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If your Jazz suffers from noisy manual gearbox bearings, please tells us what year the car was registered

2002
19 (15.6%)
2003
19 (15.6%)
2004
18 (14.8%)
2005
39 (32%)
2006
14 (11.5%)
2007
10 (8.2%)
2008
3 (2.5%)

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Author Topic: Honda Jazz 2002-2008 noisy manual gearbox/shaft bearing problem  (Read 176654 times)

JazzyB

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2010, 10:33:10 PM »
Did they ask whether your Jazz had a full Honda service history?

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2010, 02:35:23 PM »
Yes, they asked for my owners booklet which had one of the services missing from it, plus, nobody had signed that transmission fluid had been changed at certain points. I would strongly advise people to ensure that Dealers fill in your booklets properly!!! Think I was very lucky to get my parts paid for but when I spoke to Honda and explained why I had brought one (quality and customer service) plus I am a nurse and need a reliable car to travel the city in it helped!!! All I can say is that if you hear a noise in the gearbox get it checked sooner than later and make sure you appeal if they initially refuse. Its such a shame, they re-call for a faulty switch but don't advise of possible gear box problems.

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2010, 02:54:02 PM »
Has anyone had their gearbox bearings replaced by Honda under warranty?



This is a known problem hense why they have extended warranty to 7 years. I have done several and would imagine will do a few more.

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2010, 02:55:37 PM »
Yes, they asked for my owners booklet which had one of the services missing from it, plus, nobody had signed that transmission fluid had been changed at certain points. I would strongly advise people to ensure that Dealers fill in your booklets properly!!! Think I was very lucky to get my parts paid for but when I spoke to Honda and explained why I had brought one (quality and customer service) plus I am a nurse and need a reliable car to travel the city in it helped!!! All I can say is that if you hear a noise in the gearbox get it checked sooner than later and make sure you appeal if they initially refuse. Its such a shame, they re-call for a faulty switch but don't advise of possible gear box problems.


The switch saftey related hence the recall. The gearbox bearings are not saftey related.
Great news that they have done it under warrenty for you.

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2010, 08:07:23 AM »
Hi I still have not found out what causes the noisy, gearbox bearings , It may be just that they dont put in much oil , a work aquantaince  had to put at least 1.5 litres of engine oil in his 2 week old car to make the oil come up to the low level mark on the dipstick
Although if the jazz has had this problem since what,,,,,, 2002,,,, then it may be a generic engineering problem in the gearbox 

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2010, 01:33:00 PM »
From what i can remember ( i dont get on here much !) its due to pressure from the clutch prematurely wearing the bearing, changing oil won't help as its already worn ! I think you need to have full service history (although i cant see how that affects the gearbox !)   The warranty extension is 7 yrs or 100,000 mls and is on model codes GD1, GD5, GE2 and GE3. years 2003 to 2008 The service bulletin No is SJ-04-008-03  Issue date 03 12 09. I think this is for manual transmission only but will hopefully help others. Dave

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2011, 02:24:06 AM »
I have owned 5 honda jazz's and modified them all and as a result the fault has been made clear to me and is typical to a lot of Hondas.  The input bearings that hold the gears in position in the gearbox fail.  The set off ball bearings are held in a race that keeps them evenly spaced out the problems develops when this race starts to crumble under loads, accelerating/ engine braking, you can buy after market bearings that are stronger than the OEM honda ones.  I'm in the process of finally bottoming out this fault and fitting a limited slip dif to go with.  As for costing don't take it to your honda dealer they will rip you off the job should take no more than 5 hours, and it's just a tricky things as you have to take the drive shafts off and access is awkward, but it's worth fixing with uprated bearings and trying a less viscous gearbox oil 4GL instead of 5GL/6GL this will also stop parasitic power loss by the oil in the gearbox.  What I mean by this is that the thicker the oil the harder it is for your gears to turn, like having to run through water instead of on land.
I like Honda's and you can't please everyone and you have to remember everything needs TLC occasionally
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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2011, 07:10:56 PM »
I`ve the same problem in my Jazz too with 60000. The other problem is the clicking noise in the 2nd gear when turning left (only in the 2nd gear and only when turning left).

The problem is:
"On early Jazz a clicking noise heard when turning left in 2nd gear may be due to the reverse shift holder ball bearing being contaminated and partially seized, causing the reverse idler gear to not return to neutral. Shifting into 2nd gear causes the reverse idler gear to touch the countershaft reverse gear. This problem has been known by Honda since 2002, and resulted a stronger reverse shift holder being fitted to later models. Repairs to early Jazz may be quoted at around £730."

Does anyone know how much is the stronger reverse shift holder cost?

My nearest Honda Dealer is in London (Chiswick) but I don`t want to go there. I told them the clicking noise problem a few years back, after the left drive shaft was changed and the guy at the service desk told me I had to change the drive shaft - told him it had been changed - told me I need to book the car in to check. I didn`t want to pay anything so I didn`t book it (anyway I don`t drive the car that often in the 2nd gear when turning left). When possible I want to service my car.

mod: Just been at "Allparts" shop and they don`t have any gearbox parts on the listing but they have OEM quality clutch kit for £120.53+VAT.

mod: Euro Car Parts doesn`t have any gearbox bits too.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2011, 07:21:11 PM by DV »

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2011, 06:51:42 AM »
Formula 1 teams get caught out using chinese copys of good bearings and they lose races because of it,,,,,,,,, :( , ordinary people like us have no way of telling if we have cheap chinese bearings in our car masquerading as good quality bearings :-X

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2011, 06:06:59 PM »
I thought I would post on this thread because the previous owner of my 2005 Honda Jazz Sport had a gearbox bearing problem at 87000miles, and After a lot of arguing, managed to get his local Honda Dealer (Boston Honda) to cover the whole cost of the bearing change and with new gearbox oil.

So I would say if one Honda dealer is willing to accept this is a common fault, then they all should in my opinion!

So I guess, just keep pressuring them! Maybe print out loads of reports of it happening and write to Honda head office!

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2011, 09:37:26 PM »
I thought I would post on this thread because the previous owner of my 2005 Honda Jazz Sport had a gearbox bearing problem at 87000miles, and After a lot of arguing, managed to get his local Honda Dealer (Boston Honda) to cover the whole cost of the bearing change and with new gearbox oil.

So I would say if one Honda dealer is willing to accept this is a common fault, then they all should in my opinion!

So I guess, just keep pressuring them! Maybe print out loads of reports of it happening and write to Honda head office!

They should have done it with no problem. Honda already know about this problem and have extended the warrenty to 7 years. All dealers need to do is get autharisation from honda, job done.

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2011, 05:20:52 PM »
I`ve been at the local Honda dealer today to get the price for the all ball bearings in the gearbox and the final price came up as £220 incl. VAT.

I`ve just finished reading this forum so it looks it would be enough to change only the input shaft bearing. I don`t know the bearing`s prices separately, but the most expensive was around £26.

I`m thinking to change only 1 bearing (input) or all?

Last weekend I`ve changed the clutch kit because I assumed the release/thrust bearing is failing but it wasn`t anyway the clutch disk was worn (about 5.5mm) and the manual says it should be replaced at 5mm. So I changed it just before the last time.
At the same time I changed the reverse shift holder too, that was an easy-peasy job, now the clicking noise disappeared in the 2nd gear turning left. (Thanks JazzyB !)

mod: Pictures of the reverse shift holder:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3207%20%2B%20info.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3207.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Reverse%20shift%20holder/CIMG3209.JPG

mod: Today I ordered all the ball bearings for my gearbox. After arrived I`ll post the sizes. Uploaded the bearing quote (including new EGR valve), http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Jazz%20Gearbox%20bearing%2C%20EGR%20valve.jpg.

mod: As I promised here are the pictures of the new ball bearings.

91004-PLW-A01: Mainshaft, Ball bearing, 26x72x15, (NTN)
(No.14) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0400&block_03=19952
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3237.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3259.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3260.JPG

91006-PHR-003: Clutch case?, Ball bearing, 26x52x15, 6205 SPL, (NTN)
(No.7) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0100&block_03=19952
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3241.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3256.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3257.JPG

91101-PHR-003: Clutch case, Needle bearing, 34x59x20, (NTN)
(No. 8 ) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0100&block_03=19952
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3242.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3254.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3255.JPG

91002-PHR-013: Countershaft, Ball bearing, 26x52x15, 6205, (NTN)
(No.13) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3243.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3251.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3252.JPG

91003-P21-003: Countershaft, Ball bearing, 25x52x14, (NTN)
(No.12) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3244.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3248.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3249.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3250.JPG

91005-PHR-003: Differential, Ball bearing sealed, (2x) 6207, (NTN)
(No.6) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0800&block_03=19952
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3245.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3246.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3247.JPG

90201-PB6-020: Countershaft - Nut, Flange, 22mm, Left threaded
(No.10) http://www.hondaoriginalparts.com/honda_car_parts_selection_pfk.php?block_01=17SAA01&block_02=M__0500&block_03=19952
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3239.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18635761/Gearbox%20ball%20bearings/CIMG3240.JPG
« Last Edit: June 19, 2011, 09:20:36 AM by DV »

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2011, 10:31:20 PM »
Just had my gearbox bearings replaced under extended warranty. I put the car in for the recalls and to check the rear wheel bearings and they came back and said your gearbox is noisy as well, the differential bearings. I hadn't noticed it as abnormal, when accelerating hard in 3rd gear I got a small whine which I thought was OK. When I changed the gearbox oil earlier in the year I added Molyslip and the whine all but disappeared to my ears.
They replaced the bearings (a set, there is a service kit I understand) and the car is noticeably quieter, no drive noise at all. (And no wheel bearing noise either). I said to the guy I though it was a 1st and 2nd gear thing, he said its most common on 1st & 2nd, but 3rd, 5th and the diff goes as well. 4th is a straight through so that one's ok.


The whole job was done free of charge under the extended warranty. Full marks to Honda there for looking after older cars (mine's a 2005, 35kmiles). They've kept a customer, I'll be having that Civic next time round after all!

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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2011, 05:11:37 PM »
When you had the gearbox bearings replaced did they check to see whether you had a Honda service history or any service history??


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Re: MERGED: Noisy Manual Gearbox/shaft bearing problem
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2011, 10:36:15 PM »
Yes they did. I was worried here - the car had full Honda FSH up to 2009, then I've serviced it myself (since I bought it) in 2010 & 2011. I have filled in the service book, with my signature. I thought this might go against me, not having paid the "ownership tax" as I regard it, but no mention was made. I observed that they must have checked the service book as it was put back in a different place. Possibly the fact it only has 35kmiles (15k by me in just over a year) helped. I had changed the gearbox oil in April 2011 and filled in that section of the service book, even though its not due till 70k or so. This might even arouse suspicion you may argue.


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