Air conditioning

[Lemmydog]

Hi, my first post so apologies if I missed a previous thread, although I did try and check.
My a/c ( 2016 Jazz 1.3 CVT) was being pathetic and needed re-gassed and got it done at local Honda merchant under warranty, thank goodness. What was quoted as a 60-odd squid job is now a £204 job due to the newer 'greener' gas used, so be warned. However, a/c is still not great ( compared to the wife's Hyundai i10 which practically chucks ice cubes at you) and on checking the temp of the air at the vent found it to be 7-9C. My old Civic managed 5C. I contacted Honda shop and was told anything under 14C (!) Is normal, although most Jazz manage 7C. Not great is it?

[culzean]

The trend seems to be,  the 'greener' the gas the less it cools - you can still get R134-A refill canisters from places like Halfords, but R134-A was 'greener' than the older gases that used to cool better.

Same thing happened to white paint with 'low VOC' - it started yellowing within weeks of being applied, and  the vinyl covering started peeling off our kitchen cupboard doors less than 5 years after they were fitted - yes you guessed it was the new glue mandated by EU legislation,  the old glue used to last centuries - the new stuff is useless.

I contacted Honda shop and was told anything under 14C (!) Is normal, although most Jazz manage 7C. Not great is it?

14 deg F would be fine  ,  and maybe 14degC would be OK when temperature outside car is 40degC,  but 14degC when ambient is only low 20's would be pathetic.

[JazzyB]

As of 2017, a new type of air conditioning gas is required by law for all new vehicles.

The gas, called HFO-1234yf, replaces previous refrigerants, as it produces 98% fewer climate-damaging pollutants than its predecessor, R134a.

Some manufacturers made the switch a few years ago, and already require the latest gas when serviced. Some of the vehicles that require the new gas:

Alfa Romeo 4 C
Audi A1 / A3 / A4 / A5 / A6 / A7 - Also applies to S & RS variants (2014>)
Audi Q3 / Q5 / Q7 - Also applies to S & RS variants (2014>)
BMW i3
Chevrolet Spark (2014)
Chevrolet Trax
Chrysler 300 (2014)
Citroen C4 Cactus
Citroen C4 Picasso
Ferrari F150
Fiat 500x (10/14)
Fisker Karma
Hyundai i10
Hyundai i20
Hyundai i30
Hyundai Santa Fe
Infiniti Q50
Jaguar XK X150
Jaguar F-Pace (2016)
Jaguar F-Type (2016)
Jaguar XE (2016)
Jaguar XF (2016)
Jaguar XJ (2016)
Jaguar XJL (2016)
Jeep Cherokee (2014)
Jeep Renegade
Kia Carens
Kia Cee'd
Kia Optima
Kai Soul
Kia Sorento
Land Rover Discovery Sport (2015)
Lexus GS250
Lexus GS450h
Lexus NX300h
Lexus RC F
Lotus Elise
Lotus Exige S
Maserati Quattroporte
Mazda CX3 (MY17)
MG 3
Mitsubishi Mirage
Nissan Note
Nissan Pulsar
Nissan Qashqai
Nissan X-Trail
Peugeot 308
Range Rover Evoque L538 (2013)
Range Rover L405 (2014)
Range Rover Sport (2014)
Renault Twingo
Renault Zoe
Subaru Forester
Subaru Impreza
Subaru BRZ
Suzuki Celerio
Suzuki SX4
Tesla Model S
Toyota GT86
Toyota Prius Plus
VW Golf GTI 2016
VW Jetta 2016
VW Passat 2016
VW Polo 2016
VW Scirocco 2016
VW Sharan/Tiguan/Touran 2016
VW Up 2016
In addition to all vehicles manufactured after 1st January 2017.

This new gas is approx 3 times the price of the old stuff R134A