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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk4 2020 - => Topic started by: csp on March 03, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
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Honda Press release announces UK Jazz Mk4 models SE, SR EX and Crosstar priced £18,890, rising to £23,580
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/honda-reveals-2020-jazz-pricing-uk-trims
But will almost £19000 for a basic SE may put off traditional Jazz customers just adding metallic paint and a service package would put the price over £20000.
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It's pricey.
Maybe it's a plot. Instead of making electric cars cheaper, they are going to make everything else more expensive!
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It's pricey.
Maybe it's a plot. Instead of making electric cars cheaper, they are going to make everything else more expensive!
:-X sounds about right, trying to price motorists off the road.............
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Must have had a bad day claiming expenses at HQ, quite pathetic really given customer loyalty in UK.
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Full press release attached. Order books are now open so I would expect to see the full specifications very soon.
https://hondanews.eu/gb/en/cars/media/pressreleases/201913/pricing-details-confirmed-for-all-new-honda-jazz
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The lowest Mk4 grade seems to be SE. The Mk3 SE CVT starts at £17340, although non-metallic colours no longer seem to be on offer, so in practice the list price is now £17840. The MK 4 is therefore about £1000 more, assuming the SE spec is similar. I expect at that price there will be enough early adopters to keep the dealers happy and to provide us with some reports of any practical problems arising.
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I would want at least a year of them on the road before I get interested. And even then, it would be in an ex-demo or pre-registered vehicle. I plan on retiring in 2021 so the timing could work quite nicely for me.
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I had been interested in the Crosstar due the claimed increased ride height but it seems it will be the top of the range and have a black roof (the optimum worst for heating in the sunshine). Roof rails also add to the drag (and CO2) so the marketing people haven't yet calculated the implications of the EU fine for excess CO2 on pricing. Maybe next year there will be more focus on getting the CO2 number down?
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Just received a phone call from Listers Solihull to say that they now have the full specifications for the new Jazz. Unfortunately due to other commitments I will not be able to visit them for a few days but I will keep checking the Honda uk website for any updates (nothing yet though).
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Although nothing on the Honda website, Listers have the equipment lists for all four hybrid models on their website.
Unfortunately copying the link proved unsuccessful but go to listers.co.uk and use the search options for new + Honda + Jazz. This will bring up the current range but towards the bottom of the page you will see the new models. Don’t take too much notice of the tech info at this stage as it only refers to the petrol engine and ignores the electric motor.
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Try these pages for the different models:
https://listers.co.uk/new/cars/honda/jazz/1.5_i-mmd_hybrid_se/92774 - 78.5 claimed mpg and 82 g/km CO2
https://listers.co.uk/new/cars/honda/jazz/1.5_i-mmd_hybrid_sr/92775 - ditto
https://listers.co.uk/new/cars/honda/jazz/1.5_i-mmd_hybrid_ex/92776 - 76.3 claimed mpg and 84 g/km CO2
https://listers.co.uk/new/cars/honda/jazz/1.5_i-mmd_hybrid_crosstar_ex/92777 -72.4 claimed mpg and 89 g/km CO2
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So four trims... Well done.
I made a brief summary about the 4 trims.
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Looking harder at the specs I notice that the headline mpg and CO2 are for the old testing regime (Directive 1999/100/EC).
For the Crossstar, the two versions of the numbers are old combined = 72.4 mpg, WLTP combined = 58.9 mpg and for CO2 old = 89 g/km and WLTP = 110 g/km. The "Extra high" WLTP test regime has a very significant adverse effect on the combined total. "High" = 68.9 mpg and "extra high" = 44.8 mpg. The corresponding numbers for the EX are 72.4 mpg and 47.9 mpg. Amble along a 60 mpg and the drive train is efficient whereas at 70 mph or more it evidently gets out of its comfort zone and becomes a gas guzzler.
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Specs comparison between a 2020 Hybrid EX and a 2018 1.3 EX 6m.
I see a huge improvement in performance and consumption.
The hybrid top speed depends by the internal combustion engine, not by the electric motor, the 1.5 has more torque but less power than the 1.3.
The 1.5 is still an atkinson L series, timing chain, 13.5:1 compression ratio as the 1.3 but with direct fuel injection.
The hybrid assembly should weight about 250kg, maybe more if Honda made the new chassis lighter.
No trail admitted, as we can see.
Same fuel tank capacity, some luggage capacity less but the hybrid sould lose only the space under the luggage pavement.
I like it.
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It's a pity there are no parking sensors in the SE version, but perhaps they'll come back at the first update, or it could be a bargaining point with the dealer. I'm sure the wiring will be there. It looks as though fuel savings of over 25% will be readily achievable, which is an attractive prospect.
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The last graphic at https://paultan.org/2020/02/13/2020-honda-jazz-hybrid-detailed-for-europe/ shows that the battery is in the front part of the boot so there will be nowhere for a spare wheel (but this is no worse than the current production Jazzes). However, rural phone coverage is gradually improving so the need to carry a spare in case of a damaged tyre somewhere with no phone coverage is reducing.
Regarding the parking sensors, I'll be interested to see if they only make a noise or also provide a good graphical display showing the distance remaining to the obstacle. The sensors on my HR-V are too coarse and give a continuous noise when there's still a significant gap to the obstacle (I presume the Jazz is the same).
And a key question has to be whether the "OK" button on the infotainment screen has been banished.
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I hope the fuel saving will follow wltp data.
About parking sensors, I agree with you.
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Regarding the parking sensors, I'll be interested to see if they only make a noise or also provide a good graphical display showing the distance remaining to the obstacle. The sensors on my HR-V are too coarse and give a continuous noise when there's still a significant gap to the obstacle (I presume the Jazz is the same).
And a key question has to be whether the "OK" button on the infotainment screen has been banished.
The Jazz handbook says that the rear centre parking sensor sounds continuously at 35 cms or less, and I think that's about what mine does. There's no front centre sensor, although I don't know why - I would welcome one.
I think the OK button or some similar warning may be a regulatory requirement, or a device to protect the manufacturer from injury claims.
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I think the OK button or some similar warning may be a regulatory requirement, or a device to protect the manufacturer from injury claims.
My Garmin has the same. You have to agree not to be a d*ckhe@d, and if you are the onus is on you.
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I think the OK button or some similar warning may be a regulatory requirement, or a device to protect the manufacturer from injury claims.
No, don't think so. On my Toyota the built in Sat Nav 'OK screen' goes away on it's own after a few seconds and doesn't always appear in the first place. Seems like it's a manufacturers choice.
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I agree with Richardfrost.
Other navi system as toyotas and fiat show the ok button for some seconds, then the device starts running.