Maybe it’s because the Crosstar is neither an SUV nor a crossover. It’s a Jazz jacked up by an inch.
And the T-Cross is a Polo jacked up, the Ford Puma is a Fiesta jacked up and the Peugeot 2008 is a 208 jacked up etc. etc. It just depends how much cosmetic work is done but basically they are exactly the same as saying the Crosstar is a Jazz jacked up. richardfrost is right they are all jacked up versions of superminis but the differences made by cosmetics and jacking up are exactly what a lot of people want - an increased ride height and something that looks a bit more rugged.Maybe it’s because the Crosstar is neither an SUV nor a crossover. It’s a Jazz jacked up by an inch.
Just like the original Qashqai was a Nissan Almera jacked up by a few inches :o
No, really. A Ford Puma is a different car to the Fiesta. Sure it’s the same platform but it’s a different car, in the same way the HRV is built on the Jazz platform but is not a Jazz. The Crosstar is a Jazz on one inch stilts with a different trim level. It doesn’t fool anyone. I’m not knocking the car. I quite like it. But it’s not unsurprising that people don’t compare it with SUVs or crossovers. For that, Honda sell the HRV.Good point, though I think Honda are aiming the Crosstar at a younger age group so a bit of SUV styling may help marketing. I like the Crosstar because of it’s raised height but am waiting to see and try the new HR-V before deciding. Launch news on the new HR-V is all very promising but it depends on pricing and actual road tests which way I jump.
Maybe it’s because the Crosstar is neither an SUV nor a crossover. It’s a Jazz jacked up by an inch.I don't think there's a strict definition for a crossover, I've always though it as a saloon styled to look like an SUV, nothing more than that.
I find that my Mk4 EX Jazz rides better than my previous Mk3.And my Crosstar rides better than the HR-V. :) The road felt smoother when I returned home from the dealer with my Crosstar after taking the HR-V for the trade-in deal.
That's why I will hold off a decision between the Crosstar and HR-V until I've seen and test driven both. Luckily I am not in any rush so can afford to wait.I find that my Mk4 EX Jazz rides better than my previous Mk3.And my Crosstar rides better than the HR-V. :) The road felt smoother when I returned home from the dealer with my Crosstar after taking the HR-V for the trade-in deal.
Isn’t the real attraction of crossovers the raised seating height? True SUV’s are designed for off road use but according to surveys 90% never see anything more challenging that a damp grass car park. Crossovers provide an elevated driving position but without the complications of 4 wheel drive, off road suspension and underbody protection etc. Just right for the jungle that is the school run or trip to the seaside.The majority of SUVs never see more than a kerbstone to negotiate as the owners selfishly park upon pavements affecting the safety of pedestrians and children. SUVs exist for the benefit of car makers profits. The USA car industry crashed in 2009, they had given up on low profit high mpg cars, then oil prices rose, the USA car makers were stuck with their fuel wasting SUVs in a sales slump, while the Japanese took the market.
SUVs exist for the benefit of car makers profits.I recall that in USA the trend towards SUVs was effectively encouraged by the legislation which set targets for improvement in the fuel economy of vehicles so the manufacturers created a new category of vehicles not covered by the legislation. The SUVs as we know them compete with the enormous pickup trucks which seem to be the favourite among the US vehicle manufacturers.
The SUVs as we know them compete with the enormous pickup trucks which seem to be the favourite among the US vehicle manufacturers.
Yes. But what we call an SUV here would be dwarfed by the typical American SUV. Last time I was there, in 2016, we hired a Dodge something or other.
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The smallest we could find was an 8 seater which swallowed us four adults and all our luggage and could have probably fitted an elephant in the front and one in the back too.
Very fair, informative and useful centre spread review of the Mk4 in this weekend's Yorkshire Post motoring section. A bit late to the party but worth a read if you are interested and able.Please could you scan and upload to here so we all can read it?
The MY22 is imminent apparently, but when ?Just for taking a test drive Honda give you a £500 voucher to use for the purchase, if you buy on finance, Honda give the the first 5 years of routine servicing at no cost.
Here is what it said:And there's very little that I disagree with. :)
Not only is the Jazz is a bargain buy, the hybrid drivetrain is way in advance of the competition, just compare prices with VW Polo or Golf, Ford Fiesta or Vauxhall Corsa or Astra, all utterly conventional cars .
HONDA JAZZ AND JAZZ CROSSTAR
Its intermediate acceleration benefits from the electric torque but the elephant in the room is hard to avoid. While the single step gearbox is smooth it gets very noisy whilst revving. The elephant under the room is tyre drumming and bump interference. The Jazz was on 185/55/16 Yokohama BluEarth and the Crosstar had fatter Dunlop 185/60/16 Enasave. Of the two, the Crosstar had the edge for ride refinement.
What about the claim that the other elephant is road noise from tyre roar? I haven't seen that in other reviews.
HONDA JAZZ AND JAZZ CROSSTAR
Its intermediate acceleration benefits from the electric torque but the elephant in the room is hard to avoid. While the single step gearbox is smooth it gets very noisy whilst revving. The elephant under the room is tyre drumming and bump interference. The Jazz was on 185/55/16 Yokohama BluEarth and the Crosstar had fatter Dunlop 185/60/16 Enasave. Of the two, the Crosstar had the edge for ride refinement.
Whilst agreeing with most of the report, I have to take issue with the above, where in my opinion the this Mk4 Jazz is the without doubt the quietest overall Jazz, that I have had.
Certainly the acceleration is much better than previous, which of course is down to the 2x torque of the electric motor.
Noise is only noticeable, when accelerating hard, maybe on a slip road to join a motorway and that noise is not the gearbox, but is the engine revving hard to provide the extra power for the electric motor.
I would submit that any car would sound louder in that situation.
No. overall this Mk4 is a most relaxing drive and I'm easily beating the quoted consumption figures, (currently showing 830 miles at 68.4 mpg)
Hence my comments when I posted this, being fair etc. etc.Here is what it said:And there's very little that I disagree with. :)
What about the claim that the other elephant is road noise from tyre roar? I haven't seen that in other reviews.
Whilst agreeing with most of the report, I have to take issue with the above, where in my opinion the this Mk4 Jazz is the without doubt the quietest overall Jazz, that I have had.
Certainly the acceleration is much better than previous, which of course is down to the 2x torque of the electric motor.
Noise is only noticeable, when accelerating hard, maybe on a slip road to join a motorway and that noise is not the gearbox, but is the engine revving hard to provide the extra power for the electric motor.
I would submit that any car would sound louder in that situation.
No. overall this Mk4 is a most relaxing drive and I'm easily beating the quoted consumption figures, (currently showing 830 miles at 68.4 mpg)
A lot depends on the road surface. There is a stretch of road I drive regularly and the noise is terrible. Sounds like I am doing 4,000 rpm in second instead of 1,000 rpm in fifth. It is just the tyre noise from the road surface.We all know roads like that, usually concrete surfaces are really noisy.