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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Topic started by: guest1521 on March 28, 2011, 06:54:42 PM
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The restless, jiggly ride is my one major negative - after yesterday's 450 mile return trip (mainly on motorways) in my '09 GE Jazz. Loads of positives, though.
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door seals, damn wind noise :o apart from this no problems
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understeer (getting used to skinny high profile rubber again), slightly noisy engine (cricket noise when cold when accelerating), bit too sit-up-and-beg driving position with seat height too high, getting used to all that and love the jazz
bring in the 1.5 engine to the uk
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Invite Honda UK to market the 1.4S spec car @ £13000 OTR without a 20 week delivery time
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My biggest bugbear at the moment is dashboard reflections in the windscreen when it's sunny (hence the polarising sunglasses! - see other thread)
An option to switch off the radio/clock display backlight at night when not in use would be nice.
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Update the clock from the RDS signal in the radio, like many other manufacturers do. Use soft feel trim on the dash etc, the hard recycled plastic causes noise when seat belt buckles etc tap on trim.
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Let the UK have the 1.5 RS model
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I agree - for me the ride is the major disappointment. I'm looking for more evidence that the 2012 model is better.
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door seals, damn wind noise :o
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and of course missing of 1.5 model though from my point of view its not relevant anymore cos I'm not really planning to change my car in next 8 years or so :)
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My biggest bugbear at the moment is dashboard reflections in the windscreen...
Hear, hear. I would change the poorly designed cheap plastic dashboard; responsible for annoying windscreen reflections.
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I would like to see a 1.5 sport version. That would be the icing on the cake!!
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Ah the Honda Jazz, a car thats a success in the UK despite Honda's best efforts.
I keep looking at the Jazz but 3 years up the road and having just tried the new 2012 model one, still not taking the jump.
Main issues.
Ride/steering. Dear Honda, can you actually make the damn thing handle and steer properly? If it's beyond your wit, ask any Honda ricer tuning mag and they'll tell you what to do to make it go right.
Interior. Oh come on Honda! You can do better than this! You've got <£10k trim quality in a car that costs >£15k!
Engines. Please! Can we have the 1.5! No excuses! You build the damn things in Swindon with the 1.5 engine for export! What's up Honda? You worried you'll scare people if you move the Jazz out of the pedestrian performance class in the UK?
Gearbox. Why no proper torque converter automatic for the UK? Same again, no excuses, you build Jazz's with a TC box for export in Swindon.
My wife loves her 2000 Honda Logo to bits, but it's getting on. After 11 years, I would expect the Honda Jazz to be offering something so much better. Better trim? Not particularly. Better engines? Not overly. Better gearbox's? CVT in the Logo seems fine. Better handling? Nope. Better steering? Nope. Quicker? No!
The Jazz is a bit more economical and has 5 doors, but that's about it - hardly a compelling sell. Offer it with a 1.5 engine and the sporty trim like the US spec Fits and we'd be talking turkey. Offer us the Fit RS and I'd write a cheque tomorrow.
Honda seem to be resolutely aiming the Jazz at the over 65's in the UK, unlike other markets were the car is aimed at a younger and more sporty inclined age group.
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I have had a GD DSi for a few years now and am very impressed with its mix of good fuel economy, taut ride, agile handling and pretty good power to weight ratio. I don't know what you guys expect from a car that was designed by Honda to be a great city car that is not too shady on long distances, has room for 5 adults and the kind of adaptable seating arrangement that would make an grand master of origami proud.
Come on you guys you are trying to turn the Jazz into some kind of hot hatch cult car for younger people, and that was never the intention of Honda. The Jazz was and still is a ground breaking design that has proved very popular all over the world, EVEN in the USA (OK it has the 1.5 VTEC in USA), the DSi engine is a fine piece of kit, much misunderstood, and ideally suited to the cars original design brief. The Jazz is not a success in spite of itself, it is a success because it is a great car that appeals to a wide audience and does exactly what it says on the tin. And while it is seen as an 'older mans car' that is simply because older people want a car that is finished when it leaves the factory and don't want to endlessly mess with their car like youngsters do (sometimes with more enthusiasm than knowledge).
I have owned and driven lots of cars up to 4 litres, and the Jazz still has the ability to make me smile when I drive it and will leave most other cars for dead on twisty roads. I also ride motorbikes and while the Honda may not have the power to weight ratio of Fireblade it is still a very good everyday car to drive and gets me from A to B in good order.
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If I want a dull shopping car, I can always buy a Hyundai i10, Honda made their name building cars that went like blazes.
Even Honda have finally accepted their is a need for a fast and furious Jazz after years of ignoring customer feedback.
Boing! said Zebedee!
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Agree entirely Ichiban. But I think its not Honda that is the problem. Its Honda UK, friend of pensioners, that causes the poor image of the Jazz here! BTW, I'm nearly of state pension age, but we aren't all sluggish in our physical and mental condition. Just get on with it Swindon. Its not as though the sales of Jazz are that bouyant here.
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Offer us the Fit RS and I'd write a cheque tomorrow.
I wonder if you would though? The trouble is, the UK price would probably be ridiculous.
The other issue for cars sold in Europe is that the EU requires car manaufacturers to keep their overall emissions low - a 1.5 Jazz, especially a torque convertor auto, would cost Honda dear.
I like the idea of a 4 wheel drive Jazz - they're sold in some countries, including Japan (RHD of course, so ne big deal to sell it here). But at the end of the day I probably wouldn't buy one.
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Problem with having 'fast and furious' cars is that they use more fuel, and with regular unleaded now over £6 a gallon I think most car buyers are now looking for cars that offer good space, reasonable performance and as many miles as can be squeezed out of every gallon of fuel (OK or Km per litre of fuel). In todays competitive market cars have to appeal to the widest audience, and late teenagers / early twenties with a death wish are not a large part of that market.
Performance cars are now for the rich and famous, I work with a guy who has a Mazda RX-8, and at 18 mpg on a good day he cannot afford the fuel anymore even though he is in a pretty well paid job and is single and living at home, I also know a guy with an MGF tuned to well over 200bhp, but guess what, it hardly leaves his garage and he uses an 'very ordinary' diesel vehicle for everyday use.
I know we would all want 0-62 in less than 6 seconds and 155mph top speed but the truth is that you cannot legally go faster than 70mph on a British public highway.
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Fast and furious? Talk about hyperbole!!! The RS has only 120 hp. About the same as a MINI Cooper. No-one expects Type R performance. Just a brisk capability, rather like the CRZ, but without the dead weight of the half-hearted hybrid. ???
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Honda could always go down the turbo-charging route, that could be a good compromise between increasing the horsepower without harming emissions. I've driven an Audi A1 with the 85bhp 1.2-litre turbo and it feels quicker than the 100bhp 1.4 GE Jazz. The 1.2 litre 105bhp version of the same engine used in the VW Polo I think matches the 1.4 engine for CO2 and mpg.
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For me it's probably the parcel shelf with silly flappy bits! Half the reason I went for a Jazz was the rear load space and the poppers are a stark contrast with the slick operation of the magic seats! The GD roller thing was much better, and could be removed and fitted across the bottom of the boot too.
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For me it's probably the parcel shelf with silly flappy bits!
They have disappeared on the new refresh, allegedly to enable the limited recline of the rear seats.
My theory as to why the UK Jazzes have limited engine options is that bigger engines would overlap with the Civic. While on holiday in New Zealand I noticed that they had 1.8 litre Jazz Sports on the Honda sales forecourts (but no trace of any Civics). They also have a lower maximum speed limit (100 km/h) than the UK so I wonder if the purpose of the bigger engine is to make boat towing feasible.
So what would I improve? The ride quality on patched roads leaves something to be desired, even on the latest models.
John
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As far as Honda UK are concerned, younger drivers would go for the Civic, leaving the Jazz to pick up those older buyers who bought the previous Civics up to 2006. Seems a win-win for Honda as they can attract younger buyers, especially those who'd normally consider a Golf/A3 and who don't want/can't afford a Civic Type R without loosing the traditional owner base.
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DASH BOARD REFLECTIONS
I have more or less cured the annoying dash board reflections in the Screen by purchsing from a small haberdashers shop in Croydon, a cheap offcut of dense black cotton velvet just the width of the dash and about 12" (300mm) costing £1.77. It lies across the dash - avoiding the vents of course and needing no adhesive. It has transformed driving in sunshine under trees. No longer does my wife listen to me grumbling and having to slow right down to safely see what's ahead. Honda, clever people that they are, should take this on board. I'd be interested to know whether other owners have found the reflections annoying?
Frank
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The dashboard reflections seem worse on the 2012 Jazz than I remember on the 2009 Jazz. Honda seem to use hard recycled plastic trim which easily marks.I would prefer a soft touch trim that did not result in reflections and minor rattles from items in trays and the glove box etc. I have lined some of the the trays and the glove compartment with rubber and soft materials.
The Jazz is still far better than anything else in its class though.
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Jazz 1.4 EX 2009 = I'd have a more powerful engine or better (shorter) gear ratios. I've never known a car that requires as much gear changing, especially on hills. I went up a particular hill at Holmfirth the other night and I had to slip the clutch in first gear to get up (I've never had to do this in any other car that I've owned.)
It seems such a shame that Honda design such a clever car then the UK division lumbers it with underpowered engines, horrid intergalatic gear ratios, anaesthetised handling, jiggy ride, expensive and hard to find tyres on the top of the range model and a parcel shelf with press-studs.
It feels like there's a really good car underneath it all trying to get out, but it's hampered by the engine/gear ratios/suspension. Strangely, the 2012 1.4ES I had as a courtesy car (which is what made me want a Jazz) seemed more torquey and was far more economical when compared to my 50,000 mile three year old EX, which makes me wonder if they've been changing the gear ratios or engine mapping on the sly.
On the plus side, the Magic Seats are genius, there is storage space galore including two sizeable gloveboxes and a decent boot, a fantastic stereo, superb equipment levels throughout the range, great panoramic glass roof and big 16" wheels on the EX, the seats are excellent (and big enough for bigger people, too), heater warms up super quickly, you can get in and out without banging your head on the windscreen pillar (unlike the Civic and pretty much every other modern car) and it seems very well made. Reasonable economy too, assuming that the trip computer is accurate (which it probably isn't). Can be made to shift if you get it above 4,000 revs.
I actually prefer the ride/handling balance on the EX 16" wheels rather than the 15" wheels - yes, it's a bit more jiggly but it feels more planted, handles better and looks better. It's not like the 15" wheel version is that much more supple anyway.
Do I like the car? Bit of a love/hate realationship really.
Would I buy another? Only if it had another 20bhp and the CVT automatic.
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I have the answer to dashboard reflections, Flocking :o
No it's not as rude as it sounds ;D, some examples here:-
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dashboard+flocking&qpvt=dashboard+flocking&FORM=IGRE (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dashboard+flocking&qpvt=dashboard+flocking&FORM=IGRE)
It's been used in motorsport for years to reduce glare from dashboards, the main drawback is that you have to remove the dashboard to have it done :(
Having only had my Jazz for five weeks I can't comment on the shiny dashboard issue yet.
I would however like a little more frontend feedback, it's not that it doesn't go where you point it, it just feel as if you know exactly where it's wheels are being pointed.
I guess coming from a MINI which was very positive in that sense which I miss.
I might try running 195/55 16's as I still have a set from the MINI sitting around.
Yes, another 20bhp wouldn't go amiss as long as the front end was a bit more 'pointy'.
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Jiggly/Noisy ride unacceptably harsh for a car at this price point.
No 1.5 engine - not essential but would be better for m'way cruising if it did imo.
UNDERSTEER - Lots of it, whether wet or dry. I think it's probably due to the tyres being so skinny, but it does seem to be quite noticeable on the Jazz c.f. other cars I've driven.
This goes hand in hand with what Defender said above - poor feedback from what the front "steering" wheels are doing. I don't want a rally cross turbo super f1 gt sports car, but even comparative cars like the old Polo have more feedback than this anaesthetised steering rack.
Occasional notchy gearbox (esp. when cold) - It doesn't actually crunch, it just "feels" nobbly if that makes any sense, rather than always feeling smooth - maybe it's just me but my old 1.5 Civic one was FAR nicer in feel (I've driven other GE Jazzes and they feel similar so it's definitely the design imho).
This:
Foot off accelerator and clutch in to change gear (e.g. going up gears).
The revs rise up briefly for no reason at all - whilst foot is OFF accelerator.
Makes you look like some kind of Learner driver.
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STOP DOING THIS YOU STUPID CAR!
None of my other cars did/do and I haven't really changed my driving style over the years (apart from being smoother if anything…).
I obviously adapt my driving style when in the Jazz to limit this but the point is I shouldn't have to for this one car alone (in which it is VERY noticeable).
Road/Wind noise - again, far too high.
Interior - a step down from the previous GD imo - full of cheap hard'n'nasty plastics
Better range of colours - I would have liked a darker grey than my Storm Silver but they only had 6 metallic/pearl ones to choose from when I bought my '10 model ES.
The ability to change the radio by giving the info to the right 3rd party manufacturers (who could then produce replacement fascia's with double din holes in them, mounting plates/cages and holes for ALL the other buttons too).
Things to NOT mess with:
Fuel economy
Looks (I like it's mini-MPV looks)
Reliability
Cheap servicing and costs
Overall I still like my car, but believe it could easily be improved in a few areas.
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The one thing I think needs addressing is the reflection problem which is exacerbated by the shape of the housing over the instruments.
I find the power / gearing / handling fine for my needs, but the CVT handles the gearshifts and the hybrid system probably boosts the low end torque. Certain road surfaces cause tyre noise but the car runs very quietly on a smooth surface.
John
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Access to some of the components in the engine is fiddly and awkward, although routine servicing items are easy. Maybe Japanese mechanics have smaller hands than westeners.
I cannot fault the car though, Excellent design and build quality, especially for the price. The nearest rival is Hyuandai and 10 mins in a Hyundai will make you realise how well engineered the Jazz is.
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[the jiggly and harsh ride,tyre and wind noise,all the rest is all pretty good,but a 1.5 engine would be a whole lot better.i have the latest cvt, and it is brilliant,far better than my previous golf mark 5 autobox.the dunlop sp2030 are really grippy.i][/i]
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No problems with the ride, just the tyre noise...
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No problems with the ride, just the tyre noise...
What tyres are you on?
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[but a 1.5 engine would be a whole lot better.i have the latest cvt, and it is brilliant.the dunlop sp2030 are really grippy.i][/i]
+1 for the 1.5 engine option, the CVT is taking some getting used to, but works very smoothly.
I'll reserve judgement on the Dunlop SP2030's as I only ran them for a few cold days before I swapped over to winter tyres.
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Not trying to be too controversial, but those that complain about the ride . . . . did you not test drive it??
Don't just poodle down the road half a mile and back again, take it 10 miles or so, various speeds, on various roads, etc.
If you want a sports car then obviously don't look at a Jazz, but if you want a smaller car to carry 2-4 people and occassionaly shopping or luggage reasonable distances its fine, however if you need to carry 5 adults, copious luggage and tour Europe for weeks at a time maybe look at something else.
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Ozzie is so right - an extensive test drive is a 'must' for buying any car. The usual 'round the block' with a salesman passenger is too often a recipe for 'buy in haste, repent at leisure.'
Just returned from a 750-mile Christmas round trip with two adult passengers and luggage for a week away, not to forget Xmas presents... a third of which I happily rode in the back seat (6'1" tall.) GE Jazz - 1.2 manual g'box, even - is great, for such a small car, for so many things. All of which I recognised in my test drive vs several of its supermini competitors. Tardis-like accommodation coupled with a visual feeling of 'space' (windowscape?) whether from back or front seat was the leading positive point of difference. 'Fit and finish' was another major observation and things simply... 'work' snick-snack, clickety-click.
For me (as the OP of this thread) 'jiggly/restless ride' was a trade off I was prepared to make against so many positives in the test drive. I just feel that the suspension is the ONE significant thing that lets down what would otherwise be a truly superb, possibly leading, motoring 'package' in its competitive sector. But that's simply my opinion. P'raps the high roofline (body roll) presents a suspension engineering challenge that's not cheaply overcome.
Nevertheless after 3years/29,000 miles and all sorts of motoring, I'd happily buy another Jazz.
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I would choose 2 improvements, a lower spec Jazz built to UK customer requirements with min electrical additions bought via a group purchase basis ie internet order for a limited production run of 250 UK Models all the same spec colour etc then serviced by a mechanic at your home. Oh and the price OTR £11,999.99 with 5 year 100000mile guarantee.
Come on Honda get with the power of the web
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No problems with the ride, just the tyre noise...
What tyres are you on?
Michelin Energy Saver.
On my Yaris they are very quiet.
On the Jazz, quiet on good surfaces but VERY noisy on non smooth tarmac.
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No problems with the ride, just the tyre noise...
What tyres are you on?
All non-metalled roads provide a lot more noise. Here many of the secondary roads are gravel and I mostly drive a Mitsubishi 4X4 on them. The pounding and vibration is quite intense, even at speeds under 80km/hr. With gravel roads with bad corrugations from having heavy trucks on them, you have to drive over 100km/hr so you just hit the tops of the bumps. Tremendous dust cloud behind.
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ChrisC... 'Metal' meaning, for the 'non-colonials', full width with gravel and stones. Just the sort of road my formative years of motoring experience were on! Plumes of billowing dust. Never been so enjoyable since...
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I'm with 'Ivytek' on this one, for the overall package there is nothing to beat the Jazz, every car has its good and bad points, you pays yer money and make your choice.
Re the 'jiggly/harsh ride, my daughter has a 2012 5 series BMW, a car costing more than twice the price on the Jazz, in my view the ride is no better. Anyway, I much prefer this type of ride, to the rock & roll gait of many of the competitors.
Perhaps my only criticism would be the limited choice of tyres and maybe windscreen reflections. Also there should also be a better choice of standard colours, ie, in the UK, Red is the only colour you can have, without paying extra. Other than that I am happy and would certainly buy another one.
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intermittent rear wiper
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Perhaps my only criticism would be the limited choice of tyres
16inch only. Those of use who did some research went ES to avoid tyres costing twice they should do :-)
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Perhaps my only criticism would be the limited choice of tyres
16inch only. Those of use who did some research went ES to avoid tyres costing twice they should do :-)
Similar price but less choice which is a bit annoying if you want a quieter tyre.
The ride in the EX is a good compromise between comfort and handling in my opinion. Quite sporty and reasonable comfort.
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intermittent rear wiper
I have an intermittent rear wiper on my '11 EX :D.
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The perceived quality of the interior - the GE is a step back over the GD. Honda can match VW - look at the Accord and Civic next to the Passat and Golf mk5/6; even the GD model matched the like-for-like generation VW Polo.
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Perhaps my only criticism would be the limited choice of tyres
16inch only. Those of use who did some research went ES to avoid tyres costing twice they should do :-)
Similar price but less choice which is a bit annoying if you want a quieter tyre.
The ride in the EX is a good compromise between comfort and handling in my opinion. Quite sporty and reasonable comfort.
I agree, I actually prefer the ride/handling balance on the EX with its 16" inch wheels - I test drove both. The glass roof, cruise control, climate control and the look of the bigger wheels on the 2009 EX swung it for me, although the ES is a very well specified package, it would be top of the range in any other small car. I've been in a lot of modern cars with a far worse ride than any of the Jazz models - it seems to be the fashion, sadly.
Mind you, the Jazz replaced a ten year old mega mile Honda CR-V with shot dampers and loads of wind noise, so the ride quality and wind noise for me has improved considerably when compared with my old car!
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I have just read an article on the new Vauxhall Adam, in it they (VX) were able to alter the characteristics of the car in a matter of minutes from the Euro to the UK spec., there are 16 different levels of assistance depending upon the speed of the car.
If Vauxhall can alter the steering response specifically for the UK why not Honda for the Jazz?
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I have just read an article on the new Vauxhall Adam, in it they (VX) were able to alter the characteristics of the car in a matter of minutes from the Euro to the UK spec., there are 16 different levels of assistance depending upon the speed of the car.
If Vauxhall can alter the steering response specifically for the UK why not Honda for the Jazz?
I have owned Vauxhalls for 23 years prior to getting the Jazz, and in my experience Vauxhall change things because they have "discovered it" rather than wait to see if it is reliable, practical or necessary !
I would still go for a larger fuel tank, maybe 60 litres, which would allow us to use 50 of them !
Possibly put fog lights on a simple press switch, not twisty switch on the indicator stalk. Pupils have everything going on and off when demonstrating the fog lights, I suppose it does provide some amusement !
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intermittent rear wiper
Yes, a good idea. I fitted a timer using a 555 chip which sends a pulse to the rear wiper every 10 seconds or so. The pc-board is about the size of a matchbox.
See (similar) (http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o505/capecomputerclub/555timer_zps98d90f9e.png)
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Agree with Richard the interior is a step backwards.
I would like two changes both to the wing mirrors, Automatically folding when the car is switched off and automatically tilt down when reversing.
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Agree with Richard the interior is a step backwards.
I would like two changes both to the wing mirrors, Automatically folding when the car is switched off and automatically tilt down when reversing.
Yes, yes, yes to automatically folding when parked.
No, no, no to automatically tilting down when reversing.
I use the mirrors for reversing generally, not just parking. In fact the huge size of the GE wing mirrors means it just about possible to have a single position which shows normal rear view and the rear wheel/kerb for parking.
I drove a BMW once which dipped the mirrors when reversing...a royal pain.
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My wife's BMW's mirror dips when you engage reverse. It took quite a bit of figuring out what it was looking at and I don't use it at all. She likes it though, plus the beeps when you get close to something. There is also a camera in the centre of the bumper, just waiting to be hit by someone. It comes on to the same screen as the satnav. Actually, you need 3rd year rocket science to operate these things. At the moment it says "Nachtsicht-Modus" when you engage reverse since silly me fiddled with the language and stuffed up some setting!!!
The 2013 model has "Park assist" which will reverse park the car for you in a space 1/3 longer than the car itself without you having to do anything. I think these take all the fun out of driving
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intermittent rear wiper
I have an intermittent rear wiper on my '11 EX :D.
i wasnt going to pay £3000 extra for that lol
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I did a comparison EX to ES and decided most of the EX extras were "nice to have" only. .
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Not £3000. £7.99 from Maplin in the UK and a bit of effort. See http://www.maplin.co.uk/k2599-intermittent-wipercontroller-3182. I would say 30 mins to fit
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o505/capecomputerclub/ve03_zpsaeae7f3e.jpg)
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[reversing bleepers or a camera as on the toyota yaris would be nice on a car costing as much as the latest EX plus a better choice of tyres with the unusual size.b][/b]
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I have reversing sensors on my Jazz as part of some Pack which cost the first owner c £800.
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After 8 months and 20,000km I'm happy, can't fault the car. It's very well designed, does what it's supposed to do and does it very well. If I had to pick one item I would probably say the noisy engine fan.
Second choice would be to lower the seating position slightly so I could fit into the glass roof model and trade up :) Plenty of space in my tin-topped model but at 6'6" those extra inches taken up by the glass roof structure rule out the fancier trim level...
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I would have better headrests - I really don't like these much - they are the wrong shape in the wrong position¬!
At least make them able to tilt forward and back wards so it doesn't push my head forward
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I would have better headrests - I really don't like these much - they are the wrong shape in the wrong position¬!
At least make them able to tilt forward and back wards so it doesn't push my head forward
Ahhh. I thought it must be just me, but you are absolutely right. Glad i'm not on my own on this. A slight movement of the head and the headrest smacks you on the back of the head.
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I would have better headrests - I really don't like these much - they are the wrong shape in the wrong position¬!
At least make them able to tilt forward and back wards so it doesn't push my head forward
Ahhh. I thought it must be just me, but you are absolutely right. Glad i'm not on my own on this. A slight movement of the head and the headrest smacks you on the back of the head.
Strangely I find them perfect, most cars they're too far back. Probably due to my size and the resulting seat position though...
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I would have better headrests - I really don't like these much - they are the wrong shape in the wrong position¬!
At least make them able to tilt forward and back wards so it doesn't push my head forward
Ahhh. I thought it must be just me, but you are absolutely right. Glad i'm not on my own on this. A slight movement of the head and the headrest smacks you on the back of the head.
Strangely I find them perfect, most cars they're too far back. Probably due to my size and the resulting seat position though...
I find them fine, but I have my seat all the way back so again that'll be due to seating position rather than their design. I agree though that headrests these days are pretty poor. I had a H reg Ford Sierra XR4 nearly twenty years ago and it had brilliant headrests - they were multi height adjustable and tilted too, as did the rear head restraints in the rear (plus it had a heated front windscreen and headlamp wash/wipe too, which was brilliant in bad weather.) It's a shame that twenty years on headrests aren't as good and useful features like the heated front windscreen and headlamp wash/wipe aren't available on most cars. I'd rather have them than the pointless auto lights/wipers. I suppose that's "progress"!
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I would like a heated front screen but Ford have the copy right so no car maker can fit a heated front screen other than Ford.
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I would like a heated front screen but Ford have the copy right so no car maker can fit a heated front screen other than Ford.
Not anymore, I had one on my 2006 MINI Cooper and some other manufacturers have been offering them on higher end vehicles for some years.
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I would like a heated front screen but Ford have the copy right so no car maker can fit a heated front screen other than Ford.
Mazda, Volvo and Jaguar also fit heated front windscreens (they were part of Ford until recently).
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My Subaru Outback also had heated fr screen back in 2007
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I believe the paint is terrible. Fragile and thin. The car has been repainted by Honda under warranty but it is already beginning to peal and chip off again. I think that by its eighth birthday my jazz will be a pile of rust.
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I would like a heated front screen but Ford have the copy right so no car maker can fit a heated front screen other than Ford.
Mazda, Volvo and Jaguar also fit heated front windscreens (they were part of Ford until recently).
Land Rover too from the mid 2000's offered it as an option, some VAG cars have them now too.
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I would have better headrests - I really don't like these much - they are the wrong shape in the wrong position¬!
At least make them able to tilt forward and back wards so it doesn't push my head forward
Ahhh. I thought it must be just me, but you are absolutely right. Glad i'm not on my own on this. A slight movement of the head and the headrest smacks you on the back of the head.
Strangely I find them perfect, most cars they're too far back. Probably due to my size and the resulting seat position though...
I find them fine, but I have my seat all the way back so again that'll be due to seating position rather than their design. I agree though that headrests these days are pretty poor. I had a H reg Ford Sierra XR4 nearly twenty years ago and it had brilliant headrests - they were multi height adjustable and tilted too, as did the rear head restraints in the rear (plus it had a heated front windscreen and headlamp wash/wipe too, which was brilliant in bad weather.) It's a shame that twenty years on headrests aren't as good and useful features like the heated front windscreen and headlamp wash/wipe aren't available on most cars. I'd rather have them than the pointless auto lights/wipers. I suppose that's "progress"!
A good accessory would be different headrests I guess!
I can just get by with it right down so my head is slightly over it and the lumpy bit in the back of my neck!
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I would lose the auto lights and wipers (as I've managed perfectly well deciding whether to use wipers and lights myself for the last 18 years) and instead have a very simple and far more useful feature - a light in the glovebox!
Also, that sodding computer spends its entire life beeping at me because I have the temerity to start the car before shutting the door and putting my seatbelt on, yet it lets me run out of washer fluid without saying a word! My Sierra XR4, Escort Ghia and Mondeo Ghia in the 90s told me when my screenwash was running low and it was a useful feature as running out of screenwash is never good for safety. Oh, and while we're at it, headlamp wash would be nice on a top of the range model, too.
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The mention of useful features lost along the path of progress reminds me that my old Maestro (IIRC) was capable of blowing hot air onto windscreen and feet while concurrently providing cool fresh air for the face.
John
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The mention of useful features lost along the path of progress reminds me that my old Maestro (IIRC) was capable of blowing hot air onto windscreen and feet while concurrently providing cool fresh air for the face.
John
Was that the old Austin Maestro / MG Maestro - or something else...?
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Was that the old Austin Maestro / MG Maestro - or something else...?
Yes - the Austin Maestro.
John
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The mention of useful features lost along the path of progress reminds me that my old Maestro (IIRC) was capable of blowing hot air onto windscreen and feet while concurrently providing cool fresh air for the face.
John
That's the holy grail of car ventilation, such a simple thing to have and yet it's so rare. The Maestro is indirectly responsible for the nagging computer in the Jazz though, although at least the Jazz doesn't actually speak to me, unlike the voice synthesiser computer in the Maestro Vanden Plas would!
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My Jazz blows lots of hot air on the windscreen and cold air anywhere else I want...
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My wife's car (not a Jazz) says: "gurtstraffer aktivierenden" and then "einschalten hinten fernsehen" just in case you have not noticed it light up. It also has memory seats, and says, as you lay your finger on the START button, "sitz rückruf nicht organisiert". An incredible pain in the derriere. Afaik you can only make it soft, not switch it off. The car was only delivered on Wed and the damn book is over an inch thick with not that good English I thought.
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The mention of useful features lost along the path of progress reminds me that my old Maestro (IIRC) was capable of blowing hot air onto windscreen and feet while concurrently providing cool fresh air for the face.
John
That's the holy grail of car ventilation, such a simple thing to have and yet it's so rare. The Maestro is indirectly responsible for the nagging computer in the Jazz though, although at least the Jazz doesn't actually speak to me, unlike the voice synthesiser computer in the Maestro Vanden Plas would!
That was the 1600 Maestros - the MG 2.0 EFI didn't talk so that was better.
Actually a lot of people find the dinging annoying when you get in and start up - the only thing is either ignore it or make sure you seat belt up before putting the key in - but we all know we don't usually do things that way round!
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I have had a GD DSi for a few years now and am very impressed with its mix of good fuel economy, taut ride, agile handling and pretty good power to weight ratio. I don't know what you guys expect from a car that was designed by Honda to be a great city car that is not too shady on long distances, has room for 5 adults and the kind of adaptable seating arrangement that would make an grand master of origami proud.
Come on you guys you are trying to turn the Jazz into some kind of hot hatch cult car for younger people, and that was never the intention of Honda. The Jazz was and still is a ground breaking design that has proved very popular all over the world, EVEN in the USA (OK it has the 1.5 VTEC in USA), the DSi engine is a fine piece of kit, much misunderstood, and ideally suited to the cars original design brief. The Jazz is not a success in spite of itself, it is a success because it is a great car that appeals to a wide audience and does exactly what it says on the tin. And while it is seen as an 'older mans car' that is simply because older people want a car that is finished when it leaves the factory and don't want to endlessly mess with their car like youngsters do (sometimes with more enthusiasm than knowledge).
I have owned and driven lots of cars up to 4 litres, and the Jazz still has the ability to make me smile when I drive it and will leave most other cars for dead on twisty roads. I also ride motorbikes and while the Honda may not have the power to weight ratio of Fireblade it is still a very good everyday car to drive and gets me from A to B in good order.
. HI I'M NEW I don't know if i'm doing the right thing here by replying to this post here . in my opinion , honda designed the jazz as a practical family car not a sports car , if you want performance then one should buy the s2000 or the type R civic . the jazz 1.5 manual has a lot of power and performance for its engine size, it will not outrun a civic 2 litre but it will stick with it all the way up to about 160 kmph and then the civic pulls away but it won't shake the jazz off its tail according to a tester at temple of vtec asia
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The honda jazz is not a sports car , but with some prompting from legendary racers and drift kings for honda to produce a more powerful jazz or type R jazz as some may call it, Honda japan answered by building the 1.5 i vtec which produces 88 kw and 145 nm torque. the 1.5 jazz as tested by TOV asia kept up with a 2.0 l vtec up to about 160 kmph and then the 2.0l vtec started to pull away ( due to its 2.0l engine size) but it didn't shake the jazz off its tail or leave it for dead. now thats performance for you from a 1.5 i vtec engine. If honda wanted to make it go faster then there would be a compromise regarding fuel economy , Honda used technology used in the earlier type R engine to redesign the 1.5 i vtec . I'm so happy with my jazz i get the best of both worlds ie: fuel economy ( light as a 1.3 yaris in SA ) and performance that will out run most 1.6 litre cars . Some people complain that the jazz 1.5 manual needs a 6th gear , Honda knew what they were doing when they built the jazz , the car has sheer acceleration and it flattens hills , there is no changing down from 5th even with 4 passengers and luggage . Other car makers are using an extra gear to gain good mpg figures but honda used world first technology in its engine to get the fuel consumption close to the 1.4 dsi .The jazz also knocked Toyota corolla out of first position as top selling car in japan ( toyota held this position for 32 years consecutively) to become top selling car in Japan. It also won car of the year in japan 4 years consecutively
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to improve my jazz , i would remove the clutch damper valve which is integrated into the clutch master cylinder unit. i read some where on this site that someone was having problems with a juddering clutch and a problem with shifting from 1 to 2 . I have had the same problem but it was not the gearbox etc etc but with me getting used to driving a car with drive by wire throttle control and a damper valve fitted in clutch master cylinder unit (CDV). honda put this system there to protect the drivetrain from shock loads which are present when releasing the clutch too fast . the reason i think , is that the newer jazz flywheel and crankshaft are lighter ( the crank is 1 kg lighter) and honda had to take precaution regarding the strength of the lighter crank and flywheel.
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I remember reading in an article many years ago that BMW were very proud of the clutch damper on their cars, designed as you say to stop people 'dropping the clutch' too fast and putting a big strain on the transmission (and the passengers) - if its good enough for BMW !!!
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They should change the CVT version so if is allowed to pull a small trailer!
If it would be allowed to pull 1000kg or so that would be enough. The GD with CVT is allowed to pull 800kg.
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I have a 2012 Jazz EX-T with the 7inch touch screen Sat nav and radio which both have a clock when on however when these are switched off you get a screen with no clock so you have to have the Sat nav or radio on to be able to tell the time.
I now it's a minor thing but it's surprising how often you actually look at the clock.
Also like a lot of people it would be nice to have a bigger engine as I have driven a number of versions of the Civic,Accord and HRV all of which had much more get up and go than the Jazz
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Ok - I have lived with it for a while now
The wipers - the auto wipers - whilst they work I don't see the point!
Plus it is always when you get a little rain, and a busy junction, and the stoopid things
won't wipe and you can't see - so I override it anyway.
Yes they work a lot of the time - but they wipe when THEY decide to not when you want them to
I have mine on most sensitive now and they still delay wipin sometimes
Much prefer Variable Intermittent, Speed1 , Speed2 - Sorted.
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One glaring omission from the spec sheet is DAB radio. Most manufacturers seem to have taken the plunge these days.
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I just wish the road and wind noise was reduced. It's very annoying.
My next car is unlikely to be a Honda...Their styling is abysmal and the one car I quite liked - 1.6 CDTI Civic Tourer is both too expensive and dismal inside... and difficult to exit.
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Like Geof777 mentioned, the auto wipers also don't work the way I like. For me, it's fine when the rain is middling to heavy, but when the rain is light, the wipers don't activate as often as I like and I have to end up turning them on manually.
The other thing that bugs me slightly is the reflection of the dashboard onto the windscreen during sunny days.
The gear changes from 1st to 2nd gear using the i-shift transmission was originally quite jerky, but I found that it gradually improved (maybe my driving style adapted to it?) and the new software that was installed during the recall in 2012 also improved the smoothness of the gear changes.
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i would like easy access to the spark plugs and an intermittent rear wiper
im easy to please lol
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... and an intermittent rear wiper
It really bugged me on our previous generation Jazz that it didn't have an intermittant rear wiper. On the new one, only the S doesn't have it. However at speed very wet conditions, the intermittant setting really isn't enough - it could do with both!
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Mirrors that automatically fold when ignition switched off and/or can be folded with the ignition off.
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and the new software that was installed during the recall in 2012 also improved the smoothness of the gear changes.
Did they put a sticker on engine to mark the updates?