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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: alansdad on June 19, 2019, 06:16:57 PM
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Cat Burglar nicked my Cat.
Neighbours had CCTV of the theft. It happened at 11:30 am, took 40 seconds. Trolley jack and a pipe cutter of some sort. They cut the wires to the lambda sensors and cut through the exaust pipes in front and behind the Cat. The rear cut was through the mid section exhaust pipe so that also needs replacing.
OK I have questions that I need help with.
Honda wanted over 2K for the parts, (Cat, 2 lambda sensors, mid section of exhaust pipe, and fitting kit.)
OEM parts at that price are not an option so I went to the internet. My first problem/question was /is identifying my cars details . Some sites asked for the reg number so that was easy but others had drop down menus with letters and numbers to id the exact model. I only know what is printed on the V5 log book. So can anyone tell me what is missing from this list? Honda. Jazz SE CVT. 1339 cc. Engine number starts with L13A11... . It's petrol and it's automatic. Is this a 1.3 or a 1.4? I am guessing from this forum that it is a Mark 1 but the option I just got from a spares dealer was a 2002 Mk2 Hatchback or a 2002 GD Saloon.
If I buy the sensors on ebay the price varies for new ones from £18 to £148 for one. Any advice please?
Also there seems to be lots of "Pre cat" sensors and very few "Post cat" sensors. I have bought one of the pre cat £18 ones as I did it by phone and they said it would fit but they didn't have the rear sensor.
Virtually all the listings also said "4 wire sensor". When I looked under my car at the cut wires it seemed that one had four wires and the other had only two wires. Any advice on this please?
In the mean time I would like to suggest honda made it harder to steal the cats in the first place. I would also like to suggest that the government bring back the stocks and so when these b*****ds get caught they could be put in a public stock and let me have ten minutes of therapeutic anger management practice on them.
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Bar stewards.
Your car is a mark 1 and is classed as a 1.4.
Sorry can't help with the other stuff but there are clever and knowledge people on this site who will help.
I will start garaging my car more often now.
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Have a read through this thread, you may find it useful.
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=10393.0
You can buy cheap 2 and 4 bare wire universal sensors on ebay, I've fitted them without any problems You just have to work out the wiring and connector situation, as the poster had to in the thread above.
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Thanks for the replies and info so far.
I just went under the car for a better look and I saw that both sensors were 4 wires. The wires in each loom were; 1 black, 1 grey and 2 of them were white. I haven't got the replacements yet so not sure if they will be matching colours or even if there is a plug already on the new ones.
If there isn't a plug already on the new ones and I have to connect the wires (assuming they are the same colour) does anyone know if the two white ones are interchangeable? What would happen if I get those two wires wrongly connected?
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Correction...Both of the sensors have 4 wires each.
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The two white wires are the heater and can be connected either way round.
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Hello, Alansdad met me the same last Tuesday. Also during the day, my Honda Jazz (1.4 petrol, 2005), stood at my friend's house, in the evening I wanted to run the car was a huge noise. I have the same problem with the selection of cheaper parts, I need to replace the catalytic converter, two oxygen sensors and the central silencer. I wonder if it is worth doing by car insurance I'm afraid that it will increase a lot for the year.
What do you think about this product, it wiil be fit?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catalytic-Converter-Type-Approved-fits-HONDA-JAZZ-GD1-1-3-02-to-08-L13A1-BM-New-/232450688577
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Hello, Alansdad met me the same last Tuesday. Also during the day, my Honda Jazz (1.4 petrol, 2005), stood at my friend's house, in the evening I wanted to run the car was a huge noise. I have the same problem with the selection of cheaper parts, I need to replace the catalytic converter, two oxygen sensors and the central silencer. I wonder if it is worth doing by car insurance I'm afraid that it will increase a lot for the year.
What do you think about this product, it wiil be fit?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catalytic-Converter-Type-Approved-fits-HONDA-JAZZ-GD1-1-3-02-to-08-L13A1-BM-New-/232450688577
Yes, that's the right one.
As for claiming on insurance, you have to weigh up the cost of the parts against paying your policy excess, and loss of some no-claims bonus. You also have to consider that you will have to declare it as a claim on future insurance - usually for 5 years - and this wil also affect your future insurance premiums.
If you can fix it yourself, it usually pays to avoid an insurance claim.
Are scrap cat prices up at the moment? ???
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Sparky Paul thank you for your opinion,
I have to calculate it all.
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I got done too a few days ago :(
These gangs are targetting old school Jazzes on purpose. Be aware folks.
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I got done too a few days ago :(
These gangs are targetting old school Jazzes on purpose. Be aware folks.
There are more precious metals in older CATs.
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Not another one! :o
There are more precious metals in older CATs.
The old Jazz ones are quite lucrative, and as a bonus, easy to get at.
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Sorry to hear that.
Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of it going on.
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=10393.0
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=11266.msg74894#msg74894
Last edit This should have been in reply to Aj1
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Just had my complete exhaust replaced including cat - £277 and managed to refit the old sensors thankfully. They gave a rough quote of £100 for each sensor but couldn't give an exact price as it was late in the day and the wholesaler had shut.
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Just a thought, as protection from future thefts you could weld lengths of reo bar top and bottom - this would stop them from using a pipe cutter which is the easiest method..
Or you could go to extremes and install one of these kits...
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Just a thought, as protection from future thefts you could weld lengths of reo bar top and bottom - this would stop them from using a pipe cutter which is the easiest method..
That rebar idea isnt a bad one at all. It would stop pipe cutters as you say, and 2 or 3 bits of rebar would certainly slow down the other method used - a battery grinder with a 5" slitting disc. You would have to concentrate on protecting the downpipe to the cat, and make sure they can't get to the front end of the cat.
I've looked at the catloc type devices, but I don't see what defence they are against the grinder. They will zip the bolts off quicker than going through the pipe.
I wonder if you could make a rebar cage that covers the underside of the downpipe and front of the cat, and fix it up near the manifold? It would make it harder to grind through if there's a bit of movement in it... I'm going to have a look at that when I get a spare hour or two.
edit: Just been looking at this thing which uses steel cables, that might be an idea you could adapt...
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My husband interrupted thieves trying to steal my catalytic converter. In a busy street - in broad daylight. Though not stolen, they've damaged it and the sensors. They were genuine Honda parts and only fitted two years ago, because Hellfords had tried two after market ones which both failed after two months and I had ended up having to get Hellfords works redone by a Honda garage. I've had no problems since.. Now however, the insurance company (the Co-op via M&S) won't fit genuine Honda replacement parts. Nor will they give a transferable guarantee on the repairs.
So I'm thinking what to do in the future and I've heard that newer Jazzes have the catalytic converters in the engine compartment, making it harder for thieves. Is that true? And if so, what sort of models and year would that kick in with? Would it apply to Civics too? Or just Jazzes?
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I think it's only the MK3 Jazz that has the cat in the engine compartment.
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There is a report in my local paper about a spate of catalytic converter thefts in the local area, at station car parks and the local hospitals. I use both the hospitals, on a regular basis at the moment, so I switched my G sensor back on. Hopefully, if they try to jack up my car, they will set the dash cam operating. I'll also try and park where I know there is CCTV coverage.
https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/crime/warning-over-spate-of-catalytic-converters-thefts-from-fife-cars-1-5057051 (https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/crime/warning-over-spate-of-catalytic-converters-thefts-from-fife-cars-1-5057051)
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I'm afraid I joined the ranks of cat theft victims last night, irony factor is I was on holiday for three weeks in Australia and it didnt get touched. Checked the car on return and started it up yesterday afternoon all was fine. Went to bed around 8pm and it was gone this morning.
Not sure what to do, if I replace it with an aftermarket cat and sensors whats to stop the b******** coming back and taking that?
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if I replace it with an aftermarket cat and sensors whats to stop the b******** coming back and taking that?
After market cat's fetch so much less as 'scrap' I think they don't bother
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My aftermarket cat cost me £85, inclusive of gaskets (that was returning the old one), so maybe not a great scrap value there.
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My aftermarket cat cost me £85, inclusive of gaskets (that was returning the old one), so maybe not a great scrap value there.
I think I would want some money back if I was swapping an original cat for an aftermarket one!
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Beggars, can't be choosers, and it would have cost a bit more if I didn't have the old one.
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Beggars, can't be choosers, and it would have cost a bit more if I didn't have the old one.
Aye... when yer stuck, yer stuck.
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Article in RAC magazine about stolen CATs
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/catalytic-converter-theft-rises-as-scrap-metal-prices-soar/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CHUB_MEMSIN_A_W1_2019-12-11_160455_11273244&cid=eml-email-CHUB_MEMSIN_A_W1_2019-12-11_160455_11273244-Drive_NL_MEMB_Advice1
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Is there such a thing as a pendulum type motion sensor that could warn if the car is jacked up quickly?
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Is there such a thing as a pendulum type motion sensor that could warn if the car is jacked up quickly?
They are called shock sensors, detect when vehicle moves from a steady state
https://www.amazon.com/car-alarm-shock-sensor/s?k=car+alarm+with+shock+sensor
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Is there such a thing as a pendulum type motion sensor that could warn if the car is jacked up quickly?
That's like what car alarms used to be before they got complicated.
I used to have a mechanical one branded "Bulldog" which would go off if I was driving in a strong cross wind or if someone rocked the car when it was parked.
The horn sounded when the pendulum hit an electrical contact in the box.
It was in the early days of cars.
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Is there such a thing as a pendulum type motion sensor that could warn if the car is jacked up quickly?
That's like what car alarms used to be before they got complicated.
I used to have a mechanical one branded "Bulldog" which would go off if I was driving in a strong cross wind or if someone rocked the car when it was parked.
The horn sounded when the pendulum hit an electrical contact in the box.
It was in the early days of cars.
Yeah, is used to have one of those pendulum alarms thingies years ago, but wind was a problem and annoying the neigbours led to its disconnection.
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Looks like they are still around (in a different form):
http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/Products/453055345-model-802-vehicle-and-atv-alarm-system.aspx
plus a few other esoteric items.....
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Looks like they are still around (in a different form):
http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/Products/453055345-model-802-vehicle-and-atv-alarm-system.aspx
plus a few other esoteric items.....
Here is a manual for the alarm https://www.manualslib.com/manual/979613/Bulldog-Security-802.html
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Just had our stolen cat replaced with a cheap pattern cat. My question is will theives target this one too or will they leave it alone as it is only the old ones they are interested in? I thought the latter but have heard stories or Prius owners having had 3 cats stolen, the original and 2 replacements.
If necessary I will clamp or weld a length of rebar to the downstream pipe which would prevent them using a pipe cutter as they did before.
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Perhaps they had fitted OEM parts.
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I don't think many of the scallywags that nick them know the difference, but I guess they'll take the rough with the smooth. If they weigh a dozen cats in and a couple of them are only worth £5-10, I don't suppose they will be too fussed.
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looking at the various youtube videos they don't seem to even bother looking to see if its a new one or not they just jackup the car and steal it. So I'll clamp the rebar on. I suppose it will slow them down at least. Why don't car alarms go off when a car is jacked up anymore?
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.... replaced with a cheap pattern cat. My question is will theives target this one too or will they leave it alone
I face the same dilemma, but all I can do is change where I park it. Where it was out on the road it is now hidden from sight behind a wall.
That's all I can do. Just hope they drive the roads looking for victims within easy sight other than poking around in places out of sight.
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looking at the various youtube videos they don't seem to even bother looking to see if its a new one or not they just jackup the car and steal it. So I'll clamp the rebar on. I suppose it will slow them down at least. Why don't car alarms go off when a car is jacked up anymore?
Hence while i am looking for a tilt switch and an alarm siren...just got to find out how to wire them in.
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I've now bolted 3 M10 exhaust clamps over where they pipe cut it, at the upstream end. Doubled up on the nuts. So a pipecutter won't work anymore. I also put two nuts, tightened together, on the open end of one of the two spring bolts to the manifold. So if they ever tried to unbolt it (frankly I doubt they know how to undo a nut) then they will need 2 spanners not just one impact wrench, and a lot of fiddling about.
I tippexed 'LOOK' and an arrow on the cat so they see my efforts before they cut the downstream end.
It's still vulnerable to a reciprocating saw so I've ordered some more clamps and some hardened steel cable, I will loop that tight under all the clamps .
Hopefully even if it takes them a tenth as long to remove this as it took me to install it will put them off and they'll seek an easier target, maybe a Prius.
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I tippexed 'LOOK' and an arrow on the cat so they see my efforts before they cut the downstream end.
You might need to write it in Romanian and Albanian too, for its these wonderful people who have been at it for the past few months in this area according to the Police.
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I tippexed 'LOOK' and an arrow on the cat so they see my efforts before they cut the downstream end.
You might need to write it in Romanian and Albanian too, for its these wonderful people who have been at it for the past few months in this area according to the Police.
Looks like free movement of people means our possessions are freely moved as well ( or removed as the case may be ).
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My cat was stolen from a secure park and ride with CCTV. Again, it took less than a minute. The thieves could be seen driving around and checking under old Hondas. I have a 2003 and the cat used was good quality. Again, I lost the connectors and it was hard to get any replacements. The repair and replacement cost just over £200. I was lucky the damage to the rest of the car was minimal; pros on the job!
I'm in Greater Manchester and we had a crime spree this year (2019) as I was the second cat loss that week at my garage. Just that garage, and my town has a lot of garages. The new replacement cats are not desired so my Jazz is now safe. Those old cats have very expensive metals in them and this can be a very lucrative trade. I believe Honda now has protective barriers over the cats to deter theft.
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Friend had his Prius robbed over Xmas. Parked outside a venue so I presume villains just drive around equipped to hit a suitable vehicle. Kwik fit fitted my converter when it failed. £400 instead of £1k for OEM
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The new replacement cats are not desired so my Jazz is now safe.
I thought that but on watching the various YouTube videos what struck me was that the theives jacked up the victim's car immediately without even looking at the cat to see if it was original or not. So it may not matter to them, they will still get something from the corrupt scrappie for their 40 seconds work.
I have now finished attaching an anti theft cable to the cat and upstream to the manifold. I used ordinary 10mm plastic coated bike cable which turns out to be 5mm cable when I removed the plastic coating. Still, any thicker and it wouldn't have fitted under the clamps.
Pics here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16uxZg_QyRsup56GdywJmRa8B5SVwLEyo/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16uxZg_QyRsup56GdywJmRa8B5SVwLEyo/view?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mLaAULJOtDH2tEvTzjDq5TZf8tcATZ4G/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mLaAULJOtDH2tEvTzjDq5TZf8tcATZ4G/view?usp=sharing)
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The new replacement cats are not desired so my Jazz is now safe.
I thought that but on watching the various YouTube videos what struck me was that the theives jacked up the victim's car immediately without even looking at the cat to see if it was original or not. So it may not matter to them, they will still get something from the corrupt scrappie for their 40 seconds work.
Exactly my thoughts earlier. It won't put them off.
I don't think many of the scallywags that nick them know the difference, but I guess they'll take the rough with the smooth. If they weigh a dozen cats in and a couple of them are only worth £5-10, I don't suppose they will be too fussed.
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I have now finished attaching an anti theft cable to the cat and upstream to the manifold. I used ordinary 10mm plastic coated bike cable which turns out to be 5mm cable when I removed the plastic coating. Still, any thicker and it wouldn't have fitted under the clamps.
Pics here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16uxZg_QyRsup56GdywJmRa8B5SVwLEyo/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16uxZg_QyRsup56GdywJmRa8B5SVwLEyo/view?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mLaAULJOtDH2tEvTzjDq5TZf8tcATZ4G/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mLaAULJOtDH2tEvTzjDq5TZf8tcATZ4G/view?usp=sharing)
Plastic coated? Won't that melt and/or be a potential fire risk?
Converters can reach 800°C in some cases.
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I used ordinary 10mm plastic coated bike cable which turns out to be 5mm cable when I removed the plastic coating.
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Plastic coated? Won't that melt and/or be a potential fire risk?
Converters can reach 800°C in some cases.
The plastic coating was removed, but you are correct about high CAT temperature, they advise not to park
in long dry grass because the hot CAT or exhaust pipe can set fire to it....
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The plastic coating was removed, but you are correct about high CAT temperature, they advise not to park
in long dry grass because the hot CAT or exhaust pipe can set fire to it....
My apologies to dbjazz, I missed that bit. :-[
A hot cat will certainly kill patches of grass, I can confirm that! Oops!
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As well as the plastic coating the bicycle security cable had aluminium crimped blocks at each end to create 2 small end loops. I did wonder if the aluminium would survive the exterior cat temperatures. However on removing most of the plastic coating it was apparent that the crimps had been fitted after i.e. on top of, the plastic coating! So I burnt off the remaining crimped plastic with a blow torch leaving a very loose alu crimp which easily fell away.
So if you ever want to steal free your own bicycle just blowtorch the security cable loop crimp.....
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Do know if this lock fits a jazz. I found it on line and it said it was not suitable for a car
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I have now finished attaching an anti theft cable to the cat and upstream to the manifold. I used ordinary 10mm plastic coated bike cable which turns out to be 5mm cable when I removed the plastic coating. Still, any thicker and it wouldn't have fitted under the clamps.
Hello @dbjazz
I agree with you, the thieves aren't going to bother to check it to see if it is an aftermarket one or not, they are just going to take it. I like your security measure, and was wondering if you could let me know what size M10 Clamps, you used, and what length of cable, as I'm going to do it to my replacement cat, before it gets nicked!
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Sure, they were 48mm M10 clamps - these in fact https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280727123167 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280727123167)
I went for M10 thickness over the standard M8. 48mm was quite tight but fitted OK with cable underneath. The bolts were a little shorter than I would like - I couldn't double up on the nuts as there wasn't enough thread showing . That may be a problem with 50mm and M8 clamps as well.
This is the cable I used - OnGuard 10mm x 2.2m https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163733461472 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163733461472) though I paid a bit more from a different seller. Remember to strip the plastic and the aluminium ferrules. 2.2m was about the right length to double up.
Don't forget 2 nuts on one of the two cat-to-manifold bolts' ends.
Should cost about £10 for everything.
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Sure, they were 48mm M10 clamps - these in fact https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280727123167 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280727123167)
I went for M10 thickness over the standard M8. 48mm was quite tight but fitted OK with cable underneath. The bolts were a little shorter than I would like - I couldn't double up on the nuts as there wasn't enough thread showing . That may be a problem with 50mm and M8 clamps as well.
This is the cable I used - OnGuard 10mm x 2.2m https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163733461472 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163733461472) though I paid a bit more from a different seller. Remember to strip the plastic and the aluminium ferrules. 2.2m was about the right length to double up.
Don't forget 2 nuts on one of the two cat-to-manifold bolts' ends.
Should cost about £10 for everything.
I had my Cat Converter stolen on the weekend. Ended up buying this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BM-90842H-Catalytic-Converter-Centre-Exhaust-Front-Rear-oxygen-Sensors/153753193222?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 and paying £60 labour.
I've ordered the cable and clamps which you suggested to secure the new Cat Converter. Thanks for the idea.
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I've linked my son to these posts.
Maybe he'll take a look.
His cat was cut from his 2007 Jazz whilst in the Coventry railway car park.
A**holes.
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I installed the clamps and cable over the weekend. Used 4 clamps in total and doubled up on the nuts at downstream end.
Sure, they were 48mm M10 clamps - these in fact https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280727123167 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280727123167)
I went for M10 thickness over the standard M8. 48mm was quite tight but fitted OK with cable underneath. The bolts were a little shorter than I would like - I couldn't double up on the nuts as there wasn't enough thread showing . That may be a problem with 50mm and M8 clamps as well.
This is the cable I used - OnGuard 10mm x 2.2m https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163733461472 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/163733461472) though I paid a bit more from a different seller. Remember to strip the plastic and the aluminium ferrules. 2.2m was about the right length to double up.
Don't forget 2 nuts on one of the two cat-to-manifold bolts' ends.
Should cost about £10 for everything.
I had my Cat Converter stolen on the weekend. Ended up buying this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BM-90842H-Catalytic-Converter-Centre-Exhaust-Front-Rear-oxygen-Sensors/153753193222?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 and paying £60 labour.
I've ordered the cable and clamps which you suggested to secure the new Cat Converter. Thanks for the idea.
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Now 2 months after fitting the cable and clamps I have error codes PO131 and PO132 (02 sensor high voltage and O2 sensor low voltage). On the diag tool the sensor 1 voltage jumps around from .15V to .85V and sensor 2 from 0 to .85V. (note the EML warning light was off at the time of those readings). I am assuming the cheap sensors or the cat fitted by the insurance company have failed? Looks like I will have to take off the clamps and cable! I suppose maybe the cable damaged the sensor wiring but I thought I was careful about that.
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Now 2 months after fitting the cable and clamps I have error codes PO131 and PO132 (02 sensor high voltage and O2 sensor low voltage). On the diag tool the sensor 1 voltage jumps around from .15V to .85V and sensor 2 from 0 to .85V. (note the EML warning light was off at the time of those readings). I am assuming the cheap sensors or the cat fitted by the insurance company have failed? Looks like I will have to take off the clamps and cable! I suppose maybe the cable damaged the sensor wiring but I thought I was careful about that.
Your voltages sound normal for a warmed up cat, but it's only a rough test through OBD.
It's odd to get both P0131 and P0132, sounds more like an intermittent wiring issue than a sensor. Check that the pre-cat sensor connector is fully seated, or has not been heat damaged by touching the cable or clamps, etc. Any damage allowing water ingress may give those codes.
Do the codes reset and return, or are they permanent?
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Thanks bear in mind when I captured that OBD data the EML was off. It's still off by the way, total on time was about 4 hours acrosss several engine starts. Here are all the readings:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ydELMveAALk35drxCdezSGFqdJCoHbQx/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ydELMveAALk35drxCdezSGFqdJCoHbQx/view?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16UCenUudAmNsS-YcWbMJkpxxhtcwL-FK/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16UCenUudAmNsS-YcWbMJkpxxhtcwL-FK/view?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jUqMP9zpUcj_RUf04wYNeyaHe7MuwOGw/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jUqMP9zpUcj_RUf04wYNeyaHe7MuwOGw/view?usp=sharing)
(NB do the Google Drive links above work and is there an easier way to post photos etc..?)
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I upload photos to Imgur, then I can load them from there.
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I see my second link doesn't work 'cos google drive seem intent on showing html files as text. If Google drive wasn't free would anyone use it? Here is my second link as text (sorry it's so long). NB you may find my other 2 links more helpful let me know if you can't read them as well:
OBD-II Diagnostic Report
System Status (Mode 01)
Description
OBD Type
OBD Type EOBD
Trouble Codes
MIL Status Off
Number of DTCs 2
Continuous Monitoring tests
Misfire Supported Complete
Fuel System Supported Complete
Comprehensive Components Supported Complete
non-Continuous Monitoring tests
Catalyst Supported Complete
Heated Catalyst Not Supported
Oxygen Sensor Supported Complete
Oxygen Sensor Heater Supported Complete
EGR System Supported Complete
Fuel System Status
Fuel System 1 Status closed loop
Fuel System 2 Status Not Reported
Diagnostic Trouble Codes (Mode 03, 07, 0A)
Description
Stored Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC) (Mode 03)
P0131 - O2 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage
Vehicle Area: Powertrain (P)
Area of Vehicle System: Fuel and Air Metering
Controlled by: ISO/SAE Controlled Code (Core DTC)
Controll Unit: $0E - manufacturer-specific
P0132 - O2 Sensor Circuit High Voltage
Vehicle Area: Powertrain (P)
Area of Vehicle System: Fuel and Air Metering
Controlled by: ISO/SAE Controlled Code (Core DTC)
Controll Unit: $0E - manufacturer-specific
Pending Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC) (Mode 07)
No Trouble Codes
Permanent Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC) (Mode 0A)
No Trouble Codes
Freeze Frame Data (Mode 02)
Description Value Units
P0131 - O2 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage
03 - Fuel System Status
Fuel System 1 closed loop -
Fuel System 2 Not Reported -
04 - Calculated Load Value 83 %
05 - Engine Coolant Temperature 183 °F
06 - Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1 46.9 %
07 - Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1 3.1 %
0B - Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure 24.8 psi
0C - Engine RPM 2643 rpm
0D - Vehicle Speed 66 mph
0F - Intake Air Temperature 44.60 °F
11 - Absolute Throttle Position 28.2 %
Location of Oxygen Sensors
Location of Oxygen Sensors State
Bank 1 - Sensor 1 Present
Bank 1 - Sensor 2 Present
Oxygen Sensor Test Results (Mode 05)
Description Value Min Max Units Result
Bank 1 - Sensor 1
$30 - Manufacturer Test ID Description 1.88 0.00 10.20 s
$90 - Manufacturer Specific Values / Units 188 0 187 Fail
Bank 1 - Sensor 2
$45 - Manufacturer Test ID Description 0.485 0.000 1.275 V
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I forgot to mention I checked under the car, the cables and clamps are well clear of the O2 sensors and cables, the cables seem fine and at least the upstream one is connected properly. The downstream one disappears into the car but looks ok. Both sensors looked to be seated in the cat OK, I didn't check that though. Will have to go under again with a spanner.
Also I haven't attempted to clear the codes as it is evidence for the cat warranty. Only one, P0131, was saved in the freeze frame data
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Hi guys,
Hope you are all good.
My question may have been replied(at least partly) already. If so, sorry for repeat one.
My car is Honda,Jazz,2003,1.4,Petrol.
It's cat has been stolen 2 weeks ago. I spent some time with insurance and ended up in repairing it by paying myself.
I went under the car to see the damage and ordered below from Euro Car Parts;
a) Cat Converter, https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/react-catalytic-converter-724600530
b) Centre silencer as it's end has gone also, making it useless. https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/klarius-centre-silencer-704600551
c) 2 Lambda sensors, each are the same. I thought they are universal(can be used for front or rear). Later I learned the ones I bought are for rear part. I was given Part# for the front one by Euro Car Parts. It's cost is 2.5 times of the rear one.
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/walker-lambda-sensor-710601050 --> This is the one I ordered 2 pcs.
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/adl-blueprint-lambda-sensor-71060101J --> This is the one that was said for the front, but's cost is 2.5 of the 1st one.
https://www.eurocarparts.com/p/bosch-710770417 --> It is not clear in their websise if this one is for rear or front.
My Questions:
1) Can you please help on finding the suitable front lambda sensor in above options.(I prefer to order from the same retailer) ?
2) Should I need to order some other parts like Gasket, Rubber, Spring, Bolt ?
Sorry for long message, but I wanted to give as much detail as possible.
Have a great weekend.
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My Questions:
1) Can you please help on finding the suitable front lambda sensor in above options.(I prefer to order from the same retailer) ?
2) Should I need to order some other parts like Gasket, Rubber, Spring, Bolt ?
A complete kit is usually the cheapest option, by the time you've bought all the bits and bobs
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catalytic-Converter-Exhaust-Stolen-on-your-Honda-Jazz-This-is-the-kit-you-need/164167891065
Front sensor on its own
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Jazz-2002-2008-1-4-1-2i-DSi-O2-Oxygen-Lambda-Front-Sensor/373005907154
You will probably also need fitting kits for the cat, and the middle to rear box joint.
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Sorry to hear this is still going on even in the lockdown!
As an aside, with my original Honda cat from when the car was built (2005 1.4 SE) with mixed around town and a 7 mile journey on country roads to work and back, the car returned a steady 46-47 MPG.
Since the cat was stolen, and now fitted with a £65 pattern Cat and two sensors from a local car parts supplier I now am getting between 49-55 MPG over the same identical journey pattern as before...Strange eh? maybe this one will pay for itself :)
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Since the cat was stolen, and now fitted with a £65 pattern Cat and two sensors from a local car parts supplier I now am getting between 49-55 MPG over the same identical journey pattern as before...Strange eh? maybe this one will pay for itself :)
Are you sure there's anything in the cat? ;D
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OBD-II Diagnostic Report
Stored Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC) (Mode 03)
P0131 - O2 Sensor Circuit Low Voltage
Vehicle Area: Powertrain (P)
Area of Vehicle System: Fuel and Air Metering
Controlled by: ISO/SAE Controlled Code (Core DTC)
Controll Unit: $0E - manufacturer-specific
P0132 - O2 Sensor Circuit High Voltage
Vehicle Area: Powertrain (P)
Area of Vehicle System: Fuel and Air Metering
Controlled by: ISO/SAE Controlled Code (Core DTC)
Controll Unit: $0E - manufacturer-specific
I don't know if it helps, but my Jazz has just had its 4th Lambda sensor fitted (under warranty) by the garage that replaced the stolen CAT & sensors (I have used them for about 20 years, and they have a good local reputation).
Mine seem to go after longer motorway journeys, and I'm no boy racer, 75mph max and the revs don't get much past 3000, bringing the engine warning light on and giving the P0131 & P0132 codes. If the car isn't used for a few days, the warning light goes off, and only P0131 remains, but as soon as it gets another motorway run, the light is on and P0132 is back.
Talking to some other garages and exhaust places, it seems that universal fitting sensors are more prone to this, some places said that is why they only use direct fit ones. I have fed this back to my garage, and they have said that they use direct fit, but if this one goes, they will start trying other sensors.
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There was a piece on BBC South East regarding catalytic converter thefts. A woman had hers stolen from her 2nd gen CRV, even caught the thevies on her dashcam. Sussex Police claimed they could'nt take any action as the perpetrator could argue they were retrieving something that had rolled under the car. After the BBC got involved the Police took action and made an arrest.
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My CAT was stolen (broad daylight. Two different neighbours got the whole thing on camera) on 11.09.20. Guessing I’m not allowed to swear on this forum!
Can anyone tell me if they have bought the ‘kit’ from eBay (noted below) and if it’s worked Ok? Probes work fine etc?
Thank you.
My Questions:
1) Can you please help on finding the suitable front lambda sensor in above options.(I prefer to order from the same retailer) ?
2) Should I need to order some other parts like Gasket, Rubber, Spring, Bolt ?
A complete kit is usually the cheapest option, by the time you've bought all the bits and bobs
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catalytic-Converter-Exhaust-Stolen-on-your-Honda-Jazz-This-is-the-kit-you-need/164167891065
Front sensor on its own
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Jazz-2002-2008-1-4-1-2i-DSi-O2-Oxygen-Lambda-Front-Sensor/373005907154
You will probably also need fitting kits for the cat, and the middle to rear box joint.
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Hey Jazzers,
So sorry to hear everyones stories on here about cats being stolen. Unfortunately I had mine stolen last night and I only bought my Jazz few days ago 😔
I was thinking can I get an exhaust without the cat that will still work if so how will it be connected to the sensors or would I have to get an exhaust specially made and also for it to pass the MOT?
Looking forward to hearing from you guys.
Thank you
JF
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Hi jazzfunk,
Sorry to hear of your car having its cat stolen.
Your cars ECU will need to receive readings from an O2 sensor. If not, the EML will come on, engine light, and that will be an mot fail. I would also expect the emissions to be too high without a cat, so also an MOT fail. In the world of diesel cars, the emission equipment has to be fitted to pass an MOT, and I believe the same is true of petrol cars.
I understand most people, and it's cerainly what I would do if the cat was stolen from my Jazz, is replace the parts with the cheapest aftermarket items they can find.
Hope that helps.
PS: Do use the search facility on this forum to find out lots of Jazz related info. ;)
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https://www.sussex.police.uk/news/sussex/news/witness-appeals/motorists-urged-to-be-vigilant-following-sharp-rise-in-catalytic-convertor-thefts/
Also...lengthy discussion on PistonHeads (not Jazz specific):
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1849943&i=0
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Hi there, the same thing happened to me around 8 months ago, same car as the original poster with engine L13A1 (auto), but they do not seem to have come back with any outcome.
At the time I fitted a cheap Cat and some cheap (£50 for two) sensors but they never worked, the EML light is always on). I'm getting desperate now that the MOT is on the way very soon, I need some sensors that work. It seems to be very hard to find the correct ones as I do not have the correct OEM Honda part numbers.
I saw these two on ebay, states they are compatible.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Lambda-O2-Oxygen-Sensor-Probe-For-HONDA-JAZZ-MK2-02-08-1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5/133444862393?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Jazz-2002-2008-1-4-1-2i-DSi-O2-Oxygen-Lambda-Front-Sensor/373005907154?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Any advice, or should I just bite the bullet.
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I saw these two on ebay, states they are compatible.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Lambda-O2-Oxygen-Sensor-Probe-For-HONDA-JAZZ-MK2-02-08-1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5/133444862393?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Jazz-2002-2008-1-4-1-2i-DSi-O2-Oxygen-Lambda-Front-Sensor/373005907154?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Any advice, or should I just bite the bullet.
I would be wary, I had a quick flick through the listing and couldn't see any mention of CVT.
The CVT (auto) sensors listed by Honda have different part numbers, and another poster had similar problems obtaining the correct aftermarket sensors - I think they ended up buying Walker branded sensors specifically for the CVT.
Here you go, I found the thread
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=11989.msg81384#msg81384
A bit further down the thread there is a name and a contact number.
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I saw these two on ebay, states they are compatible.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Lambda-O2-Oxygen-Sensor-Probe-For-HONDA-JAZZ-MK2-02-08-1-2-1-3-1-4-1-5/133444862393?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Jazz-2002-2008-1-4-1-2i-DSi-O2-Oxygen-Lambda-Front-Sensor/373005907154?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Any advice, or should I just bite the bullet.
I would be wary, I had a quick flick through the listing and couldn't see any mention of CVT.
The CVT (auto) sensors listed by Honda have different part numbers, and another poster had similar problems obtaining the correct aftermarket sensors - I think they ended up buying Walker branded sensors specifically for the CVT.
Here you go, I found the thread
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=11989.msg81384#msg81384
A bit further down the thread there is a name and a contact number.
Hi there,
Many thanks for the reply, for pointing out the automatic difference and for finding the other thread for me. I have an idea on the part numbers now.
I have had a look at the website and will give them a ring in the morning.
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Hi all. What is the colletive view on the Catlock system? To me it looks like the best engineered of the available deterrents, in this application. You could go overboard with a cable and plate "belt and braces" approach. I think if choosing any one system, this would be the pick. Has anyone any positive experience of these systems having prevented a theft?
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Thanks for the replies and info so far.
I just went under the car for a better look and I saw that both sensors were 4 wires. The wires in each loom were; 1 black, 1 grey and 2 of them were white. I haven't got the replacements yet so not sure if they will be matching colours or even if there is a plug already on the new ones.
If there isn't a plug already on the new ones and I have to connect the wires (assuming they are the same colour) does anyone know if the two white ones are interchangeable? What would happen if I get those two wires wrongly connected?
No need for universal sensors and issues of rewiring and finding plug connectors Lucas LEB 455 and Lucas LEB 456 are a direct replacement plug in sensor made for the Jazz and are only a few ££s more than the universal parts. The Lucas sensor even has the weather shroud to seal the interior of the car from water ingress. My replacement kit from Ebay included a BM Cat, 2 Lucas LEB sensors, middle pipe, rear box and fittihg kit for around £210, prices seem to have fallen recently to around £195
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Thanks for the replies and info so far.
I just went under the car for a better look and I saw that both sensors were 4 wires. The wires in each loom were; 1 black, 1 grey and 2 of them were white. I haven't got the replacements yet so not sure if they will be matching colours or even if there is a plug already on the new ones.
If there isn't a plug already on the new ones and I have to connect the wires (assuming they are the same colour) does anyone know if the two white ones are interchangeable? What would happen if I get those two wires wrongly connected?
No need for universal sensors and issues of rewiring and finding plug connectors Lucas LEB 455 and Lucas LEB 456 are a direct replacement plug in sensor made for the Jazz and are only a few ££s more than the universal parts. The Lucas sensor even has the weather shroud to seal the interior of the car from water ingress. My replacement kit from Ebay included a BM Cat, 2 Lucas LEB sensors, middle pipe, rear box and fittihg kit for around £210, prices seem to have fallen recently to around £195
Hi do you have a link to the seller or listing you actually purchased from please. These are the exact items I was aboit to purchase separately
Thanks
Rich
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Thanks for the replies and info so far.
No need for universal sensors and issues of rewiring and finding plug connectors Lucas LEB 455 and Lucas LEB 456 are a direct replacement plug in sensor made for the Jazz and are only a few ££s more than the universal parts. The Lucas sensor even has the weather shroud to seal the interior of the car from water ingress. My replacement kit from Ebay included a BM Cat, 2 Lucas LEB sensors, middle pipe, rear box and fittihg kit for around £210, prices seem to have fallen recently to around £195
Hi do you have a link to the seller or listing you actually purchased from please. These are the exact items I was aboit to purchase separately
Thanks
Rich
I would not mess around with the DIY wire-up sensors, the sensors connect directly to the car ECU, make a wiring error and there is a risk of damaging the expensive ECU, I would go for the plug and play Lucas LEB 455 and 456.
More than 2 years since I purchased a replacement cat set, the Ebay seller being known as aacarpartsuk.
Enter Ebay and search with phrase "Honda Jazz Catalytic Convertor stolen", search will return many vendors, then it is up to you to check with the vendor for the maker of the Cat and the maker of the two sensors they are offering. The issue seems to be the middle pipe section, they get bent in transit and do not fit, they foul the car bodywork, the sills, you find your self bending and shaping the section until it matches the old pipe, that is the hard part of the job, the Honda OEM center pipe is north of £220 if you go the OEM route, £220 being more than the entire Ebay kit!
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I have replaced the middlebox twice during my ownership, both times with third party pattern parts and never had any problems fitting it.
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I have replaced the middlebox twice during my ownership, both times with third party pattern parts and never had any problems fitting it.
Please advise the maker/catalogue number of the middlebox section, I purchased several from Ebay, none were a satisfactory first time fit, they all fouled "knocked " the sill under certain road conditions of slowing down/cornering.
There is fundamental difference between pattern parts and OEM, the centre box is of oversize for diameter on the pattern part, the "tunnel" for the passage of the centre pipe is marginal for clearance.
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Please advise the maker/catalogue number of the middlebox section
No idea. I just bought them from my local motor factor, TMS.