sounding.
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I run my radio at volume 10, you are never in any doubt of a proximity alarm sounding.
I to run my radio and CD player between 10-12 volume setting, proximity alarms are easily discernible.
For me if I needed the radio to be any louder I would certainly take steps to get my hearing checked out.
No doubt we have all pulled up behind someone and listened to their music above all the surrounding traffic noise, they cannot be aware of anything going on around them can they?
[/quote]Yes, why not? Either the proximity alarms are worth hearing or else they are a stupid gimmic that 'Mr Honda' should not have bothered adding to the vehicle and that we should not have been forced to pay for.
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I often drive my sons' Toyota and the sensors on that operate at the same noise level as my Jazz, which leads me to suggest that its probably no different to other cars proximity sensors.
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Louder proximity warnings are a good idea. Mine go mental when I drive into my garage but sometimes I can't hear them over the radio.
I am not suggesting that you drive into your garage at high speed but have you checked the setting of the auto speed volume control?
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Louder proximity warnings are a good idea. Mine go mental when I drive into my garage but sometimes I can't hear them over the radio.
I am not suggesting that you drive into your garage at high speed but have you checked the setting of the auto speed volume control?
They've been left at the default. I'm not listening to loud music. I play music such that it's below the level of normal conversation. The problem is that the proximity alarms are even quieter, probably exacerbated by them being short and mostly high frequency.
And I still think some of you are getting too worked up about this. It's a wishlist. Just some things that some of us would like to see done differently. Arguing about whether the alarms are loud enough is like starting an argument because someone's list included wanting a pink steering wheel. It's not a criticism - just a personal observation. If some of you have better hearing acuity then good for you. I'm a bit surprised because I had my ears tested earlier this year and they were fine apart from a congenital issue that has no bearing here.
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Actually I have another item to add to my wishlist:
* Independent volume levels for each source.
I used my satnav for the first time yesterday with my new phone. Unfortunately the volume level it produces over Bluetooh is a lot lower than my iPod over USB. So when I switched back to the iPod I was nearly deafened. Unfortunately it doesn't look like I can change the iPod volume when it's connected by USB :-/
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Only 600 miles on the clock but I notice how hard the suspension is over bad potholes and seams at slowish speeds.
For a car designed for the older driver this seems an odd characteristic as it is fine on good surfaces and very comfortable. The 16 inch wheels may make a difference of course. BUT is it really designed for the older driver ?
I don't think so. The car has big market in Asia where it is popular with young drivers. So sportier suspension
and excellent cornering make sense. Indeed i have started to throw it about a bit, something i would never have done in my previous soft suspension Corolla which seemed less grippy when cornering.
I also like the higher driving position in the Jazz..
So change the suspension to a softer setting ? Not sure !
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Your right the suspension is not as soft as other makes, but my previous car to the EX was a 1.4Si and you felt everything in that. So for me the comfort factor has gone up, however om some of the Kent roads you still know you've done the journey so to speak.
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Only 600 miles on the clock but I notice how hard the suspension is over bad potholes and seams at slowish speeds.
Lol, you should have tried the Mk2 or Mk1 Sport. The Mk3 is quite a bit better in that respect.
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For a car designed for the older driver this seems an odd characteristic ... BUT is it really designed for the older driver ?
Don't think that's the case. The Jazz seems to have had an image problem in the UK as an "old people's car", but I can't think of any logical reason why that should be so or any specific design intent on Honda's part to aim only at that market. In fact the only TV advert I've seen seems to emphasise the active lifestyle of the target market. If anything I suspect the generation old enough to qualify for a bus pass (not me, yet!) may be put off by the complexity of the touch screen.
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The car has big market in Asia where it is popular with young drivers.
Also the USA, the UK is a tiny market in comparison, big changes for us would not be cost effective so are unlikely. In general we get what the main markets want.
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Only 600 miles on the clock but I notice how hard the suspension is over bad potholes and seams at slowish speeds.
The EX is worse in this respect than the S or SE because the bigger wheels have skinnier tyres so there is less flexible rubber between the car and the road. I've failed, so far, to understand why the manufacturers (not just Honda) think this is a good idea.
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Smaller wheels was one reason that I bought an SE. I have been down the big wheel, low profile tyre route, rarely as comfortable as smaller wheels.
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The EX is worse in this respect than the S or SE because the bigger wheels have skinnier tyres so there is less flexible rubber between the car and the road. I've failed, so far, to understand why the manufacturers (not just Honda) think this is a good idea.
The entire wheels have the same diameter, both 15' than 16'.
EX look sportier and have better drive feeling, but a worst comfort.
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Only 600 miles on the clock but I notice how hard the suspension is over bad potholes and seams at slowish speeds.
The EX is worse in this respect than the S or SE because the bigger wheels have skinnier tyres so there is less flexible rubber between the car and the road. I've failed, so far, to understand why the manufacturers (not just Honda) think this is a good idea.
Lower profile tyres are totally unnecessary on normal or low performance cars, we have less choice and they cost more to replace, give the suspension and car occupants a harder time and can be firmly put in the 'fashion statement' category. My wifes MK2 Si is more comfortable with 175/65 R15 winter tyres on than with standard 185/55 R16 and I'm happy that suspension parts are getting less shock loading. But as Deeps rightly points out, we are a pretty small market in Honda 'World Car' designs so we get stuff that sells in other countries.
I'm mystified why Honda does not have a better market in UK and Europe - apart from the initial purchase price they need very little expenditure afterwards and once people have owned a Honda they seem to stick with them, but if you are a younger person who is always looking for 'styling and gadgets' that does not mean much, especially with PCP where people can have a trendy new reg car every few years and probably get stuck with same manufacturer because final payment is too large so they roll over / part exchange to another PCP with same company.
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Honda do themselves no favours in the UK, for example my daughter wants to replace the aging FRV family bus. She wants another Honda, it would be her fourth, but Honda don't sell anything similar to the FRV. I am sure there are many people who wish honda had a better range in the UK, but as I said above it is a tiny market on a world scale.
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The whole Europe is a tiny market for Honda... And 33 of 100 Hondas sold in Europe run in UK...
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I think the 16 inch wheels look better on the car and make it look less boxy. But I accept that ride quality will not be as soft as with 15s. Add a rear roof spoiler and the chrome trim under the rear window (as I did) and it looks great, very modern and quite sporty believe it or not.
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I think the 16 inch wheels look better on the car and make it look less boxy. But I accept that ride quality will not be as soft as with 15s. Add a rear roof spoiler and the chrome trim under the rear window (as I did) and it looks great, very modern and quite sporty believe it or not.
Yeah I thought of doing that and also getting the blue under dash lights and illuminated door panels. Sadly (or maybe not) my sensible side asserted itself :)
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The How it Works handbook tome with any new Jazz should be renamed How it doesn't work since it doesn't mention at all why auto lights have the unnecessary spring loaded OFF switch - so why have it and how are the lights supposed to work? They come on when you don't want them and won't come on when you do want them. The new Honda Civic has a more conventional OFF position, so I have to wonder why can't the Jazz models follow suit. And the handbook mentions fitting a space saver spare wheel when none of the new Jazz models have them. I'll be purchasing a new Honda alloy wheel with tyre, a jack and wheelbrace from a Honda parts supplier for about £180 :o. Peace of mind I think, for many - I don't feel confident with a can of gunk and a compressor. AS for the CVT one has to learn how to drive this and adapt ones driving style, methinks.....
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The How it Works handbook tome ...
That's a good idea. There are many issues in this forum where someone has had something unexpected happen but they can't find the right page in the handbook. So a re-written handbook that allows you to actually find things would be really helpful. Doesn't have to be printed, it could be stored in Connect &/or online so it could be searched by topic or keyword.
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They come on when you don't want them and won't come on when you do want them.
Your car must be faulty, my lights come on In the dark or when the wipers are on and go off when the ambient light is bright enough. If the lights stress you out put a bit of tape over the lights on indicator.
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The How it Works handbook tome ...
That's a good idea. There are many issues in this forum where someone has had something unexpected happen but they can't find the right page in the handbook. So a re-written handbook that allows you to actually find things would be really helpful. Doesn't have to be printed, it could be stored in Connect &/or online so it could be searched by topic or keyword.
Honda USA, or whatever they are called have the Fit manuals and other data available to be downloaded. Honda UK, no chance.
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700 miles from new and beginning to like the CVT engine. Its bit of a nanny at slow speeds when the blue warning light comes on and Mr VW/Audi is getting frustrated behind you. But don't be afraid to kick down the accelerator if you want to and anyway, that green eco driving saves a lot of fuel. Haven't even used the S drive yet (it's meant to be an automatic !)
At high speeds it's quite pokey. A bit of a Jekyll and Hyde so well done Honda, some creative thinking has been going on there. Not convinced about mpg on small turbo petrols and three cylinders tho.
Despite some motorway journeys overall average speed has only been 24 mph. So what is the point of a bigger engine ? in Australia and the US, the Jazz (called Fit) has a 1.5 petrol engine and the official average mph is only 35 mph. They think that's good !! (they have been used to 17 mph or so I understand).
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and won't come on when you do want them.
I've not noticed that. They come on when they aren't really needed (a fault dating back to previous models) but aside from foggy conditions I've never known them not come on when required. And of course they don't claim to come on when it's foggy anyway.
But the manual is awful. Especially the section on the infotainment unit. Then again it's so poorly implemented that making the manual accurate would involve apologising for it's inadequacies too much.
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and won't come on when you do want them.
i've not noticed that. They come on when they aren't really needed (a fault dating back to previous models) but aside from foggy conditions I've never known them not come on when required. And of course they don't claim to come on when it's foggy anyway.
I have only used the on switch for the lights once, that was for heavy spray in bright ambient light. I agree with Honda that a hard off switch is not required.
My wishlist contribution would be adaptive cruise control.
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Despite some motorway journeys overall average speed has only been 24 mph. So what is the point of a bigger engine ? in Australia and the US, the Jazz (called Fit) has a 1.5 petrol engine and the official average mph is only 35 mph. They think that's good !! (they have been used to 17 mph or so I understand).
Do you mean mpg
The US gallon is less than Imperial gallon so add 20% to the US figure to get 'our' mpg - which will be about 43mpg (maybe Americans are more truthful about expected mpg than Europeans).
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(maybe Americans are more truthful about expected mpg than Europeans).
I've usually found my fuel consumption to be close to that quoted by the manufacturer. In my opinion the figures quoted are an honest and pretty good estimate of what the vehicle is mechanically capable of.
The fact that apparently most people cannot get those figures out of their car is a reflection of most people's inability to drive a vehicle efficiently. Maybe it's better that way because concentrating on not driving into other vehicles may be all most drivers can handle. But one of the most effective efficiency techniques 'driving without brakes' also has the potential to improve safety.
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Ah, it's you that gets in everyone's way. :-)
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Ah, it's you that gets in everyone's way. :-)
Lol, not that often. I find I get held up by others that can't go round beds at a proper speed (and who have usually braked in order to reach their preferred speed). And in town I am better at spotting gaps and timing my arrival at roundabouts so that I don't have to stop. Even a lowly 1.3 litre Jazz can 'out drag' a 3 litre BMW if the latter had to come to a stop when I managed to preserve some momentum ;)
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Don't think the blue under dashboard lighting adds much but the external enhancements I mentioned earlier definitely do improve the appearance IMHO :) Go on treat yourself ;D
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Don't think the blue under dashboard lighting adds much but the external enhancements I mentioned earlier definitely do improve the appearance IMHO :) Go on treat yourself ;D
Wot no mudflaps ?
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I would like bit of light to show where the fuel cap release button is.
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I would like bit of light to show where the fuel cap release button is.
Torch in the glovebox? :-)
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I would like bit of light to show where the fuel cap release button is.
Good idea. But even better they could just put it back the way it was on the previous versions with the cap locked/unlocked as part of the central locking. To open it you just push it in and release while the main doors are unlocked.
Thanks for reminding me of another regression with this version of the Jazz :-/
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I had to get torch on phone out and use that the first time. Not enough light in garage forecourt at night or just does not get down to footwell. I object to having to use a phone in vicinity of petrol ( hazard?) and legal issue of being seen using one and being in charge of car. Actually a previous carmaker that shall be nameless provided a lovely goodie box of nice things for car including a decent torch. Yes we should all carry one I suppose.... is it a legal requirement or just sound advice? I have a first aid box but not the warning triangles.
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It is like all the other buttons, switches and levers that you use. After a while you will learn where they are and using them becomes automatic. I did once pop the bonnet after stopping at a petrol pump, now I know it is the top one for fuel I don't need to see the bonnet and fuel flap levers.
I consider a torch vital. No point in having a spare wheel on a pitch black night if you can't see what you are doing, or even a pump and bottle of glue. In those circumstances I can think of better uses for a phone battery than lighting up the scene even with a charger in the car.
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yes Deeps mud flaps were included and essential in the absence of decent looking side skirts such as were provided standard on the 2005 Toyota Corolla I had previously :)
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Oh dear, please don't admit to a chrome exhaust pipe vanity cover.
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The new CR-V is getting a volume knob, maybe it will return for the Jazz...someday.