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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: JazzyJ on December 11, 2019, 02:13:38 PM
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So... my wife has a 2006 Sport (Mk2) and I have a 2017 EX (Mk3). I want to buy some winter/all season tyres for both and ideally be able to interchange between cars if needed. BUT, looking at the wheel spec on various on-line tyre sites:
the 2006 Sport has a tyre spec of 185/55r15 and wheel spec of 6Jx15 ET53 4x100
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the 2017 EX has a tyre spec of 185/55r16 and wheel spec of 6Jx16 ET53 4x100 or 6Jx15 ET50 4x100
So... would the 2006 Sport 6Jx15 ET53 4x100 fit the 2017 EX 6Jx16 ET53 4x100 and vice versa??
This is doing my head in.... any help would be so very much appreciated!
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I am curious why you would want to change the wheels between cars ?
Vic.
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No particular reason and you're quite right, on reflection might be pointless. I've now found these wheels I could use as winter rims on my 2017 EX with all season tyres:
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/alloy-wheels-brands/oxxo/oberon-4-4019/6x15-et50-4x100-56.6-909436?car=16888
The spec looks correct and although 15" and not 16" should be OK? It'll certainly make tyre choice/price more appealing. Looking at the Maxxis AP2 All Season tyres as a local garage highly recommends them. I'd use these 15" rims for winter and then put the OEM alloys back on for the summer with summer tyres.
For my wife's 2006 Sport I've been quoted £48 a corner fully fitted by a local garage on the Maxxis AP2's which seems a fair price.
So do you think the wheels on the above link will fit my 2017 EX fine?
Many thanks!!!
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If you plan on alternating your wheels, why get All Season tyres, which are a compromise to avoid wheel switching, over full on Winter tyres? Winter tyres will be so much more effective in snow and ice.
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If you are fiting smaller rims to the mk3, you just need to make sure that the rims clear the front brake calipers. Although the hub setup is basically the same, the later cars have bigger discs and calipers, and bigger wheels to clear them.
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If you plan on alternating your wheels, why get All Season tyres, which are a compromise to avoid wheel switching, over full on Winter tyres? Winter tyres will be so much more effective in snow and ice.
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And I would still get steel wheels for winter use as the danger of kerbing, skidding into kerbs and obstacles and damage to alloys from salt is more prevalent in winter, and the steel rims with much less open area protect the brakes much better from salt and road crud as well..... which can cause corrosion and binding / seizing of calipers - and steel rims only need a fresh coat of Hammerite / Plastikote to bring them back to new - not £50+ a wheel for refurbishment..
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Looking at the Honda UK website it looks like the S and SE both have 15" wheels with 185/60/r15 tyres with the EX having 16" wheels and 185/55/r16 tyres. Is the 2019 EX that much different to the 2017 EX? Also, regarding All Season v Winter tyres completely get what you're saying. My thought was I could use the All Seasons throughout the year if needed whereas the Winters would struggle during the summer months. Also, from reading reviews and living in the south of England the Winters may be over kill? The reason I'm thinking of going down this route and not just keeping summers all year round is that I'm self employed and live in a fairly rural area so getting from A to B during winter is essential.
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Sorry culzean, think you posted whilst I was writing. Appreciate what you're saying about steel rims, just that I guess I want to keep the car looking good (shallow I know). The alloys I've seen (seen in the link) are supposedly 'winter' alloys so hopefully wouldn't corrode too badly and be relatively easy to repair with a dab of paint. Not the most expensive alloys at £75 each as oppose to £36 for steels.
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The Nokian WR-D3 winter tyres on my wifes Jazz are on the car for 6 months each year and are actually wearing better than her summer tyres... ( this will be their 4th winter) the summer tyres do steer a little better but the ride is better on winters due to softer sidewalls, and the winters are no more noisy that the summers...
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Looking at the Honda UK website it looks like the S and SE both have 15" wheels with 185/60/r15 tyres with the EX having 16" wheels and 185/55/r16 tyres. Is the 2019 EX that much different to the 2017 EX?
I seem to remember a thread where someone had some bother fitting 15" rims as winter wheels from, I think, a mk1... but I can't remember if the recipient car was a mk2 or mk3.
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Thanks culzean, I'll look into them as it does seem to make more sense to go full winter on one set and full summer on the other. I've contacted Honda on this subject but it's like pulling teeth, you think it'd be a simple answer, Honda just seem to say they can't confirm! However, the on-line sites selling the wheels/tyres (almost all exclusively based in Germany) appear to say the wheels stated in my link will fit fine??
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So... would the 2006 Sport 6Jx15 ET53 4x100 fit the 2017 EX 6Jx16 ET53 4x100 and vice versa??
This is doing my head in.... any help would be so very much appreciated!
Yes, both wheels easily fit in both Jazz generation.
In Italy we have the problem that the highest trim come with only 16' wheels approved and the other two trims with only 15', so a Jazz can only mount wheels with its OEM trim specs; I had to buy 4 16' wheels for the winter set.
I hope in UK you have all measures approved.
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Hi Jazzaro. Do you have the details or even better a link to the 16" alloys you bought for your Jazz? Am I correct in assuming then that the EX steering geometry/set up is different to that of the S and SE hence the wheels can't be interchanged, even if the same year of model?
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Have a look here https://www.oponeo.co.uk/advice-and-tips/tyre-size-calculator
This will explain why TYRE size is also important , as it will affect your speedometer reading, and also your final gearing.
For example using the sizes you quoted, a 185/55 R15 tyre will have an overall diameter less than the 185/55 R16.
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185/55 R15 tyre will have an overall diameter less than the 185/55 R16.
Usually you find that the 15" wheels have 185/60 R15 tyres, which to all intent and purpose keeps the rolling radius the same.
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So if I buy 15" alloys (6Jx15ET53) with 185/60/r15 tyres theses should be fine on my 2017 Jazz EX that currently runs 16" alloys with 185/55r16 tyres? Does anyone think or have experience of the Honda warranty being invalidated as they are not 'Honda Factory Fitted"?
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Hi Jazzaro. Do you have the details or even better a link to the 16" alloys you bought for your Jazz? Am I correct in assuming then that the EX steering geometry/set up is different to that of the S and SE hence the wheels can't be interchanged, even if the same year of model?
My rims come from Dezent (a brand by Alcar), the model is TD. 16' OEM Jazz rims are not easy to replace because of the 6' width, quite all 16'rims start from 6,5'; my tire guy suggested me to use a rim with little differences in ET but keeping the same width of OEM wheels.
As I know, there is only one suspension setup of all GK trims, so wheels can be interchanged.
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185/55 R15 tyre will have an overall diameter less than the 185/55 R16.
Usually you find that the 15" wheels have 185/60 R15 tyres, which to all intent and purpose keeps the rolling radius the same.
The rolling radius is very similar, not the same, there is a small 1,1% difference.
https://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?wheel1=185-55-16X6ET53&wheel2=185-60-15X6ET53&fcl=50mm&wcl=30mm&scl=50mm&sr=0mm
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The rolling radius is very similar, not the same,
That' why I said "to all intent and purpose". For all the effect it has in the speedometer it is not worth bothering about. Especially when you consider the wheel/tyre diameter changes with tyre wear anyway.
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Hi There, Swapped mine from 16" rims to 15" and then changed tyres from 185/55/16 to 185/60/15.After my warrenty had run out. speed checked with sat nav and also online with tyre comparsion.Take a look at drivers piller door you will see 2 different sets of tyres for your car.
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The rolling radius is very similar, not the same,
That' why I said "to all intent and purpose". For all the effect it has in the speedometer it is not worth bothering about. Especially when you consider the wheel/tyre diameter changes with tyre wear anyway.
1,1% is small for tachos, big for other devices.
ABS ECU, used by the whole car CAN Network to get the speed (data sent to many other ECU such as power steering, door locking, instrument panel, engine ecu, infotainment and others) usually have a parameter to be set when you change your tire size, called Speed Index: in my old Clio I had to update it when I replaced OEM 165/65R15 with optional 185/60R15, even if the circumference difference was about 1,3%. The circumference affects the tachometer, but also brake power: the max brake efficiency, lowering brake lenght, is obtained by keeping the wheel speed at about 1% less than the vehicle real speed (1-1,5%% for dry road, 0,8-1% for wet road), so the ABS ECU must know as better as possible the real diameter of the wheel, also because the time spent by the wheel to re-gain speed after the caliper release is used by the ecu to get the scratch coefficient (dry, wet, snow, mud,...), and this coefficient will change pressure-increase laws of the ABS hydraulics.
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Reads like BS to me.
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Reads like BS to me.
+1 nerdy BS
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Well I for one am happy to learn something.
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Just spoke to Honda UK and they said if I put 15" alloys on my 2017 Jazz EX this will be seen as a modification and invalidate the warranty. Just awaiting a call back regarding whether I can fit after market alloys and the exact size required, will keep you posted.........
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Well I for one am happy to learn something.
The difference of 6.5 mm+ of tyre wear from new to replacement on the rolling radius of 295mm is already over 2% - so if the tyre rolling radius is so ultra-critical to all the systems in the car why don’t we have to delve into the system and change settings ( other than maybe the indirect ABS pulse derived TPMS ) when we replace worn out tyres with new ones ? Also what happens to the rolling radius between when a car has only the driver and empty fuel tank and when full tank, 5 passengers and luggage + roofrack to squash down the tyres ? The difference between an unloaded and fully loaded and fueled Jazz can be nearly 500KG, or 50% of the weight of the vehicle.
Just spoke to Honda UK and they said if I put 15" alloys on my 2017 Jazz EX this will be seen as a modification and invalidate the warranty. Just awaiting a call back regarding whether I can fit after market alloys and the exact size required, will keep you posted.........
What does it say on the drivers door B pillar on the 'tyre information sticker' - the Jazz normally has two sizes of tyre shown, a 15" and a 16" - these are the sizes the vehicle was homologated for during testing / approval and you are legally allowed to fit ( as long as all 4 wheels have same size ).
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The difference of 6.5 mm+ of tyre wear from new to replacement on the rolling radius of 295mm is already over 2% - so if the tyre rolling radius is so ultra-critical to all the systems in the car why don’t we have to delve into the system and change settings ( other than maybe the indirect ABS pulse derived TPMS ) when we replace worn out tyres with new ones ?
You're right, and I don't know the answer. I know that ABS ECU likes to know the precise wheel radius, I don't know if or how they deal with the tire wear.
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Here's the reply I just received from Honda UK:
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Below you will find the specifications (that we were able to find):
Tyre size: 185/55R16
Rim Size: 16x6J LM
Hub diameter: 56(mm)
Offset: 53
Tyres and wheels that match the specifications of the original one will not invalidate the warranty.
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From this I will probably go with the following wheels with 185/55/r16 tyres that look like an exact match for the Honda factory fitted 16" alloys (any opinions greatly received) -
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/alloy-wheels-brands/oxxo/oberon-4-314/6x16-et53-4x100-56.1-764598?car=16888
Must admit though, it's a pain having such a limited choice, seeing as 15" steel rims or alloys with 185/60/r15 tyres gives much better choice and at a cheaper price. I assume once the car's out of warranty (which for me would be March 2020) 15" wheels wouldn't be a problem. Between you and I, if a warranty issue did arise with the car guess I could just put the factory 16" rims back on before taking it to the garage?
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(any opinions greatly received) -
https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/alloy-wheels-brands/oxxo/oberon-4-314/6x16-et53-4x100-56.1-764598?car=16888
This is the exact model I was looking for my winter set, unfortunately last autumn they were not in stock, so I had to buy the Dezent.
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Having read through this thread and considering your needs and concerns, and your comments about living in the South and not seeing too much Winter weather, I would humbly suggest you just a set of 4 all season tyres on and keep them all all year. Given you won’t need to buy rims, you could splash out on a top quality tyre.
I drive a RAV4 and live in the North high on the hills up a steep road. My front tyres are down to 3mm now so I am going to fit 4 top brand all season tyres next week. It should be enough.
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Good point richardfrost and something I have considered. Do you or anyone else know if the 16" 185/55/r16's factory fitted alloy to the 2017 Jazz EX will fit into the boot as a spare?
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Good point richardfrost and something I have considered. Do you or anyone else know if the 16" 185/55/r16's factory fitted alloy to the 2017 Jazz EX will fit into the boot as a spare?
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=10270.msg67829#msg67829
Both 15 and 16" wheels are same outside diameter so both will fit.....
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An update. This morning I bought a single Honda 16" OEM alloy (as currently fitted to my car) from Cox Motors for £169.99. I also ordered 4 VREDESTEIN QUATRAC 5 tyres at £84 each with a local garage happy to fit for £10 a corner. My plan is to use one of the wheels/tyres currently fitted to my car as a spare (Cox Motors ensures me it will fit in the boot) with the new rim and three other current wheels being fitted with the VREDESTEIN QUATRAC 5's. With this combo I should have 4 new all season tyres to drive on and a full size spare with DUNLOP summer tyre ready to go in the boot. Thanks for all your advice, it really helped with my decision, a great forum!
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Do 16'' rims of a 2010 Insight work? I like their design and the size seems to be the same as for the Jazz EX 2019. 6Jx16 ET48. I want the get wrid of the black rims.