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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: mikeysoft on October 07, 2019, 12:28:18 PM
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Other than the outward body styling changes on the 2018 facelift model, are there any internal differences? Seats and headrests look the same.
What about the infotainment system? Is MirrorLink only on the facelift versions or also on the 2015-2017 versions?
I'm about to buy so would appreciate any info, as that will help me decide between a 16/17 plate or an 18 plate if there is anything significantly better (the external styling isn't a big enough reason).
Thanks
Mike
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No longer cheap roadtax/ VED on post 2017 cars as I understand it
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Is MirrorLink only on the facelift versions or also on the 2015-2017 versions?
Mirrorlink has been on the MK3 Jazz since it was introduced. Unfortunately Honda insists on using an old version that seems incompatible with newer phones. If this is important to you, insist that the dealer demonstrates it with your phone.
Other people have observed that the very latest cars have a different design of the "sub-trunk" area (ie under the boot floor), which makes it impossible to carry even a space-saver spare wheel. It's not clear exactly when this design change happened. If you want to carry a spare, check that you can.
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I may be confused about this but doesn't the so called Facelift have more important differences like the 1.5 non-Atkinson engine (instead of 1.3) and improved suspension and ride?
....or were these separate changes?
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I may be confused about this but doesn't the so called Facelift have more important differences like the 1.5 non-Atkinson engine (instead of 1.3) and improved suspension and ride?
....or were these separate changes?
The 1.5 engine was only available on the short-lived Sport model. If the OP is looking at a used one of those then yes, that's a significant difference.
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I may be confused about this but doesn't the so called Facelift have more important differences like the 1.5 non-Atkinson engine (instead of 1.3) and improved suspension and ride?
....or were these separate changes?
The 1.5 engine was only available on the short-lived Sport model. If the OP is looking at a used one of those then yes, that's a significant difference.
Just after a standard 1.3 thanks.
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Is MirrorLink only on the facelift versions or also on the 2015-2017 versions?
Mirrorlink has been on the MK3 Jazz since it was introduced. Unfortunately Honda insists on using an old version that seems incompatible with newer phones. If this is important to you, insist that the dealer demonstrates it with your phone.
Other people have observed that the very latest cars have a different design of the "sub-trunk" area (ie under the boot floor), which makes it impossible to carry even a space-saver spare wheel. It's not clear exactly when this design change happened. If you want to carry a spare, check that you can.
Are there any threads which carry photos of this sub-boot floor change? What's taking up the space?!
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Is it just me or is the gear shifter knob meatier (thicker) on the 2018+? :P
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Are there any threads which carry photos of this sub-boot floor change? What's taking up the space?!
This thread is what people have said about this:
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=11408.msg74662#msg74662
AFAIK no-one has posted any pictures.
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Hello, there are indeed some changes.
- reinforced car body
- different shape of the black trim what is left and right from windshield to reduce wind noise
- better soundproofing (2mm layer -> 3mm layer)
- front bumper has a different shaped (smaller) under-spoiler
- [not sure] different angle of (at least one) pedal (don't know which one it may be)
- [not sure] improved steering and suspension
- [not sure] some engine modifications
I got my information from this japenese brochure. I do not speak japanese, so I can only guess some of the changes, which I claimed with [not sure]. Sorry for my bad english, I am from Germany.
https://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/auto/fit/201706/FIT_201706.pdf
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Are there any threads which carry photos of this sub-boot floor change? What's taking up the space?!
This thread is what people have said about this:
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=11408.msg74662#msg74662
AFAIK no-one has posted any pictures.
As Gerred is looking at an 18 plate car or earlier, the change to the sub-boot space won't be an issue.
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Are there any threads which carry photos of this sub-boot floor change? What's taking up the space?!
This thread is what people have said about this:
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=11408.msg74662#msg74662
AFAIK no-one has posted any pictures.
As Gerred is looking at an 18 plate car or earlier, the change to the sub-boot space won't be an issue.
Hi, it's a 2018 facelift that I'm looking at, as well as a 2017 non-facelift, so I'm curious about the underboot difference.
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Sorry Mikeysoft, I mixed up the name. As I understand it, the under boot change has appeared during 2019, so I don't think it was part of the 2018 facelift. Presumably it's standard in 2020 models.
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Sorry Mikeysoft, I mixed up the name. As I understand it, the under boot change has appeared during 2019, so I don't think it was part of the 2018 facelift. Presumably it's standard in 2020 models.
Ha, that's quite funny, so there's in effect two variants of the 2018 facelift model!
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No longer cheap roadtax/ VED on post 2017 cars as I understand it
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New VED rates applied from 1st April 2017 so some 17 plates will qualify for cheap rates.
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Hello, there are indeed some changes.
- reinforced car body
- different shape of the black trim what is left and right from windshield to reduce wind noise
- better soundproofing (2mm layer -> 3mm layer)
- front bumper has a different shaped (smaller) under-spoiler
- [not sure] different angle of (at least one) pedal (don't know which one it may be)
- [not sure] improved steering and suspension
- [not sure] some engine modifications
I got my information from this japenese brochure. I do not speak japanese, so I can only guess some of the changes, which I claimed with [not sure]. Sorry for my bad english, I am from Germany.
https://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/auto/fit/201706/FIT_201706.pdf
Thanks, but this brochure refers to the japanese version, and european models can be different.
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No longer cheap roadtax/ VED on post 2017 cars as I understand it
Sent from my SM-N976B using Tapatalk
New VED rates applied from 1st April 2017 so some 17 plates will qualify for cheap rates.
Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk
It's not just that.
Some seem to be 116gkm co2 which is fine and some seem to be 120gkm which is just over for cheap tax. I'm looking at EX models and they seem to be higher co2 which is very strange
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If EX models have larger and wider wheels and more weight, that will be enough to increase CO2 levels..
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Other people have observed that the very latest cars have a different design of the "sub-trunk" area (ie under the boot floor), which makes it impossible to carry even a space-saver spare wheel. It's not clear exactly when this design change happened. If you want to carry a spare, check that you can.
Not sure if this is the case with other facelift Jazz's but our 18-plate 1.5 sport comfortably fits not only a space saver wheel, but a full size alloy wheel - with room to spare. So much so, I'm having to fabricate something to stop the boot floor from flexing too much.
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It is the late 19 plate (2020 model) that has the small storage space.
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It is the late 19 plate (2020 model) that has the small storage space.
People use to say that the best moment to buy a new car is near the end of its production, just before the next generation come, but this is not true... During the commercial lifecycle of a car model (about 7-8 years), the first half is spent by the manufacturer to solve problems and known faults, while the second half is spent in cost cutting, trying to save money in assembly lines simplifying and removing hidden parts but avoinding customers know this. So the peak quality moment of a car model is the year across the facelift, six months before and six after.
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Car makers never really change anything of substance during a facelift, as it suggests it is just cosmetic changes to maybe boost flagging sales - and a facelift normally happens towards the middle of a models run to freshen up its appearance.
The best time to buy a car is certainly not when they first appear in the showroom and demand is high, as prices will also be high and a car maker struggling to meet demand may cut corners. Wait until the stock starts to build up - you may have to be patient for 12 months or more, but a secondhand car a few years old that has lost a lot of depreciation is probably still the wisest buy - but especially in UK ( where the date of registration is on the numberplate ) some people cannot wait, you can always get a vanity plate to hide the vehicles age I suppose.....
http://www.realcartips.com/newcars/037-buying-newly-redesigned-car.shtml
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I brought my 19 plate Ex CVT a couple of weeks before the 69 plate started and saved circa £2500, against a previous quote a couple months earlier, so it certainly pays to plan ahead.
I can confirm Jocko's comment, the reduced depth spare wheel space was introduced for the 2020My, we think to create a common floorpan with the hybrid version, thus creating space for the hybrid battery.
The same Honda bulletin also states, the Sport version and the colour Sunset Orange are discontinued
So if you particularly want spare wheel space, then you need to get in quick for 1919My vehicle, although I guess at this point in time they will be difficult to find.
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The change in the boot floor of the 2020YM Jazz is due to the latest emission regulation, WLTP EVAP which came in for all newly registered vehicles after 01/09/19. On Jazz this meant a larger fuel carbon cannister in the fuel breather system, this is now located under the boot floor, as it was previously located beside the fuel tank but the new larger size cannot fit there.
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Thanks for the info, Steve_M.
I'll have to have a look at mine, when my aches and pains will let me get down there😧
Just as a point of inerest, what happens to 1919my stock, when sold and registered after the due date?
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Just as a point of inerest, what happens to 1919my stock, when sold and registered after the due date?
As far as I'm aware all 2019YM must be registered by the 01/09/2019 cut off, thou some special registration exemption can be applied for in each individual case, normally only up to 1 year after.
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The change in the boot floor of the 2020YM Jazz is due to the latest emission regulation, WLTP EVAP which came in for all newly registered vehicles after 01/09/19. On Jazz this meant a larger fuel carbon cannister in the fuel breather system, this is now located under the boot floor, as it was previously located beside the fuel tank but the new larger size cannot fit there.
I thought new regulations depen on the date the model gets type approval rather than the date of individual registration, but I may be wrong.
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I thought new regulations depen on the date the model gets type approval rather than the date of individual registration, but I may be wrong.
I cannot see how registration date could be a factor. Vehicles manufactured after a certain date, yes, but if registration was a factor then does that mean that all the cars parked at ports and delivery sites are unable to be sold and are only suitable for spares?
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Some more info what the EVAP regulation means.
"The Euro 6d TEMP EVAP ISC emission standard will become mandatory for all newly registered vehicles with the second stage of the WLTP type test from September 1, 2019."
https://www.enginetechnologyinternational.com/videos/volkswagen-explains-euro-6d-temp-evap-isc.html
Also how WLTP implementation and End of Series works.
https://wltpfacts.eu/when-will-wltp-changes-take-place/
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So all Honda models sold after 1st Sept obviously meet the WLTP protocol, not just the 2020 models.