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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2020, 01:10:52 PM »
The popular of the Dacia Duster is evidence of how little motoring journalist know.

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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2020, 03:12:29 PM »
I was looking forward to read the latest reviews and the most honest ones seem to origin from the UK.

I do like the car but I didn't like the read that the suspension is maybe a little bit stiff (harsh?) for bad roads around town. Some note it might be better with 15'' wheels. My experience is that smaller wheels won't cure an overly stiff suspension. I'm done with harsh suspensions. I'll give it a try for sure but the suspension will be a killer arguement.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/jazz/352449/new-honda-jazz-2020-review

Admittedly, this make-up suits the Jazz’s character – and its likely customer base – but on that score we have more concerns about the ride quality. There’s sophistication there, but it’s still too easily upset by broken surfaces – the types of road we have lots of in UK towns and cities. It’s another reason why the more modest trim levels might be worth a look, since they sit on 15-inch wheels instead of the EX’s 16s.
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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2020, 04:20:29 PM »
Thanks for the extra links John,

Re Windscreen reflections.....may be polarised driving glasses might be a help?

More reviews:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/honda/jazz/first-drives/honda-jazz-crosstar-2020-uk-review notes the glare in the windscreen from the top of the dashboard - that's one of my concerns.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/honda/jazz-0

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/honda/jazz/hatchback/review

https://www.parkers.co.uk/honda/jazz/review/
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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2020, 04:22:55 PM »
The Parkers review of the Crosstar https://www.parkers.co.uk/honda/jazz/crosstar/review/ reckons that it has 30mm more travel in the suspension - somethat that is plausible given that the body is higher than the normal Jazz - and thus gives a better ride.

The Jazz EX has the lowest profile tyres (185/55 R16) of the various models. The more basic Jazzes have 185/60 R15 while the Crosstar has 185/60 R16). Lower profile means less sidewall to flex and provide primary suspension. 5mm isn't much but it all helps.

I reckon that 70 mpg should be feasible provided the vehicle doesn't spend much time in the fast lane on motorways. The WLTP mpg figures look good except for the "extra high" part of the cycle. I suspect that the engine is outside its most efficient range at 70 mph or more and the aerodynamic resistance rapid increases with speed due to the relatively high and short body (no change from the previous Jazzes in that respect). And it shouldn't be necessary to drive with a very light right foot in order to get good mpg. Brief demands for extra power can be met by the battery while pushing the brake pedal should put energy into the battery instead of heating up the discs.

None of the reviews I've read so far have indicated the cruising speed where direct drive (the most efficient mode) cuts in. Will it cruise in direct drive at 1000 rpm and 30 mph (or even lower?) with the battery and motor available to provide instand extra power and torque if needed?

Thanks for the extra links John,

Re Windscreen reflections.....may be polarised driving glasses might be a help?
I know from experience that they make a big difference. However, since I already wear specs I have to remember to put them on before I start a journey.
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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2020, 04:39:01 PM »
Commenting official mpg data, we must say that the MK4 always beats the MK3, low, medium, high or extra-high. I want to see further detailed tests, but I think that they will confirm the wltp pattern, with a MK4 better than my 1.3 Mk3.
Surely in highway mode the 1.5 won't stay in the best efficient range, but this is true for every engine. But while at low speed the ICE can be switched off and stay off for most of the time, so saving fuel, at higher speeds this cannot happen and this will reduce the difference between it and a standard engine. Anyway even at high speed  the 1.5 98hp should be more efficient than a 1.3 102hp, since its extra-high values are better.
None of the reviews I've read so far have indicated the cruising speed where direct drive (the most efficient mode) cuts in. Will it cruise in direct drive at 1000 rpm and 30 mph (or even lower?) with the battery and motor available to provide instand extra power and torque if needed?
Reading infos from some american and japanese forums about the I-MMD of Accord and Insight, there isn't a precise speed when the system engages the clutch. This mainly  happens depending from how much the gas pedal is pressed, better, from the difference between the present speed and the desired speed, because the clutch engages when this difference is low. The electric motor can help the ICE in direct drive mode, but only if the battery is well charged and only for low speed increases: if you are at 75mph, stable and in direct drive mode, and you want to increase slighty the speed, then the car will stay in direct drive and the electric motor will help the ICE to reach the higher requested speed. But if you floor the pedal, then the clutch will be disengaged and the car will be back in hybrid mode to accelerate faster.
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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2020, 06:34:05 PM »
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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2020, 07:16:10 PM »
This review is relatively short but positive https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-reviews/honda-jazz-hybrid-2020-review/ .
What is the point of mimicking automatic gear-changes when in hybrid mode?  The writer certainly has a down on the Mk3, with multiple references to build quality, which I don't recognise, at least from a reliability perspective; aesthetics are matters of opinion.

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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2020, 03:35:13 PM »
Here's another fairly positive review https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/first-drive/2020-honda-jazz-hybrid-jazz-crosstar-hybrid-review/ . I still can't find a proper Honest John review.
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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2020, 04:24:12 PM »
Here's another fairly positive review https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/first-drive/2020-honda-jazz-hybrid-jazz-crosstar-hybrid-review/ . I still can't find a proper Honest John review.
"Superb package" is certainly good to see.  The reference to 100 mpg in a hybrid Yaris is hard to believe!

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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2020, 05:53:42 PM »
Here's another fairly positive review https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/first-drive/2020-honda-jazz-hybrid-jazz-crosstar-hybrid-review/ . I still can't find a proper Honest John review.
"Superb package" is certainly good to see.  The reference to 100 mpg in a hybrid Yaris is hard to believe!

I am waiting for the Yaris to land in actuality and get reviewed before I finalise my list, which currently only has the Jazz Mk4 and the Crossbar on it. But then I am not in a rush.

EDIT: Autocorrect keeps changing Crosstar to Crossbar!
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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2020, 09:37:20 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2020, 01:43:44 PM »
This review https://www.completecar.ie/car-reviews/article/Honda/Jazz/Jazz_hybrid_(2020)/1682/10156/2020-Honda-Jazz-hybrid-(2020)-review.html gives the car 4.5 stars out of 5. The author must be more typical of the average Jazz owner.
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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2020, 02:59:10 PM »
Another positive review https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/honda/jazz-hybrid/ .
I like the suggestion that CVT stands for "continuously vocal transmission", although I suppose it could be an autocorrection like Richard Frost's "Crossbar"!

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Re: 2020 JAZZ HYBRID ROAD TEST AND REVIEWS
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2020, 06:04:50 PM »
I like the suggestion that CVT stands for "continuously vocal transmission", although I suppose it could be an autocorrection like Richard Frost's "Crossbar"!
Honda describe the transmission as "eCVT" which is technically correct but reviewers are latching on to the CVT letters and conveying the impression that there's the usual problem of engine speed continuously varying.This might be true (the vehicle has no tachometer display) but on my test drive the engine was exceptionally quiet except when I pushed hard on the accelerator while climbing a hill whereupon the engine moved to a higher more audible, but constant, speed which wasn't annoying. In addition, Honda's specs suggest that they have improved the soundproofing.

One of my plans when I get the keys to my Crosstar is to see if I can put a techometer display on the big screen so I can see what the engine is doing. I've got a bluetooth OBDII reader which I can pair with my phone and then hope that Android Auto will let me display an OBDII app on the big screen. If that doesn't work then something like this should https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07JWDQ6V2 .
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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2020, 06:40:06 PM »
If that doesn't work then something like this should https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07JWDQ6V2 .
I have one of those and it is great. Mine does not connect to the OBD port so it does not display the engine details, just the GPS, but it is value for money.




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