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Title: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: culzean on August 31, 2008, 08:46:57 PM
According to this topic the following Honda dealers have replaced the wheel bearings under warranty:

Benefield Honda, Stockton on Tees
Blackpool Honda
Brayley Honda, Grays, Essex
Brown Brothers Honda, Peebles
Collins Honda, Hailsham, East Sussex
Inchcape of Chelmsford, Essex
Marshalls (location?)
Norton Way Honda, Letchworth, Herts
Tom Fox Honda, Drogheda, Co Louth, Ireland

If your Jazz suffers from this fault please try your local dealer. If you don't get anywhere consider one of these dealers above if they are near to you.

Edit by RichardA - 17 March 2010:
This fault is covered under warranty by Honda. Some say up to 7 years, others up to 9 years old. It appears having a full service history from a Honda dealer is required to qualify for the wheel bearings to be replaced under warranty.

Edit by RichardA  - 16 July 2012:
Apparently, cars built from 2006 onwards have a revised wheel bearing design and are not covered by this extended warranty. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Back to the original post...

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Anyone else had trouble with rear wheel bearings on their Jazz ?

We have two Jazz's in the family and both had to have rear nearside wheel bearings replaced at about 40K mark.  The first one went really noisy and obviously needed replacing, the second one didn't make a noise but failed the MOT because it was 'slightly rough' - I think I was conned by the Honda garage who failed it,  because they wanted nearly £200 to replace it.

They didn't get the job anyway, I did the job myself in half an hour on my own drive, the bearing and hub comes as a complete unit hence the £120 price tag for the parts. In case you were wondering all the wheel nuts on the Jazz are normal RH thread (30mm single hex socket advised as they are very tight - 160Nm torque ) - don't try to slacken or tighten the nut with the car on the jack, take off the wheel, remove the dustcap, use a screwdriver and hammer to open up the locknut tag, put the wheel back on and lower the car back to the ground - now get your 18" bar and 30mm single hex socket and heave that old nut off - remember its a normal RH thread - the old hub should just slide right off the stub axle - reverse procedure to refit new hub - remember to torque up new nut to 160Nm)
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest869 on May 18, 2009, 08:49:55 PM
Interesting. My 52K mile Jazz moans quite a bit from the rear. When jacked up and the wheel spun  it certainly isnt smooth.

Quite expensive to fix! Was the £120 for Honda parts?


Update:22nd May

The left rear hub is very noisy.

I bought a new hub from Honda Part Number 42200-SAA-E03 (drum non abs) for £106.05 inc VAT. I got 10% discount.

The hardest part of replacing the hub was getting the dust cap out. The rest was straight forward and easy.

Once the old hub was off I thought I would strip it down and see if I could put new bearings in. However the hub is actually part of the bearing. The outer "race" is machined into the hub and the hub hardened. So repair or replacement is not a simple (cheap) job.

Only the outside bearing had worn. Both the inner race and the hub were pitted. The balls appeared OK. The grease was burnt but still not completely gone. I am not a bearing expert so will seek advice as to why the bearing failed.

I may strip down the right hub and inspect and if OK regrease. This should lengthen the life.

Researching on the web I notice you can buy aftermarket hubs for the Civic, so maybe someone will start making them for the Jazz / Fit


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Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest869 on June 23, 2009, 06:25:04 PM
Apparently Honda will warranty any rear wheel bearings upto 7 years old ........ ask at your local dealer.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest869 on July 22, 2009, 06:53:37 AM
Mine is off in today to have the rear wheel bearing done on my 2003 Jazz, free of charge.

But you have to ask to have this done. They will not offer as I found out when I bought my first wheel bearinga month ago. Even though I have the old bearing and bought a Honda part they are not interested.

Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1155 on December 17, 2009, 08:26:28 PM
Many thanks to john,
I rang 3 Honda dealers,
Blackpool Honda said that if my car is under 100,000 miles and had full dealer service history they would do the bearings for me.
I bought my jazz from an independent dealer but fortunately it has full service history from a Honda dealer in peebles, Scotland.
for the record peebles Honda said they would do the bearings no problem.
Blackburn Honda did not want to know, also wanted 45 quid just to inspect it(non refundable).
Blackpool Honda inspected the car, said they will order the parts and do the work no problem.
also i have to say they looked after me like i had been a customer for years.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: E27006 on December 18, 2009, 07:36:26 PM
Your Jazz, are the rear wheels drum or disc brake systems?

Is there any difference in hubs and bearings for the two types?

Is the service life  of the Bearing better or worse for disc systems?
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: culzean on December 20, 2009, 09:58:50 AM
Bearing in mind (no pun intended) that car makers are all looking for ways of improving performance and fuel consumption by reducing car weight, wind drag, transmission friction, tyre and wheelbearing drag it is no surprise that they are fitting lighter duty ball bearings (instead of the tapered roller bearings they use to fit).  This is probably why Honda, who have absoutely no history of wheel bearing (or any other reliability issue) had rear wheelbearing problems on the GD Jazz (knowing the Japanese this will be fixed on GE models).

It is normally only the rear nearside bearings (which have a harder life than the offside bearings on UK roads due to potholes, kerbs etc) which give problems

Given that the parts can cost (retail) less than £120 and about an hours work on your drive, it is still cheaper to fit them yourself, because £120 is about the amount you can save per service by doing your own oil and filter changes, without being blackmailed into paying dealer service prices just for a stamp in your book.

Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: ricksmith on December 21, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Hi

Your last paragraph, book stamped etc. In an earlier post 'John' said that the bearings will be done FOC under a 100k miles. So if it hasn't got a full service history wont they do the bearings FOC????

Rick
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: Geoffers on December 21, 2009, 12:42:45 PM
Hmmmm! £540 upfront to a Honda dealership buys 5 years servicing, parts & labour, on a new Honda.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1216 on January 23, 2010, 04:34:12 AM
Thks very much for the instructions friend. My rear bearing right side is noisy) bot for singapore 101.65 with gst.

WIll open 7 c first on how to fit it.

Rgds
Chandran
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: RichardA on April 25, 2010, 08:27:37 PM
Bump.

Please vote in the poll at the start of this topic if your Jazz has suffered from this problem. Thanks.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1372 on April 28, 2010, 09:13:08 PM
I ended up here because of a worn right hand (offside) rear wheel bearing. Thanks to the clear info, will be changing it tomorrow with confidence. 

JCT600 failed it and wanted £256 to change, Marshall Honda (ex DeVries) £225.

The part no for a '2002 KE 1.4 SES 5MT' (an SE Sport with 58K) is
42200-SAA-G02
which supersedes -G01 & costs £156.53, no discount or sympathy offered.
That's for 'rear hub, drum brakes with ABS'.

The part number listed earlier in the thread is currently £126 at Honda

Had the car from the dealer since 2002, got them to check the bearing 2 years ago and was told, it was fine must be just hearing road noise as I always have the rear seats down. 

Feeling a little disappointed with Honda at the moment, although Honda UK confirm Jazz rear bearings are subject to a 7 year extended warranty.

Car started leaking into spare wheel well this year - roof seal is subject to 6 year warranty only.  Alloy wheel corrosion getting much worse - they wouldn't budge while in warranty, then said "Oh we would of changed these" 10 days outside of warranty.
 
I'll let you know how the hub change goes, I've never had my torque wrench up as far as 160Nm before.

All prices include VAT at 17.5%
--
TG

Edit: Generic replacements are now available for ~£30
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1372 on April 29, 2010, 03:44:25 PM
Even easier to fix than I had thought, clean job with no greasing required, apart from the usual protective smear on threads etc.

I used a deep 30mm socket which gave enough clearance around the wheel arch, and 160Nm is quite easy to reach without too much push.  Using a fairly small screwdriver to lever the nut retaining flange open, the tip of mine just bent - a wedge of some sort was a better option, maybe a pair of small screwdrivers.  I used a nail then tugged it back out with pliers.

About 20 mins all in, including fetching the bricks from the garden to chock the other wheels, and remember to release the handbrake.
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TG

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Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: JazzyB on April 29, 2010, 06:44:16 PM
Nice to see it was an easy job.

Nice pics too.

Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1372 on April 29, 2010, 09:56:06 PM
Thanks, my advice is to take all GD models to the nearest dealer when 6 years 11 months old and get them to assess the rear bearings no matter what. Should be some insurance should a problem be slowly developing.

To answer my fathers question, no hammering or pressing needed, the hub unit just slides off by hand.

TG
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1390 on May 07, 2010, 08:42:44 PM
Apparently Honda will warranty any rear wheel bearings upto 7 years old ........ ask at your local dealer.

We replaced the offside rear bearing on our 2003 1.4SE in 2006 at 29,000 miles, now it has failed again at 49,000 miles. Would the new bearing be covered under the 7 year warranty, it was a honda part?
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1390 on May 15, 2010, 12:31:01 PM
Apparently Honda will warranty any rear wheel bearings upto 7 years old ........ ask at your local dealer.

We replaced the offside rear bearing on our 2003 1.4SE in 2006 at 29,000 miles, now it has failed again at 49,000 miles. Would the new bearing be covered under the 7 year warranty, it was a honda part?

Our local garage who fitted the last bearing replacement, confirmed that the replacement had failed!! at 49000 miles. He phoned arround for me & found out that Honda have now extended the warranty on this fault to 9 years.
We took it to the Honda dealer where we purchased it in 2005 & after some arm twisting  & quoting details with bills to prove the case, they checked it out at no charge & are replacing it next week FOC ;D

So don't give in keep fighting. Oh evidently Honda do not accept the views of forums like this as they say they can be malicious. Fine but why don't they come clean when there is a problem.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: ricksmith on May 23, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
Hi

You say 9 years for the wheel bearings??? I've heard 6 and 7 years but not 9. Who is your local garage are they a Honda place???? Could you give me their number please I would like to contact them.

Thanks 
Rick
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest547 on May 24, 2010, 09:36:09 AM
I noticed increased road noise recently on my 03 Jazz and took it to my dealer, Collins Honda of Hailsham, East Sussex and they quickly diagnosed a rear off-side wheel bearing. They offered without prompting to check the warranty situation and fixed a new one while I waited.
Superb service which has been my normal experience at this garage for my car and my wife's Honda.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: RichardA on May 24, 2010, 09:04:06 PM
^ I've delt with them over the last six years and have been impressed with their service.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1372 on June 01, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
Marshalls were adamant that it was 7 years (checked April 2010)
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: ricksmith on June 01, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
Hi

Thanks For that TG

Rick Smith
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1296 on June 19, 2010, 05:47:57 PM
Just had my 04 Jazz diagnosed with W/B wear and Norton Way Honda, Herts and Honda have agreed a replacement under warranty. Car has only done 30k miles.
Still, nice to get it for free.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1461 on June 19, 2010, 06:18:50 PM
They are covered up to 7 years not 9.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1552 on August 17, 2010, 08:27:28 PM
Hi to all, I am new to this forum and looked specifically for rear wheel bearing info. So was intrigued to see bearings done under warranty, so I checked with my local dealer (JT Hughes, Shrewsbury) as I thought I fitted the bill (06 model 51k and FDSH) they said no!? and said they asked Honda UK (I'm calling them tomorrow). This brings me on to the next point - this typically has come to light just days before I'm off on holiday to Cornwall - 600m round trip, do I risk the trip with out changing the bearings and I am wondering if it can be done in time via warranty or will i have to do it myself. Is the same part interchangeable to either O/S or N/S as although there is noise with the wheel jacked up there is no noticeable play.
Any ideas much appreciated...
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: culzean on August 18, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
Wheel bearings may be noisy but they won't suddenly fail, they will just keep getting noisier for the next few thousand miles, you may have to increase the volume on your radio at some point! When the sound of the radio will no longer covers the droning noise from the rear wheel you may have to change that bearing (probably nearside as this gets all the kerbs and potholes). Nearside and offside rear bearings are the same, they come complete with hub for about £100 to £120).

Also the wheel will not fall off because the bearings are failing, I noticed the noise several thousand miles before I changed mine.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1552 on August 18, 2010, 10:12:35 AM
Thanks for that, the wife will be pleased the holiday is safe! I spoke to Honda UK this morning and there position on this was quite catagorical. 3 year 100k warranty and no more. My car did not qualify - end of story.   :(
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1510 on August 18, 2010, 04:49:47 PM
my 2005 Jazz 1.3 manual 84Tkm (mostly highway) has 2 front bearings replaced at 75Tkm but not the rear.  Anyone else has their front bearings replaced? 
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1823 on December 23, 2010, 12:08:43 PM
My Jazz went for its MOT yesterday and I was expecting it to sail through, but this problem crept up on the fail list. I thought it was going to leave a massive blackhole in my wallet over xmas but thankfully I came across this thread in Google and I got the fault repaired at my local garage for gratis.

Last night on the phone though I heard the girl mention to a colleague that the extended warranty for this fault does extend for 9 years. This was with Benefield Honda in Stockton on Tees
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1899 on February 02, 2011, 06:32:49 PM
Anyone else had trouble with rear wheel bearings on their Jazz ?

We have two Jazz's in the family and both had to have rear nearside wheel bearings replaced at about 40K mark.  The first one went really noisy and obviously needed replacing, the second one didn't make a noise but failed the MOT because it was 'slightly rough' - I think I was conned by the Honda garage who failed it,  because they wanted nearly £200 to replace it.

They didn't get the job anyway, I did the job myself in half an hour on my own drive, the bearing and hub comes as a complete unit hence the £120 price tag for the parts. In case you were wondering all the wheel nuts on the Jazz are normal RH thread (30mm single hex socket advised as they are very tight - 160Nm torque ) - don't try to slacken or tighten the nut with the car on the jack, take off the wheel, remove the dustcap, use a screwdriver and hammer to open up the locknut tag, put the wheel back on and lower the car back to the ground - now get your 18" bar and 30mm single hex socket and heave that old nut off - remember its a normal RH thread - the old hub should just slide right off the stub axle - reverse procedure to refit new hub - remember to torque up new nut to 160Nm)

You replace them yourself?  Did you get any warning lights? (e.g. ABS and handbrake).  My wheel bearings also broke down a few months ago.  I had it replaced by a shop using replacement parts.  After the repair, the handbrake and ABS warning lights are on even when the car is running.  They only turn off when I turn the ignition off.  I haven't noticed anything different in way the car handles and I even noticed the ABS working when I slammed on the brakes one time and noticed some brake pumping action happening.  Everything feel okay but I returned the car to the shop and they couldn't find anything wrong in the installation.  Since then, the warning lights are still on and are off only when ignition is off.  Could it be something wrong in the part installed?  Or could it just need some clearing of the warning indicators?  (I already tried removing the batter and installing it again but nothing worked).
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1461 on February 02, 2011, 07:33:46 PM
The way you explain it I would say that it has got to do with who ever installed the bearing. Only other thing is to take it to a garage and get the computer on it to find out what the code is.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1925 on February 10, 2011, 09:22:32 PM
I was looking for some information about rear wheel bearings and cost to replace.  I have an almost 7 year old Honda Jazz, which unfortunately has started having a bit of a noise, which my mechanic told me today that it is the rear wheel bearings, one is worse than the other.  My car has only done about 40,000 miles, and for the last 2.5 years has been sat mostly on the drive due to me having an accident and not being able to drive it.  I was a bit shocked that the wheel bearings have gone just by the car sitting on my drive, and to say the least was a little disappointed to find this out when getting the car serviced.  After reading through this forum and seeing that I may get them replaced by Honda I am going to be giving my dealership a call in the morning, and see if they can help especially after what I have read on here, fingers crossed as I really could do with a bit of luck. 

Thank you to everyone for your information!  :)
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: Ciaran84 on February 17, 2011, 01:54:08 PM
Hi all, can anyone tell me if the (debatable) 7 year guarantee on this is a Honda UK thing? I live in Ireland and recently found out both rear bearings need replacing on my 2005 Jazz (80k miles). I bought the car second hand from a Honda dealer 2 years ago with 51k on it and it was quiet as a mouse, so might be that they were already changed once. Since then i've had it serviced twice with a private mechanic i've been using for years. I have a feeling that since i bought second hand and had it serviced privately they will basically tell me to sod off.

Anyone know how i'd go about finding out if the guarantee applies here? How did people who found out about it in the UK (if not on here) hear about it?

I'm very disappointed to discover an otherwise flawless car has such a weakness.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1925 on February 19, 2011, 02:52:35 PM
I was looking for some information about rear wheel bearings and cost to replace.  I have an almost 7 year old Honda Jazz, which unfortunately has started having a bit of a noise, which my mechanic told me today that it is the rear wheel bearings, one is worse than the other.  My car has only done about 40,000 miles, and for the last 2.5 years has been sat mostly on the drive due to me having an accident and not being able to drive it.  I was a bit shocked that the wheel bearings have gone just by the car sitting on my drive, and to say the least was a little disappointed to find this out when getting the car serviced.  After reading through this forum and seeing that I may get them replaced by Honda I am going to be giving my dealership a call in the morning, and see if they can help especially after what I have read on here, fingers crossed as I really could do with a bit of luck. 

Thank you to everyone for your information!  :)

Well phew! That was a relief!  ;D

 I took my car to my local dealership to have the two recalls sorted and whilst there I asked them about this problem and that I thought it was covered under an extended warranty.  They had not heard of wheel bearings being part of an extended warranty but said they would take a look and if it were the bearings then they would put a request into Honda to see if they would cover the work.  They were not going to charge for the work to check even if it was not covered, which I thought was great.  It was found to be the wheel bearings and they submitted the request to Honda and by the end of the day they had received a response back to say that Honda would pay for the repairs.  The very next day my car went back in for the bearings to be changed and I am pleased to say that I now have my quiet baby back with no whining from the rear!

The service of the dealership was great considering the car had not been purchased there seven years ago and the dealt with this very promptly and with the friendliness I have come to expect from Honda dealerships.

 :) I would like to say a big thank you to all those posting on this forum, without reading this I am sure this would have cost me a small fortune to fix.  It gave me the courage to approach my Honda dealership knowing that others were experiencing the very same problem with their cars.  :-*

If you have a problem with rear wheel bearings I would seriously suggest making your Honda dealership the first point of call before going ahead and paying to get them fixed yourself.  Why pay for something to be fixed when it is covered under a warranty
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: Ciaran84 on February 21, 2011, 11:38:27 AM
I wonder could anyone who had this job done for free under warranty post and let me know what dealership they had it done in? I've contacted ther one i got my car from but initial reply is not encouraging. They deny any such fault and say there is no service schedule in place for wheel bearings but will forward my query for further review.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest229 on February 22, 2011, 07:25:45 AM
Anyone at a dealership who denies any problem exists with rear wheel bearings is either pulling your leg or walking around with eyes shut and hearing aid switched off.This problem has been to the fore for best part of a year now, arm yourself with the history on this site, print it off and go back to the dealership and do battle.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: Ciaran84 on February 22, 2011, 08:23:44 AM
Thanks for the advice, luckily i wont need it. I got an e-mail from the dealerships service dept saying there is an extended warranty on the bearings and they have the parts on order. When they get them in they'll arrange to fit them for me. I'm really surprised it didn't take more arm-twisting!
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1390 on February 22, 2011, 02:00:10 PM
Hi

You say 9 years for the wheel bearings??? I've heard 6 and 7 years but not 9. Who is your local garage are they a Honda place???? Could you give me their number please I would like to contact them.

Thanks 
Rick


Sorry for the late reply on this but the garage that gave the info was Inchcape of Chelmsford but the dealer who replaced it after the usual arm twisting was Brayley Honda at Grays Essex, It is a problem that they recognise but like a lot of manufactures they save money by stalling, as some get it done anyway. Have found Renualt Customer service far better than Honda.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest229 on February 23, 2011, 07:01:14 AM
Yes some are good and some are not, I think that to some extent or other it depends on the service manager and how "good" he is.I would suggest that if you are given a load of old crap try somewhere else your money is good anywhere.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: culzean on February 26, 2011, 05:18:23 PM
I had to replace rear nearside rear wheel bearing at around 40K but rear offside rear is still OK at nearly 80K.  It seems it is pretty variable when bearings will start to play up.  I can understand nearside bearing failing first because over 90% of potholes (and 100% of kerbs) are on nearside. Both front bearings still OK.  Car still great to drive and wheel-bearing 'problem' (it is a pretty small thing really) has not changed my opinion of the Jazz as a great car - and can you really expect Honda to pay for replacement wheel bearings on a 9 year old Jazz, would any other maker do that?

This is not just a site for complaints you know, please feel free to post the things you like about the Jazz - otherwise people who are looking on here to decide whether to buy one or not may get the wrong idea (the Jazz can't be all that bad -after being top on its own for 7 years it tied with Toyota Yaris as top super-mini in latest JD power, and Honda were second, only a fraction behind Lexus (a premium brand) in the manufacturers table with 3 Honda cars in top 10 overall).
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1925 on February 27, 2011, 03:01:03 PM
This is not just a site for complaints you know, please feel free to post the things you like about the Jazz - otherwise people who are looking on here to decide whether to buy one or not may get the wrong idea [/quote]

I love my Jazz that much I now own two, and my first is 7 years old, they have a lot of plus points, it is like anything though bad press gets around quicker than good press because people are more likely to complain than to say good things!

Great little cars, I would still recommend them even with the wheel bearing problem what other small car would I be able to get my 6ft 2 son into the back of!!
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest713 on March 13, 2011, 04:23:20 PM
Having used the pictures on the first post of this thread to replace the rear wheel bearings in my Jazz (52/2003 130k+ so excluded from extended warranty) I wanted to post my experience.

I am by no means familiar with the inner workings of a car but this was my opportunity to learn. I bought the basics (torque wrench, trolley jack) from the usual suspects on the highstreet and set off with my mission.

Everything was fine until the point when the old hub "slid off" - did it heck as like! It was stuck fast and stayed so for four hours despite my efforts tapping, hammering, lubricating and generally cursing.

I then had a brain wave which when it worked I couldn't believe I tried earlier. I took the bearing from the passenger side (which came off with no effort) and "piggy-backed" it on to the driver side one using the wheel nuts - a single sharp blow to the piggy-backed hub and the damn thing popped off!

So if you have a similar experience, and are not fortunate enough to have a "wheel hub puller" then give the piggy back method a try - works a treat :D

Car is running like a dream now - almost road noise from the rear (from a deafening roar before the repair).

Shame it cost me £60 more than taking it to the garage but I now have the knowledge and the tools to embark on similar "simple" repairs so should recoup the costs with the remaining time the car has left (...fingers crossed...)
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: RichardA on March 17, 2011, 08:51:28 PM
I've edited the original topic with a list of dealers who have replaced the wheel bearings under warranty, based on the replies to this topic.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest2066 on April 26, 2011, 01:27:59 PM
Hi everyone
 I’ve just joined; I have had trouble with my Honda jazz 02 plate rear wheel bearings.  The driver’s rear side was replaces in 2009 at a cost of £300. At local garage, the passenger rear side is now very noisy so I thought i would have ago myself and was looking for instruction on the internet on how to carry out the job when i came across your site. 
After reading your comments i rang Honda Wigan and they told me to bring the car in tomorrow 26,4,11 they told me they will look at the wheel bearing and if its noisy  they might change it but its not under warranty or recall, fingers crossed, also they said they will carry out a recall on the widow and head light wiring.  I will let you know how i get on
Thanks for your advice
Kind regards Steve c
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: Rbz5416 on May 10, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
A quick note of thanks as the missus' 7 year 11 month old '04 1.4 SE CVT is booked in on Thursday to have both rear wheel bearings replaced courtesy of Honda.

Year added to the poll.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: Ciaran84 on May 19, 2011, 09:30:55 AM
I've edited the original topic with a list of dealers who have replaced the wheel bearings under warranty, based on the replies to this topic.

FYI for this purpose, i got mine done in Tom Fox Honda, Drogheda, Co Louth. Might be an important addition as the only one proven in Ireland so far, though i seem to be the only paddy on here at the moment :P
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: DV on July 16, 2011, 08:34:39 AM
My car has no service history and already 9 years old so I had to buy the rear wheel ball bearing with the hub - near side worn only.
Went to Eurocarparts today 8.20am and ordered an SKF one for £110.87 inc.VAT (no ABS), can pick up from the shop 12.30pm today.

The genuine one from Honda is £132.96 inc.VAT, http://www.roweshondaparts.co.uk/product/REAR_HUB_BEARING_%28WO_ABS_JAZZ_2002-2008%29_42200SAAE03 (http://www.roweshondaparts.co.uk/product/REAR_HUB_BEARING_%28WO_ABS_JAZZ_2002-2008%29_42200SAAE03).
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest2365 on July 27, 2011, 08:00:33 PM
Took my 2006 1.4 DSi Jazz into the Honda dealer yesterday to check the near side rear bearing as I have a noise in the car (nothing found when I jack up the rear and turn/wiggle the wheel).  The service desk agreed that there was an extended warranty on the bearing problem when I rang up (dealer in Bristol at Cribbs Causeway) and gave them my car details etc. and stated that I would be charged £86 per hour for diagnostics. Took it in that day feeling quite confident it was the bearing and they checked it for a good 1 hour 20 mins.  They came back with it was not loud enough to be the bearing, they had cleaned up the discs and swapped the front wheels to the back - but were quite happy for me to drive away without a charge (they did not confirm or deny it was the bearing).  I was relatively happy and left quickly in case they tried to charge me!

I rang up today to confirm what the extended warranty period is so I can take it back before the time is up and they informed me my car is not covered under the warranty because it is only earlier models!  When I stated they did not tell me that yesterday she said it was because they did not know the year of my car - rubbish!  She also stated that the VIN no. had been checked and is not covered under the Honda Service Bulletin!

Does anyone know which years of Jazz the extended warranty covers?

I will be ringing Honda UK myself tomorrow but expect to be similarly fobbed off!
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest2365 on July 28, 2011, 08:21:10 PM
Right - the latest from me is this:

Spoke to Honda UK and they said all warranty claims are managed by dealers and not them.  She advised me to ring another dealer - so I did.

I spoke to a nice man at the other Bristol Honda dealer (Brislington) and they acknowledged the extended warranty claim.  After telling him my reg. no. he also noted that I had put the car into the other Bristol dealer two days before - I did not think their systems would be that sophisticated - damn!

He did give me more information about which cars the extended warranty applies to - he said it only applies to 2003/4 and 5 cars and after that the part was modified to eliminate the problem.  He gave me the range of VIN no.s it applies to - I did not get the start, but the upper limit ends in 5S225989 as printed on the Honda Service Bulletin.  I can confirm that my VIN no. is beyond the limit so it does not cover my car - damn again!

I was quoted £224.72 inc VAT to replace the part (at 0.7 hours worth of labour).

I will keep going until it gets worse.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: DV on July 28, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
Why don`t you change it yourself than? There are pictures a few pages back in this topic how to do it... Anyway this is your choice, I know you have tried to fix it under warranty but now all we know what cars are covered.
Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest2365 on July 29, 2011, 09:44:01 PM
I will consider changing it myself DV - but my local garage is around £45 per hour so buying myself time and the risk of screwing it up I might just pay someone else to do it (and not Honda).

I will keep going until it becomes proper loud - like I said earlier - I think I have sensitive hearing and have gotten paranoid after reading this forum!

Cheers.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest1844 on August 01, 2011, 10:16:48 PM
Had both my rear bearings done 3 weeks ago, FOC under the extended warranty. I put it in for the recalls and asked them to check as the LHS rear was a bit noisy at speed, but more noticeably, the brake was "catching" once per revolution - by this I mean a sound like pad-on-rusty-disc. With the car jacked up, I didn't get it but if you pressed the tyre hard and rotated you could get the noise at a specific point of rotation. I assume the bearing sagged a bit with the weight of the car on it.
Mine's a 2005 with 35kmiles.


I also got the gearbox bearings done as well, FOC - I'll update the other topic on that front...


Good on Honda - not many car companies would take responsibility for a 6 year old car like that!
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest2787 on September 23, 2011, 03:37:05 PM
Oh dear.  I have a 2004 1.4 Jazz and was told at my MOT in June at a local garage that my rear wheel bearings needed replacing.  I was quoted £120 for each bearing part plus labour on top. I booked it in last week.  While the car was at the garage my chimney sweep arrived and he went pale when I told him which garage my car was currently at!  Oh glory, seems he had some welding done on floor of his car and when he got it home and lifted up the mats he could see the road.  As well as this, his neighbour had used the garage and was not happy with the work.  When I collected the car I was advised that the rear brakes and pads were worn.   

Yesterday I took the car to my local Honda dealership to have the brakes sorted and asked them to check over the bearings while they were at it.    I have now had the report that "on inspection we found that the rear wheel bearings were far too tight.  We have adjusted the torque on the bearings but heat damage may already have taken place as fitted incorrectly.  We advise to replace the bearings with genuine parts.  Cost £468.82 inc."
They have advised me to ask the first garage to check to see if any damage has taken place due to the over-tightening.     Quite frankly, I am not sure I would trust this first garage to go near my car, knowing what i now know.   Should I take the car to a completely independent person to check over the state of the bearings?  They have only been in about ten days.    I wish I had discovered this forum earlier, though I certainly did not have a full service history from a Honda dealer so probably would not have qualified for a f.o.c. recall.

If "heat damage" had already occurred, how long would these bearings now last?  Any advice welcome as to best course to take. 

Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: culzean on September 25, 2011, 05:11:48 PM
It is impossible to over-tighten the rear wheel bearings on the GD Jazz because the bearings come completely fitted into the new hub and there is a fitted spacer between the bearings and all the threaded nut does is clamp the inner bearing races against the spacer.    It used to be possible to over-tighten (apply too much pre-load) the older (and stronger) tapered roller bearings on car wheels and you had to set the gap between nut and bearing with a feeler gauge, or risk premature failure (or 'heat damage' as your Honda dealer called it).  I would say that you should jack up the car and rotate the rear wheels by hand, you will soon pick up any tightness or noise from the bearings.

Dealers aren't above being pro-active when it comes to 'finding' problems with cars, my wife and I both separately took our GD Jazzes to our local Honda dealer for MOT this year and both cars were said to have a corrosion problem with the rear offside brake pipe that was bad enough for them to advise replacement of the pipe (at about £180) but not bad enough to fail the MOT apparently!!!!! The same part was noted as advisory last year, what can I say?
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: dg on July 02, 2012, 10:51:15 AM
Just failed MOT on rear nearside bearing and lambda readings(exhaust blowing a little, hope this is the reason)

Haynes manual states I need to use new nut(£13) after replacing bearing, does new one come along with bearing or it could be reused? or is it locking nut?

still very much undecided wich way to go with 10yo  car £35ebay/£110halfords/£165honda..

EDIT:
if anyone could confirm nut size as 30mm, would be nice, seen 2 refs to 32mm on US sites, maybe different models..

EDIT 2:
was wrong re halfords quote, it's £137 actually, to replace bearing only, 12k miles/1y warranty..
therefore ordered 42200SAAG02 off coxmotorparts at discounted £137.96
they were most helpful, confirmed that:
- old nut could be reused
- nut size is 32mm

EDIT 3:
all done
nut size was 30mm  ::)
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings (*Honda will fix under warranty up to 7-9yrs old??*)
Post by: RichardA on December 15, 2012, 04:45:20 PM
Edit by RichardA - 17 March 2010:
This fault is covered under warranty by Honda. Some say up to 7 years, others up to 9 years old. It appears having a full service history from a Honda dealer is required to qualify for the wheel bearings to be replaced under warranty.

Edit by RichardA  - 16 July 2012:
Apparently, cars built from 2006 onwards have a revised wheel bearing design and are not covered by this extended warranty. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Any update on this? Can anyone confirm once and for all what (if) the cut-off date is for Honda to pocket the bill? Is it 7 or 9 years old? Do cars from '06 on have a revised wheel bearing design and are not covered? Is this new actually any better?
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings (*Honda will fix under warranty up to 7-9yrs old??*)
Post by: 54 Jazz owner on February 12, 2013, 10:35:22 AM
Just had one done but after 120000miles  I didnt think to try for free!
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings (*Honda will fix under warranty up to 7-9yrs old??*)
Post by: guest3954 on March 25, 2013, 12:30:54 AM
Hi,

I'm in Australia, not England, and not sure whether the rear bearing problems were an issue down here.  I only just found out about it from my uncle, who is helping me learn more about this car I've had from new since 2005.  Mine is a 1.3L 2005 Honda Jazz Vibe GLi.  It was serviced per log book at Honda until late 2009, when my life fell apart.  2010 I lost my grandmotherly-aunt, 2011 my dad passed away, and 2012 I lost first my actual grandmother, and then my mum. 

The car has done just under 73k kilometres, but missed its last service.  It isn't making a gearbox whine -- yet!  I don't know if the bearing problems are an issue only with UK cars (I haven't found any reference to this outside of UK forums), as it seems your Jazzes/Fits are different -- you seem to have a 1.4L model, while we had 1.3L and 1.5L.

The car is going in tomorrow to have a couple of factory recalls attended to -- driver's window and lights.  I'd like to be able to talk intelligently about the bearings while I'm there. 

HELP!   [  please :)   ]

Catie.
Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings (*Honda will fix under warranty up to 7-9yrs old??*)
Post by: guest4498 on January 23, 2014, 08:51:08 AM
My 2003 Jazz with 45,000 miles on it just past its MOT Test,The Guy said mate your drivers side rear bearings need replacing,I said ok not a problem will replace asap.Went to Honda as I did not like the idea of fitting cheapo ones of ebay.At the main Honda garage I enquired how much for the rear hub (ABS). £155 was the reply !!!!!!!!!! How much ?????? I then said that my son used to be a Honda mechanic working here until recently,In that case £130.So I bought it came home and then the next day decided to remove old one.. FIRST problem that no one on here mentioned how to get the brake drum off !!!!!! I tried tapping with a hammer levering it off no good then I sat back and took a good look.Then i noticed 2 small dark rusty holes in the brake drum,cleaned them out and screwed in to small bolts and wound the brake drum off...... So there you have it something that simple like that left out off posts or I did not see it LOL..Any way once removed everything elses went to plan. :)
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: TrevJC on October 20, 2014, 01:04:31 PM
Quote "Then i noticed 2 small dark rusty holes in the brake drum,cleaned them out and screwed in to (two) small bolts and wound the brake drum off."

I am planning to do the same job. How did you find out what size bolts to use? I don't have a lot of different bolts to try.

Also I see that a previous poster mentioned a possible 32 mm hub nut. I ordered a Honda Jazz nut from a UK supplier and got just that - a 32mm nut. I found out it was wrong after I took off the dust cap. Now I am getting a genuine - 30mm -  part from Honda. Maybe some do have 32mm nuts??

Another question. What is the best tool to bend back the locking tab on the old nut to get it off. It needs to be a tough old bit of metal to bend the nut. A screwdriver is no good. Does a nail really work?
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: JazzyB on October 20, 2014, 02:52:46 PM
Ive used a thin chisel or a locking pin drift.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: culzean on October 20, 2014, 10:02:27 PM
Quote "Then i noticed 2 small dark rusty holes in the brake drum,cleaned them out and screwed in to (two) small bolts and wound the brake drum off."

I am planning to do the same job. How did you find out what size bolts to use? I don't have a lot of different bolts to try.

Also I see that a previous poster mentioned a possible 32 mm hub nut. I ordered a Honda Jazz nut from a UK supplier and got just that - a 32mm nut. I found out it was wrong after I took off the dust cap. Now I am getting a genuine - 30mm -  part from Honda. Maybe some do have 32mm nuts??

Another question. What is the best tool to bend back the locking tab on the old nut to get it off. It needs to be a tough old bit of metal to bend the nut. A screwdriver is no good. Does a nail really work?


the extractor bolt holes in rear hub are M8, put a bit of copper grease or lube on the thread to make them easier to turn as the holes will be full of rust.  The standard UK wheel nut on many cars is 30mm - use a single hexagon socket (the double hexagon with 12 corners in them will often round off the corners of the wheelnut) ,  also use an 18 inch bar on the socket and make sure tyre is firmly on the ground or you will really struggle to undo it- and the threads are all RH  (clockwise to tighten, anti-clock to slacken) they used to have both RH and LH threads on car hubs so that rotation of wheel would always tend to tighten the nut. Nut tightening torque is 160NM if you use a torque wrench - make sure thread is un-lubricated or torque value is meaningless.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: TrevJC on October 21, 2014, 03:07:17 AM
Thanks for the help. I have a six point, surface drive socket, which I understand is the best type - although I've never used one before!  eg.

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Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: TrevJC on November 06, 2014, 12:42:44 PM
No problems changing the hub and bearing. It went amazingly smoothly. Took about 20min.

Only problem I had was the first hub nut I bought was 32mm and obviously the wrong size when I removed the dust cap. So I ordered one direct from Honda (expensive!) and it is 30mm. I don't know if the vendor made a mistake or if the front hub nut is 32mm??? Seems unlikely. 
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest5138 on November 29, 2014, 05:55:10 PM
Hi
I have 2003 model. Recently Honda recalled my car due to possible defective air bag. After correcting my air bag problem, they gave a visual health check report and it says the rear right wheel bearing is 60% worn and gave an estimate of GBP 236.40 (not sure if it includes service charge). I am the second owner and mileage is 61,600. Is this a common problem with this particular model of Jazz? I was wondering if I need to really pay this much or should Honda replace it free of cost? Any other suggestions/information would be appreciated?
Thank you
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: TrevJC on November 29, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
My car has done 61,000 miles and is ten years old. But I am in Portugal. Getting it done here free would be highly unlikely. I did it myself for less than £60 (hub and Honda nut). It was very easy and took only 20 minutes.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dsports&field-keywords=Wheel%20bearing%20kit%20%2B%20wheel%20hub%20rear%20HONDA%20JAZZ%20MK%202%20II%20GD%201.2%201.4%202002- (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dsports&field-keywords=Wheel%20bearing%20kit%20%2B%20wheel%20hub%20rear%20HONDA%20JAZZ%20MK%202%20II%20GD%201.2%201.4%202002-)
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: Eddie Honda on November 30, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
Is this a common problem with this particular model of Jazz? I was wondering if I need to really pay this much or should Honda replace it free of cost? Any other suggestions/information would be appreciated?

Common problem with the early models.
You don't need to pay that much.
No, it's a 11 year-old car.
Get an independent garage to do it with an aftermarket replacement. (based on a 1hr minimum labour charge and cost of parts should be closer to £100 - see above)

Title: Re: Jazz rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest5150 on December 11, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
The rear wheel bearing kit is very easy to work with. A 30 mm box spanner, A screwdriver to unlock the hub nut and a half inch ratchet is all we need. Remove the wheel, remove the dust protector. Unlock the nut and remove it. The assembly can be easily pulled out by hand. If the assembly id firmly stuck to the drum, Hit the wheel bolts down gently. Still if it dint come out gently hit the old kits longer side. It will come out and the work is straight forward.
In Honda showroom the part is €170. In local seller, it is just €50 for Blue Print brand. 20 minutes, work is done and roughly keep €150 in our pocket. I did it today when my Jazz showed 82000 miles on board. Happy enough :D
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest869 on October 13, 2015, 12:38:54 PM
My Honda replacement NS rear bearing has now started moaning and requires replacing. The car has done 60K miles on the replacement a bit better than the 50K on the original.

Fortunately replacements are available for £26 now on Ebay.  So at least replacement is cheap and easy.

Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest5589 on October 19, 2015, 12:04:38 AM
My Honda replacement NS rear bearing has now started moaning and requires replacing. The car has done 60K miles on the replacement a bit better than the 50K on the original.

Fortunately replacements are available for £26 now on Ebay.  So at least replacement is cheap and easy.

So did you get yours done? I am planning to replace both of mine and was wondering if the eBay ones will last a year or not?
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: guest4219 on February 18, 2017, 04:37:56 PM
We had a dreadful droning noise from our 40,000 mile,  52 plate Jazz CVT. It came on quite suddenly, so popped into our local and very good, Halford's Autocentre. (WORKSOP - I recommend them)
Almost instant diagnosis, after a road test and on-the-lift inspection: it was decided that  BOTH rear wheel bearings being worn as the cause, with the off side being the worst.
Cost of replacement of both of £295.00.
A lift home, there and then was offered, while the parts were sourced and the job done, with my collection from home being promised. Just over fours hours later I was picked up, paid the bill and drove off - noise cured.
(At this price, not Honda badged parts, of course, but on a car worth less than a grand, trade, why spend more?)

Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: sentra on October 16, 2017, 06:30:15 PM
I replaced my rear o/s bearing today.
The bearing I got from Ebay for £25 Came with a bigger 32mm(?) nut, so I just used the existing one which is 30mm.
I belive US spec Jazz(fit) has a 32mm nut and Euro is 30mm but am not 100% sure.

Thank you everyone for the advice in this topic.
Title: Re: Honda Jazz 2002-2006 rear wheel bearings
Post by: culzean on October 16, 2017, 08:35:04 PM
I replaced my rear o/s bearing today.
The bearing I got from Ebay for £25 Came with a bigger 32mm(?) nut, so I just used the existing one which is 30mm.


I have a 30mm A/F full hex socket, which I use for bearing nut,  but USA nut may be a 1-1/4" A/F.