Post by: edam on January 19, 2022, 03:49:28 PM
Post by: aphybrid on January 19, 2022, 04:03:29 PM
Post by: Kremmen on January 19, 2022, 04:21:16 PM
Post by: peteo48 on January 19, 2022, 04:22:15 PM
Post by: sportse on January 19, 2022, 04:55:57 PM
The 5 year service package cost about the same as one normal service on my trade in Volvo, so I expect running costs to be minimal over 5 years worth of services (it might be 6 years if your mileage is below 12.5k/year - the package says 5 services, the first one is at the end of year 1 so it could actually cover you for 6 years.)
Post by: Kenneve on January 19, 2022, 04:58:12 PM
I part exed my Mk3 for the Mk4 last October. The new car is better in almost every respect - not that the Mk3 was a bad car.Exactly my sentiments, changed last April, currently 6600 miles on the clock, MPG has dropped slightly, due to Winter conditions, but is still showing 66.8 mpg over that total mileage, so well satisfied.
Post by: Jazzik on January 19, 2022, 05:11:25 PM
Let's say you get a super price on your Mk3, also some discount on the Mk4. Then you start counting £££££ and decide for yourself if it's wise to buy a new Jazz or if you're better off keeping your Mk3.
Another possibility is of course that after an extensive test drive you are so in love with the Mk4 that money is no longer an issue.
A Mk4 at all costs!
Post by: Derkie54 on January 19, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
I part exed my Mk3 for the Mk4 last October. The new car is better in almost every respect - not that the Mk3 was a bad car.
Same reasons
Post by: Hub on January 19, 2022, 05:52:36 PM
Post by: edam on January 19, 2022, 06:44:49 PM
All my changes have been caused because of my duff leg
Post by: dfconnolly on January 19, 2022, 06:45:39 PM
!!!
Post by: JJazz on January 19, 2022, 07:23:21 PM
Post by: sportse on January 19, 2022, 09:17:32 PM
Around 625 miles for 40 litre tankThat’s pretty amazing, for me because all my driving is usually clear motorway my range is always under 400 :(
Still pretty good and around 50mpg.
Post by: Hugh R on January 20, 2022, 11:22:24 AM
Self-Park is an often derided or overlooked feature which some manufacturers ignore and others embrace - my previous car, a Mercedes A160 (the one that Honda seemed to copy for the Jazz) had Self-park even in 2009, and though I've been driving for over 60 years it's still something that's terrific. And yes, I can still park fine, but often prefer not to look at the reversing screen.
Post by: peteo48 on January 20, 2022, 12:44:59 PM
Around 625 miles for 40 litre tankThat’s pretty amazing, for me because all my driving is usually clear motorway my range is always under 400 :(
Still pretty good and around 50mpg.
Yes - I think that's interesting. There will be quite a range of average mpg figures. Cruising at 70 on the motorway 50 mpg is pretty good. In my case I expect a huge difference between winter and summer. In the winter the ICE is on basically to keep me warm and I do a lot of short journeys. My last tank showed 48.8 actual (about 52.7 on the fibometer). In the summer, my driving profile should suit the hybrid set up very well so I reckon there will be quite big differences.
Looking on spritmonitor there is a huge range of different mpg ratings with the Mk4 - some in the mid to late 60s and some as low as late 40s. This, potentially, might mean disappointment for some and a pleasant surprise for others. So important to factor in what you use the car for and not rely on the WLTP average.
Post by: Kremmen on January 20, 2022, 01:57:22 PM
What I've found is that above about 60mph it reduces slowly and consistently by 0.1mpg. If I drop below 60mph then it starts to climb again, slowly, by 0.1mpg.
Post by: John Ratsey on January 20, 2022, 05:07:37 PM
Looking on spritmonitor there is a huge range of different mpg ratings with the Mk4 - some in the mid to late 60s and some as low as late 40s. This, potentially, might mean disappointment for some and a pleasant surprise for others. So important to factor in what you use the car for and not rely on the WLTP average.However, the individual components of the WLTP provide a very useful guide for the likely summer mpg by using the numbers appropriate for the usage pattern. If you spend a lot of time at >60mph then the hybrid system provides minimal benefit and that's shown by the WLTP mpg for the "extra high" cycle.
Post by: peteo48 on January 20, 2022, 05:14:46 PM
Post by: AnastieByte on January 20, 2022, 05:32:26 PM
Highly recommend the new jazz.
Post by: sportse on January 20, 2022, 06:03:53 PM
And with no worries about particle filters, more expensive fuel, ULEZ, etc.
Post by: edam on January 20, 2022, 07:25:45 PM
Post by: sportse on January 20, 2022, 08:16:30 PM
When I go for a test drive I have to make sure its a sunny day. If the MK4 stiil has the dashboard reflection then that would stop me buying oneFollowing a recommendation on here, I bought a can of Tesco Matt dash aerosol - it’s been great at cutting down reflections you get from the cheap polish some dealers use.
I do a lot of driving early morning with low sun, and haven’t had any issues with dash reflections in my Mk4.
Post by: Kremmen on January 21, 2022, 04:18:02 AM
Post by: sportse on January 21, 2022, 05:58:23 AM
Post by: edam on January 21, 2022, 08:23:51 AM
I liberally used that Tesco stuff, after trying other matt finishes, it does seem to be the best of the bunch but I still get dash reflection. It's a lot better than it was but not perfect. You do get what has been called a 'net curtain' effect through the windscreen.So you are saying that on the MK4 you still get the "net curtain effect"?
Post by: Kremmen on January 21, 2022, 08:49:06 AM
I opted out of the dealer DiamondBrite or whatever it was but they did it anyway. It could be that they polished up the dash as part of the treatment.
When it warms up I'm going to test a small area with Meguiars APC to see if that gets any polish off and see what's what.
Post by: edam on January 21, 2022, 09:03:02 AM
I cant drive with a dirty screen or duff wipers so really notice the "net curtain".
If the MK4 still has this problem then it would be a reason not to buy
Post by: John Ratsey on January 21, 2022, 10:09:03 AM
Post by: peteo48 on January 21, 2022, 12:04:40 PM
Post by: Jazzik on January 21, 2022, 12:21:23 PM
...whether it's a problem for anyone depends on the position of their eyeballs which, in turn, depends on seating position and body size.
I totally agree with John. After this topic was started, I paid special attention to it under various weather and lighting conditions. Under certain conditions, I can see a faint reflection on the far lower edge of the windshield. The left vent opening and the small "blob" in the middle are then visible (you have to look closely...).
I am 1.83 m (6 ft) tall, driver's seat in the lowest position and... I wear anti-reflective glasses.
Maybe the latter helps?
Post by: shufty on January 21, 2022, 12:52:26 PM
Clip-on polaroids is my solution for dashboard glare but whether it's a problem for anyone depends on the position of their eyeballs which, in turn, depends on seating position and body size. I found the Mk 2 Jazz bad, the Mk 3 a bit better and the Mk 4 slightly better still.
...My MK2 wasn't a problem at all with glare until I had a new windscreen. Then it was fairly obvious at certain times.
Post by: Hicardo on January 21, 2022, 05:04:06 PM
Post by: John Ratsey on January 21, 2022, 06:06:11 PM
Post by: Kremmen on January 22, 2022, 12:50:40 PM
Which? have said that the latest Jazz is the first car ever that has seen zero reported problems from it's respondents.
So the Jazz has taken the top spot of all cars for reliability.
I'm still confused by reviews mpg though. I'm currently averaging ~63 under the current wintry conditions but it was nearer to 70 during Sep/Oct before it got cold/dark/wet.
The latest mag reviews I'm reading are only achieving mid 50's!
Post by: Expatman on January 22, 2022, 03:16:04 PM
Post by: sportse on January 22, 2022, 04:54:06 PM
Whereas country roads of 40/50mph limits and town driving get me 60-70mpg.
Post by: peteo48 on January 22, 2022, 05:22:21 PM
Just been reading the latest Which? car guide that just dropped through the letterbox.
Which? have said that the latest Jazz is the first car ever that has seen zero reported problems from it's respondents.
So the Jazz has taken the top spot of all cars for reliability.
I'm still confused by reviews mpg though. I'm currently averaging ~63 under the current wintry conditions but it was nearer to 70 during Sep/Oct before it got cold/dark/wet.
The latest mag reviews I'm reading are only achieving mid 50's!
I think there is a very wide spectrum of mpg figures with this new Jazz. I've only done 2 fill ups - the first was about 54 mpg and the last one just under 49 mpg. I suspect the main difference between you and me is the type of journeys we are doing. I'm in a situation where the ICE is acting as a heater - this translates into fewer spells of pure EV driving. I suspect, come the warmer weather, my figures will improve dramatically.
The "Which" tests are interesting. In the review of the car (not in the Car Guide that we got this week) the testers report a short spell of motoring where they achieved over 90 mpg. Which will also cruise the car on the motorway at 70 mph and that will not show any hybrid at its best because you are lugging a load of extra weight about with the car in engine only mode.
What I notice in my car is the mpg dipping from where it was when I last stopped. A trip to Sainsburys (just under 2 miles) will show something like this:
1) MPG at start - say 50 mpg
2) MPG after a mile or so - say 48 mpg
3) On arrival at Sainsburys back up to 50 mpg
If I make my return journey reasonably quickly and the car doesn't get cold I might get to 51 mpg by the time I get home.
Post by: Hicardo on January 22, 2022, 05:56:42 PM
Post by: Kenneve on January 23, 2022, 10:33:04 AM
I part exed my Mk3 for the Mk4 last October. The new car is better in almost every respect - not that the Mk3 was a bad car.Exactly my sentiments, changed last April, currently 6600 miles on the clock, MPG has dropped slightly, due to Winter conditions, but is still showing 66.8 mpg over that total mileage, so well satisfied.
An update to my previous figures.
Went up to North Lincoinshire, yesterday, a round trip of circa 250 miles, taking in M42/M1/M18/M180 mostly at 70mph where possible. Consumption was 54.0 MPG.
Quite obviously the style of driving (local/motorway) makes a significant difference to the results, but I still consider these results to be a vast improvement on my previous Jazz cars.
Its strange that EV will kick for short distances, even at 70mph, usually on long downhill slopes.
Post by: Jazzik on January 23, 2022, 01:57:12 PM
Its strange that EV will kick for short distances, even at 70mph, usually on long downhill slopes.
Why strange? Seems to be normal!
A part of a Polish test announces this:
According to the Honda simulation - in typical city traffic conditions, the distance the car will cover in purely electric mode (EV)at speeds of up to 40 km/h, is 86 percent., and the remaining 14 percent in hybrid mode. At speeds of up to 80 km/h, the EV mode is still more than half the distance (54 percent). Only when driving on non-urban roads and highways, the new Honda Jazz will cover the distances in combustion mode more than 70 percent.
Post by: John Ratsey on January 23, 2022, 03:09:24 PM
Its strange that EV will kick for short distances, even at 70mph, usually on long downhill slopes.If there is charge in the battery and the power needed to keep the car moving is less than the engine can deliver efficiently then the car will switch to EV mode. It's that objective of trying to keep the engine, when it is running, in the most efficient operating zone.
Post by: JJazz on February 01, 2022, 11:40:29 AM
Post by: Lord Voltermore on February 01, 2022, 03:17:46 PM
Above all for me is the instant torque and silence of the electric motor. Sitting at red traffic lights and the like along side premium german gas guzzlers brings a grin to my face. Totally silent. (Unless playing a Homage to Meat Loaf ) On the green a quick touch of the throttle and the car wafts briskly away and ahead ,no fuss or mechanical stress , almost silent. Leaving the others waiting for their engines to crank noisily into life.
Of course I am responsible enough to only do it for a few seconds . Enough to leave them red faced at being left standing by a wrinklie in a Jazz :o but not enough to provoke a duel. :P
Post by: Kremmen on February 01, 2022, 04:02:57 PM
Post by: Saycol on February 01, 2022, 05:25:49 PM
Post by: peteo48 on February 01, 2022, 05:40:01 PM
I think the official 0-60 stat is about 9.5 secs but one tester had it at 8.6 - small margins but it's impressive all the same.
Post by: sportse on February 01, 2022, 06:57:07 PM
The brisk acceleration from rest is really good. It's much more of an "EV experience" than other hybrids I've ridden in or test drove.The great thing with the Jazz is the 0-60 is good and the same every time without stress and can be done by anyone.
I think the official 0-60 stat is about 9.5 secs but one tester had it at 8.6 - small margins but it's impressive all the same.
To get the official 0-60 in many other cars involves a lot of wear and tear by launching them in a way most drivers never would. Sometimes revving them with the foot on the brake and then wheel spinning away.
I don’t think many DSG gearboxes/clutches would last that long doing launches all the time.
With the jazz being an EV there is no gearbox to wear.
Post by: Jazzik on February 01, 2022, 07:01:51 PM
Last summer we planned to replace our Yaris Hybrid. Definitely had to be a 'real' hybrid again and not a so-called 'mild' or 'smart' hybrid.
The obvious candidate: the new Yaris, possibly the Yaris Cross. Although for me, having driven a Mk2 in the past, the Jazz Mk4 might also be a possible candidate. So we decided to do an extensive test drive in both (Yaris for a whole day, Jazz for a whole afternoon).
Our choice: the Jazz!
What are the arguments for that choice?
1. Comfort: The Yaris (on 17" rims) is significantly less comfortable compared to the Jazz (standard 16"), especially on less good road surfaces. Also, the Yaris is noisier, more tire noise. Only when accelerating strongly, the Jazz is (also very) clearly heard. The seats in the Jazz are (at least for us) clearly more comfortable.
2. Space: Not only is the Jazz (especially in the back a lot and in terms of luggage space) more spacious, the spatial impression due to the windscreen placed far forward and the narrow front A-pillar is impressive. The visibility is also very good as a result.
3. Practical: In the Jazz you will find much more storage space. After the previous Jazz we really missed the cup holders on the dashboard, double glove compartment and especially the "magic seats".
4. Consumption: In practice, the Yaris (according to Spritmonitor) is marginally more economical. The Yaris 67.6mpg and the Jazz 63.8mpg. measured over 10,000 mi. Which at about 6000 mi. per year (and Polish petrol prices ;)) make the Jazz only slightly more expensive in terms of annual consumption.
5. Finances (has little to do with the car, but also not unimportant :D):
Although the Jazz Executive here was about € 2200 more expensive than the Yaris Executive, the Honda dealer made such an offer that the price was almost equal to the Yaris Executive including, at our request, Vredestein Quatrac all season tires. In addition, the first year all-risk insurance for € 1,- and a 5-year overall warranty.
The Jazz has the standard Garmin navigation and heated steering wheel, which the Yaris lacks.
Then we don't miss (at least not very much) the HUD and JBL audio of the Yaris.
6. Appearance/exclusiveness ;) : My wife really doesn't like the Yaris, she thinks it has a much too fat ass... Not that the Jazz is a beauty, though... But to clarify that "exclusiveness ": Here you almost stumble over the new Yaris and the Jazz... you have to be very lucky to spot one once a month.
Post by: Lord Voltermore on February 02, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
The Yaris feels like sitting in a small car. The Jazz is borderline the next larger size sector.
Post by: Kremmen on February 02, 2022, 10:51:29 AM
Normally I don't take journos at face value but this time I did.
Post by: peteo48 on February 02, 2022, 12:05:26 PM
I did test drive the previous model Yaris - good little car but significantly smaller inside than the Jazz. The new one looks even smaller.
Post by: sportse on February 02, 2022, 03:43:34 PM
I’d also got close to buying a Corolla hybrid before that, having also owned an Auris hybrid, but again discounted that due to the catalytic converter placement.
Post by: Mouse on February 05, 2022, 02:54:38 PM
and PX my low mileage MK3
Quite a few reasons in the UK.
1) 5 years free servicing and Warranty. (if ordered before 21st March 2022)
2) Used car prices are up 30-40% (They gave me £17,250 on a car I paid £17,500 for 26 months ago)
3) Oustanding fuel economy.
4) Extra noise suppression.
5) Revamped cabin which is outstanding.
I got the Crossstar which is fully loaded with everything except a heated steering wheel (not sure why) :D
Post by: Jazzik on February 05, 2022, 05:44:58 PM
I got the Crossstar which is fully loaded with everything except a heated steering wheel (not sure why) :D
And except blind spot monitoring and cross traffic monitoring. For me a (or the) reason not to choose the Crosstar (next to too much Tupperware on the outside ;) ) .
Another reason: the too odd tire size...
Post by: Mouse on February 05, 2022, 07:37:52 PM