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olduser1

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2014, 03:09:44 PM »
I agree with chrisc the clue to the fault may well be in your first post - the owner starts the motor with the car in gear and stalls.
Can you get hold of a 2nd battery to jump start, we need to establish if the motor is turning over ie spinning quickly enough to fire it up.
Do you have second key if so try that first, then jump start.
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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2014, 03:10:18 PM »
The aa tried to jump start the car and also tried a second key

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2014, 03:11:34 PM »
Here's a good online manual for your model jazz
http://www.hondafitjazz.com/manual.html
detailed page access best using IE rather than Firefox

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2014, 08:42:44 PM »
Starting the car in gear would draw a very large current indeed from the battery,  much larger than starting the car normally. The excess current may have damaged the contacts in the starter circuit (the solenoid pushes the starter gear into mesh with the flywheel teeth and when the gear is fully forward this closes some heavy electrical contacts  and puts power to the starter motor) or the actual brushes or their leads on the motor may be damaged.   The clue is that the headlights don't dim when trying to start the engine - so no extra current is being drawn from battery to try to start the car.   Check all the cable contacts in the heavy lead from positive (+) battery terminal and the earth cable to body and heavy braid strap from negative terminal to the engine block this may have been broken by the jerk on the engine.   There is no fuse in the actual main cable to starter motor because this can carry over 200 amps when starting the engine.

You should at least hear the solenoid 'clicking' when the key is turned,  unless the starter gear is now permanently engaged with the flywheel, but pushing the car back and forward in gear will normally free this up.
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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2014, 10:33:51 AM »
The electrical diagram (provided by olduser1) for the ignition switch/starter is easy to follow.  Seeing yours is not a CVT model, you can ignore the relay which bypasses the starter current from the switch

You are looking for a black/white cable from the ignition to the starter solenoid.  There is a 50 amp fuse (no 3) before the ignition switch, but if this were blown, none of the ignition operations (indicators, radio) would operate

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2014, 01:11:46 PM »
Did you try turning the crank with socket to check the engine will turn over?
when you next try to start depress the clutch pedal fully

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2014, 12:15:27 PM »
He says there is no action whatever from the starter motor.  If the engine were seized for example, there would still be a pronounced click as the solenoid engaged.

It needs to be diagnosed by using tools to measure the voltage, etc

My neighbour's Lexus will not start unless you completely depress the clutch pedal
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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2014, 12:20:27 PM »
My neighbour's Lexus will not start unless you completely depress the clutch pedal

I think this car is earlier, but I think from 2011 or 2012 model year all EU cars have that affliction.

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2014, 01:28:14 PM »
I'm not a genius at motors tbh turning the crank to check the engine how do I do that?

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2014, 07:46:46 PM »
So I've managed to get an auto electrician out. Managed to bump start it...the starter is gone. Now my next question is will another car for example accord civic starter motor work for the jazz?

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2014, 10:54:30 PM »
Hi ,Have you tried checking the engine to body earth cable,worth a try.

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2014, 10:54:51 PM »
Yeh he did all that :)

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2014, 10:59:51 PM »
Hi,Look on Ebay under Honda Jazz starter motors you will find one easy.

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2014, 11:03:38 PM »
Yeh but need it for Saturday and local ebayor a have accord and civic but not jazz

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Re: Car just won't start
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2014, 06:49:29 AM »
You'll have to compare an exploded diagram to see if the mounting holes, etc are the same.  I'd say there is a good chance
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