no flappy paddles for CVT

[Defender]

I like my 'flappy paddles', no I don't use then that often, but when I do it works well.
So no manual control of the gearbox then, smells of cost cutting rather than an improvement?
I guess we'll have to wait and see what the new Jazz CVT has to offer??

[guest4871]

I find this a little difficult to understand.

How do you achieve engine breaking (e.g. going down a steep hill or just slowing down) without being able to select a lower gear?
When you shut the throttle the car does not freewheel, the driven wheels are still connected to the engine so you get engine braking. The gearbox control unit also senses when you are going down hill with the throttle shut and lowers the gear ratio accordingly.

Or accelerate in a short burst (e.g. to overtake a cyclist)?
Simply open the throttle, the gearbox control unit senses the demand and lowers the gear ratio. The wider the throttle opening the lower the ratio, the better the acceleration.

Are there other ways of using a lower gear without using the paddles?
Select 'S' mode. This will do two things, it will lower the effective gear ratio that you are in immediately and raise the gear change up point revolutions for better performance. This is why I said previously about using 'S' for overtaking.

Vic.

Sorry - I should have said "Are there other ways of using a lower gear without using the paddles when in S mode?".

[stiggysawdust]

I like my 'flappy paddles although I don't use them that often, but when I do they work brilliantly.
Yet another reason why I do not intend to move up to a newer Jazz.

[guest4871]

i have collected my new Jazz today and like JazzDriver I have no paddles
 on the steering wheel.  I have holes!!!! and an L button on the gear stick
The demonstrator we drove had paddles    why have I not been informed of the change.   Have i any redress with the dealer or Honda, We wanted paddles.

Paddles are still listed on Honda's website under Instruments and Controls.

http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/jazz/compare-range/?preselect=10468_10531_13

Sounds like a serious case of miss selling by dealer even if manufacturer's spec has changed. I think I would get some advice on this.

[Eddie Honda]

I think I skim read somewhere that some more basic spec CVT new Jazzes in NZ were paddleless and some upper trim levels had them. But I could be mistaken.

[madasafish]

i have collected my new Jazz today and like JazzDriver I have no paddles
 on the steering wheel.  I have holes!!!! and an L button on the gear stick
The demonstrator we drove had paddles    why have I not been informed of the change.   Have i any redress with the dealer or Honda, We wanted paddles.

Paddles are still listed on Honda's website under Instruments and Controls.

http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/jazz/compare-range/?preselect=10468_10531_13

Sounds like a serious case of miss selling by dealer even if manufacturer's spec has changed. I think I would get some advice on this.

The manufacturers include a clause to the effect "the specification may change without notice--- as we see fit - and tough luck "..

Unless you specified paddles as the key to an order, it's likely you are stuffed.

[guest4871]

I don't think it works like that these days.

There are well established grounds for rejecting a new car.

I do think it would be worthy of taking some professional advice.

[Defender]

I have been thinking about a car change, depending on the MOT results of the No.2/winter car (not the Jazz), not having paddles is a negative point, I was surprised that the new (2014) Skoda Yeti 4x4 Tdi we have at work doesn't have any, but then again it doesn't have aircon either