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If your Jazz suffers from CVT judder, please tells us what year the car was registered

2002
11 (6%)
2003
35 (19%)
2004
25 (13.6%)
2005
32 (17.4%)
2006
35 (19%)
2007
21 (11.4%)
2008
25 (13.6%)

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2007, 07:28:11 PM »
Hi Smartz.
Hate for you to feel lonely - Though I’m no Auto specialist there is obviously not one handy so here’s my 2p worth ….
Auto boxes do have clutches, though they are normally in the form of ‘bands’ - without a clutch of some form you would not be able to stand still with the engine running…
About the only thing you (or the general motor trade) can check on the auto boxes is that they are filled with the correct fluid to te prescribed level.
As you have tried tyres, the only other ‘external’ thing you can check is the engine/gearbox mountings for wear and security.
Some of the earlier autos were driven by a chain between the engine and gearbox - these were prone to jumping teeth under stress - I doubt this is the case on yours though ..
If all those are OK then it is off to the nearest auto transmission specialist.
Good luck.

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2008, 08:52:12 PM »
You would think a CVT system would use CVT oil..rocket science....brain surgery, etc, etc  

How on earth dealers could mess that up...and miss any product update issued by Honda.

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2008, 11:30:30 AM »
see this link
http://www.hondafitjazz.com/problems.htm

CVT malfunctions are a common problem in Jazz.

At earlier Honda maintenance manuals, recommended CVT oil was ATF-Z1. The same oil also used in conventional auto transmissions.

But now Honda wants dealers to use CVTF  (CVT Fluid) specially designed for CVT transmissions. I recommend pre 2007 Jazz/Fit owners to get their CVT oils changed ASAP.

Do not wait 80.000 km as indicated at the manual.


So now we all know the correct oil, hope all the uk dealers read Honda news/updates.

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2008, 08:59:46 PM »
Carried out my own CVT oil change today just to be on the safe side, really is a simple DIY job, just undo the square key bolt (use the 3/8" square on the socket) near the front of the transmission to drain and then re-fill via the dipstick hole making sure you fill between the 'COLD' mark on the dipstick (approx. 3.2litres).  Thumbs up to my local Honda dealer in Ascot who were aware that I needed CVT-F oil rather than the conventional ATF type.

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2008, 09:54:46 PM »
After my last posting, I've just gone through that nervous time getting my CVT oil changed. This time the garage new perfectly about CVT-F and everything was done as it should be.

It's still worth making clear when you book your car in for a CVT oil change that it's CVT-F oil that's going to be used.

With my own driving of CVTs, I've noticed a definite feeling of transmission "grip" after fifty or so miles after the change. I don't mean here that I'm racing around, but rather on inclines or under engine-braking the tranmission feels more sensitive than prior to the change.

So it would seem the "F" part of CVT-F's name meaning "friction enhancers" seems to be correct! Or it might be wishful thinking on my part.

Happy Jazzing :) fellow CVT-7-ers

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2008, 07:08:08 AM »
My car was bought in September 2007 does anyone know whether CVT-F was used during it's manufacture I tried getting this info from my Honda dealer and all I got was "leave well alone" They didn't say whether they would replace the box for free if there was a subsequent box failure however.

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2008, 08:55:00 AM »
My car was bought in September 2007 does anyone know whether CVT-F was used during it's manufacture I tried getting this info from my Honda dealer and all I got was "leave well alone" They didn't say whether they would replace the box for free if there was a subsequent box failure however.

Having raised this issue last year, step1 check the level and colour of the oil in your vehicle,old oil is dark red or brown   or ask the dealer to check and show you the oil is definitely pale red in colour.
Step2 depends on result above - I have now changed the transmission oil on both our Jazz CVt's to CVT F now sold by Honda dealers in 4litre containers . Happy days again....
« Last Edit: July 25, 2008, 04:01:11 PM by olduser1 »

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2008, 11:30:57 PM »
When I purchase 4 litres of CVT-F oil from my Honda dealer, I'd noticed the colour was also red (certainly no hint of yellow in it).  Anyway when I'd proceeded to change the oil I'd noticed the original oil that came out my car was also the same colour (04 model) so I'd wondered if I had the correct oil anyway but changed it anyway for peace of mind.

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2008, 07:50:43 AM »
Spoke to Honda customer services 30th June and they advise me they ..know nothing about CVT oil problems and added there is no recall valid. What the heck is going on?

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2008, 06:09:40 PM »
Hi, I've just registered with this site, my 2004 1.4i Jazz automatic has developed a rumbling/vibration from the front wheels when the power is applied with the steering wheel turned is this a possible CVT problem that any one else has experienced?

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2008, 07:57:16 AM »
  Sounds like a drive shaft bearing problem but that's a bit of a guess. If its still under warranty take the car back pronto and complain like mad. If not Honda drive shafts ain't cheap.'

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2008, 02:48:30 PM »
My car was bought in September 2007 does anyone know whether CVT-F was used during it's manufacture I tried getting this info from my Honda dealer and all I got was "leave well alone" They didn't say whether they would replace the box for free if there was a subsequent box failure however.

fwiw, I bought my Chinese made car in December 2007. It has a black rubber bung fitted midway along the length of the dipstick with 'CVTF' carved into it.  The colour of the oil on the end of the dipstick looks clear to me with a tinge of red.

A friend owns a '06' plate 2006 Japanese made Jazz.  He noted his dipstick had 'ATF' marked on it.  But when he examined the colour of the gear oil, it looked like CVTF oil.

He spoke to the head workshop guy at his local supplying dealer in Essex.   Here is an edited extract of the response to my friend's questions:


"The judder issue they have seen have all been on 2002/2003 early Jazz - a flush ALWAYS solves the problem - no strip has ever been needed.  i.e. the problem never returns after a flush. His view was if the car has never had problems then leave it."

"Both ATF-Z1 and CVTF oils are red in colour - you can't tell the difference between the two."

"You can replace ATF oil with CVTF oil without need of an extra flush if you are changing the oil at the regular service interval - 75k miles (6 years) as they are the same grade."

"And finally, I gave him my chassis number which he put into his workshop software, and it told him that the car will have CVT-F3 (yes, F3) oil in the gearbox. So, it does seem I have CVT-F oil, despite the ATF printed on the dipstick bung."

"As an afterthought, just to prove you can never win, he also said they have had one or two issues with judder with the NEW CVT-F oil!!  Dunno if it was coincidental, but I presume it was with older cars perhaps."



Note that 75k miles/5 years change interval was quoted in the conversation, and yet my 2006 printed service log book supplied with my UK 2007 Jazz quotes 50k miles/5 years. (The early 2007 DVD based Honda workshop manual quotes 50k miles/4 years for European models.....)





« Last Edit: December 03, 2008, 09:23:28 AM by bill888 »
2007(57) Jazz 1.4SE CVT-7 (GE3 - made in China)

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2009, 02:12:12 PM »
Someone did an earlier post about this but I thought it best to start a new thread.
I have an 05 1.4SE CVT auto.

It had a recall recently to deal with a handbrake problem. When test driving afterwards it was noticed that the car juddered slightly as it pulled away. I was going to mention it at the next service. This confirmed a gearbox problem known by Honda  and is connected with the fluid used in the CVT gearbox for my model. Honda have extended warranty on this model to 7 years to deal with this gearbox issue. They carried out a CVT fluid flush and the car no longer judders. They had it back to test it. If the flush had not resolved the problem they would have given the gearbox a complete overhaul, all under the extended warranty.
So if you have a judder, get it checked soon. Hope this helps.

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2009, 04:46:55 PM »
Hi Fido

Thank you for your post and the info given. Do you happen to know if there is any official source [website or published article] that I can quote to my local Honda dealership about this problem as I seem now to be getting this judder when I pull away, especially uphill.

Regards

Peter in Devon

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Re: Mk1 CVT judder
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2009, 08:59:38 PM »
Peter, the most 'official' source about this problem would be either us here or the Honest John page:

http://honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/index.htm?md=556

Honda did (still do?) have a recall check on their website - just enter your VIN number - but it may only display information about recalls (which this problem isnt).

I doubt you will have problems getting the dealer to sort it - it is a common problem.


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