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Other Hondas & General Topics => Off Topic (Non-Honda) => Topic started by: Jocko on June 20, 2021, 07:18:48 PM
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The price of petrol seems on an ever-upward spiral. So far this month I have had to fill my tank three times and twice the cost has been up by another 1p/litre. I will have to fill up again on Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning and today I noticed it is already up another 1p. I know oil prices are rising but it looks like retailers are trying to recoup some of the losses in profit during the pandemic. It would have to reach a two year high now I am forced to drive 600 miles a week, hopefully for no more than another 6 weeks.
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They are on the way up for sure. Demand is up, so we all know prices will follow.
Thank goodness the Jazz is so thrifty, a few pence per litre doesn't really matter too much. When we ran the Octavia VRS that lived on super unleaded only, I can remember paying £1.65 a litre!! The car was returning sub 30mpg too, so expensive times indeed. The Jazz is peanuts by comparison! :D
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Where you are makes a big difference to the price. Less than 2 weeks ago I topped up the tank at Sainsburys in Bishop Auckland at £1.199 /litre. It's the cheapest place I know of for refuelling (but only any use if living there or passing through) and I think it's caused by Sainsburys and Tesco being very close to each other and both selling petrol. In May I noticed similarly low prices in Penzance where the two supermarkets were also every close. Also less than 2 weeks ago I drove down the M6 in Lancashire and noticed one services sell unleaded at £1.499. I know that motorway fuel is expensive but that was exhorbitant.
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Where you are makes a big difference to the price. Less than 2 weeks ago I topped up the tank at Sainsburys in Bishop Auckland at £1.199 /litre. It's the cheapest place I know of for refuelling (but only any use if living there or passing through) and I think it's caused by Sainsburys and Tesco being very close to each other and both selling petrol. In May I noticed similarly low prices in Penzance where the two supermarkets were also every close. Also less than 2 weeks ago I drove down the M6 in Lancashire and noticed one services sell unleaded at £1.499. I know that motorway fuel is expensive but that was exhorbitant.
Our local Sainsbury is £1.30/litre.
A Sainsbury in nearby Stoke on Trent is £1.195/litre.
Competition form nearby Morrisons and Asda makes all the difference.
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The annual expenditure for petrol for operating a high-mpg car is one of the least of this owners worries, Knowing my monthly mileage, I can make a forecast of my petrol bill, £20 a week buys enough fuel for 150 to 200 miles of travel over 7 days. It is the bills that I cannot predict or control that I think about, unpredictable depreciation which may be £2000 a year and "out of the blue" repair bills to tyres brakes and exhaust systems are the bills I fear,
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I always buy old cars and run them until they are done so I never consider depreciation. However, I will when I finally get my new car. Increasingly looking like a Mk4 Jazz.
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Same here. I see from Fuelly that in 2 1/2 years and 26 thousand miles what I've spent on fuel is roughly twice the cost of the car.
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The annual expenditure for petrol for operating a high-mpg car is one of the least of this owners worries, Knowing my monthly mileage, I can make a forecast of my petrol bill, £20 a week buys enough fuel for 150 to 200 miles of travel over 7 days. It is the bills that I cannot predict or control that I think about, unpredictable depreciation which may be £2000 a year and "out of the blue" repair bills to tyres brakes and exhaust systems are the bills I fear,
Depreciation is an unavoidable fact of motoring life. The newer the car, the more you lose, but in theory you get a more reliable machine and peace of mind of a warranty. Older cars don't really lose money, but the chance of paying for repairs is higher. As they say, pays your money, take your choice.
With regard to unexpected bills, again, just a fact of car ownership. Tyres and brakes are cheap consumables compared to new car depreciation, and all cars wear them out. Much like servicing and wiper blades etc, what ever you drive they will need spending on. Exhausts, they can be expensive but very rarely need replacing.
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The annual expenditure for petrol for operating a high-mpg car is one of the least of this owners worries, Knowing my monthly mileage, I can make a forecast of my petrol bill, £20 a week buys enough fuel for 150 to 200 miles of travel over 7 days. It is the bills that I cannot predict or control that I think about, unpredictable depreciation which may be £2000 a year and "out of the blue" repair bills to tyres brakes and exhaust systems are the bills I fear,
Depreciation is an unavoidable fact of motoring life. The newer the car, the more you lose, but in theory you get a more reliable machine and peace of mind of a warranty. Older cars don't really lose money, but the chance of paying for repairs is higher. As they say, pays your money, take your choice.
With regard to unexpected bills, again, just a fact of car ownership. Tyres and brakes are cheap consumables compared to new car depreciation, and all cars wear them out. Much like servicing and wiper blades etc, what ever you drive they will need spending on. Exhausts, they can be expensive but very rarely need replacing.
If you are buying and older car and want reliability get a Japanese one, Toyota or Honda are bulletproof and so that means no surprise bills...
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The problem with a Japanese car is the price of spares (if they go wrong), eg Oxygen sensor £280 each for a Jazz , fortunately there are non-OEM sources.
The cheapest car I ever ran was a 1982 998cc base model Austin Metro, purchased S/H for £1850 I drove the Metro for 11 years and nearly 90,00 miles.
As a DIY mechanic I fixed every problem except for the worn out radius arm bearings on the rear wheels., (I did not have a Hydragas pump).
Some of the spares required such as oil seals and gaskets were priced in pence, the official factory manual, far far better than a Haynes manual, was only £13 from the Dealer.
Adding all the repair, servicing and MOT bills plus depreciation divided by mileage , the running cost was was under 3p per mile over 88,000 miles
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The problem with a Japanese car is the price of spares (if they go wrong), eg Oxygen sensor £280 each for a Jazz , fortunately there are non-OEM sources.
The cheapest car I ever ran was a 1982 998cc base model Austin Metro, purchased S/H for £1850 I drove the Metro for 11 years and nearly 90,00 miles.
As a DIY mechanic I fixed every problem except for the worn out radius arm bearings on the rear wheels., (I did not have a Hydragas pump).
Some of the spares required such as oil seals and gaskets were priced in pence, the official factory manual, far far better than a Haynes manual, was only £13 from the Dealer.
Adding all the repair, servicing and MOT bills plus depreciation divided by mileage , the running cost was was under 3p per mile over 88,000 miles
My first Civic 1.5 VTECe covered over 190,000 in 9 years ( had it from new ) and never a spanner on engine or transmission ( except cambelt change and oil changes ) - new rear brake shoes at 120,000, new rear box on exhaust at about 150,000 - otherwise just tyres, front pads and discs, batteries, never missed a beat or used any oil between changes. Serviced myself ( Castrol oil ) never went near a dealer or garage except for cambelt. Traded in for a Jazz MK1 and missed the Civic but got used to the Jazz. Never really had any unexpected expanses with any Honda I have had, AirCon clutch solenoid failed on present Civic, cost £55 on ebay for whole Sanden clutch - fitted myself ( cost me another £50 in circlip pliers and some push in fittings for front bumper that snapped during removal ).
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Just backing up what Culzean said above I have owned Hondas, not continuously, for a total of 14 years. Only my current car was bought new. I have had 2 repairs in all that time - a leak into the boot on a 2010 Mk 2 Jazz - £55 to repair at a local independent body shop and a drop link on my 2007 Civic (can't remember how much but not a sharp intake of breath amount).
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So few people actually repair their cars on the drive or in the garage today, in my boyhood every road or street had several DIY mechanics, it was one of the ways men interacted with their neighbours and struck up local friendships.
It is a myth that modern cars cannot be repaired by the DIY mechanic, propagated in the main by people who do not have the basic skills of dismantling and assembling, or logical deduction skills.
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So few people actually repair their cars on the drive or in the garage today, in my boyhood every road or street had several DIY mechanics, it was one of the ways men interacted with their neighbours and struck up local friendships.
It is a myth that modern cars cannot be repaired by the DIY mechanic, propagated in the main by people who do not have the basic skills of dismantling and assembling, or logical deduction skills.
Quite.
BUT you need some (simple) knowledge of electrics and electronics- enough to use a multi meter and understand the rudiments of wiring.
And when EVs come along, some expensive gloves for working on High Voltage equipment.
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So few people actually repair their cars on the drive or in the garage today, in my boyhood every road or street had several DIY mechanics, it was one of the ways men interacted with their neighbours and struck up local friendships.
It is a myth that modern cars cannot be repaired by the DIY mechanic, propagated in the main by people who do not have the basic skills of dismantling and assembling, or logical deduction skills.
I thiink since the demise of points and grease nipples, very regular car tinkering has largely disappeared. These days 12k mile service schedules mean annual work rather than every few weeks out with the feeler guages and grease gun.
Years ago, if you didn't fettle your car, it wouldn't start. Now, it will carry on regardless. I think the modern motorist has just got used to the idea of sending it for a service with the MOT.
I prefer to do the work myself. I know it will get done. I have purchased more than one motor with full main dealer history and seen receipts for work charged for that has not been done. DIY is best.
It has been great to read of the cheap Metro and Civic motoring. :D
I ran my Mk1 Skoda Octavia for 12yrs and 130k. Annual depreciation worked out at £279, and it never missed a beat. Sold on at 160k miles with original clutch, gearbox, exhaust, rear brake shoes etc etc. just had regular servicing and a couple of cambelts along the way.
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£279 annual depreciation over 12 years.
So the car cost less than £4k?
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£279 annual depreciation over 12 years.
So the car cost less than £4k?
Yep, just a few quid under. When I bought our Octi, it was an ex charitly pool car and had not enjoyed the easiest of lives. 3 1/2yrs old with just over 30 on the clock but FSH. It was in unfashionable dark green metallic and had the 1.6 petrol engine. I took cash with me and haggled hard. I think the dealer was pleased to be shot when the whole world wanted silver TDi cars at the time.
Had the same car of had an Audi badge (the A3, Golf, Leon and Octi are the same car) it would have cost me at least double what I paid. More so, if it had been diesel back then. They were over £10k. In my experience, driving unfashionable cars is whole lot cheaper than being 'on trend'. :D
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Reminds me of when our kid always bought brown cars because they were cheaper.
Also the rust didn't show.
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Friend of mine bought a Skoda (Favorit or Rapide) many years ago (pre VAG), when they were even less fashionable, so that his, then teenage, daughters wouldn't borrow it.
He also found it a reasonable car to work on when other manufacturers were moving into ,then unreliable, electronics.
Must have been the Rapid (engine in the back, radiator at the front)
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Reminds me of when our kid always bought brown cars because they were cheaper.
Also the rust didn't show.
Like a friend of the family who bought a Lada Riva in "burnt orange".
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Years ago I was considering buying a 2CV Charleston and my daughter said if I did she would never get in it. Should have bought it. It would have saved me getting called out at 2 am to pick up her and her drunken pals, from Jackie O's.
Or maybe it wouldn't!
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I passed on a Jazz to my daughter so that she would have a reliable set of wheels. However, she complained that having a car with a decent amount of space resulted in her having to provide transport for her friends so she traded the Jazz in for a Mini.
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I passed on a Jazz to my daughter so that she would have a reliable set of wheels. However, she complained that having a car with a decent amount of space resulted in her having to provide transport for her friends so she traded the Jazz in for a Mini.
;D ;D
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I passed on a Jazz to my daughter so that she would have a reliable set of wheels. However, she complained that having a car with a decent amount of space resulted in her having to provide transport for her friends so she traded the Jazz in for a Mini.
;D ;D
My niece did the same, traded in a 4/5 seater for a 2 seater as she did not drink much and always got the job of ferrying mates around....
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eg Oxygen sensor £280 each for a Jazz
This is true, which I why I havent bothered repairing mine and have just left the warning light on for 13 months.
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eg Oxygen sensor £280 each for a Jazz
This is true, which I why I havent bothered repairing mine and have just left the warning light on for 13 months.
Not a good idea to drive for extended periods with the warning light on, I believe you may damage or poison the Catalytic convertor, your mpg will also suffer, you will be caught at the MoT test, such a warning light isn't it an automatic MoT fail?
No need to pay Honda prices of £280 each, Lucas parts LEB455 or LEB456 are replacements formost Jazz Dsi cars and cost about £35 each on Ebay, possibly less if bought as a set of two
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eg Oxygen sensor £280 each for a Jazz
This is true, which I why I havent bothered repairing mine and have just left the warning light on for 13 months.
Not a good idea to drive for extended periods with the warning light on, I believe you may damage or poison the Catalytic convertor, your mpg will also suffer, you will be caught at the MoT test, such a warning light isn't it an automatic MoT fail?
No need to pay Honda prices of £280 each, Lucas parts LEB455 or LEB456 are replacements formost Jazz Dsi cars and cost about £35 each on Ebay, possibly less if bought as a set of two
While I appreciate your concern, I think that the O2 sensor is the least of my problem with that car.
As for the MOT, that would require it to make it to febuary which judging by yesterdays performance isn't looking likely.
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If you are buying and older car and want reliability get a Japanese one, Toyota or Honda are bulletproof and so that means no surprise bills...
Not Nissan?
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My neighbour has a 68 plate Qashqai and it's been at the dealers at least a dozen times with electric gremlins.
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If you are buying and older car and want reliability get a Japanese one, Toyota or Honda are bulletproof and so that means no surprise bills...
Not Nissan?
The early Datsun cars were models of Austin ( A40 etc. ) made in conjunction with BMC ( I worked with people who had spent time in Japan installing equipment to make the cars ). Datsun ( later Nissan ) normally had decent engines but not sure about rest of car...
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If you are buying and older car and want reliability get a Japanese one, Toyota or Honda are bulletproof and so that means no surprise bills...
Not Nissan?
Nissan are now part of the same group as Renault and in my opinion do not have the same reputation as they once had.
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I've had quite a few nissans in the past, they used to be ultra reliable, and very durable.
Really simple cars that you could just drive and drive.
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On topic:
Crude oil peaked (?) at $76+ start July .
Now $72
http://www.livecharts.co.uk/daily_charts/daily_charts.php
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Why I appreciate that no one likes pay more for petrol, what can you actually do about? You can't not buy it so you're kind of stuck really.
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My neighbour has a 68 plate Qashqai and it's been at the dealers at least a dozen times with electric gremlins.
I was put off Nissans when they put out the frog-eyed Micra based on the Clio chassis. Horribly poky interior compared with the previous generation of Micras.
If they inherited French electrics from Renault too, I'm not surprised to hear the Qashqao being plagued with problems.