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johnny32

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speed limits in navigation
« on: July 05, 2025, 10:11:52 PM »
the navigation system in my 2025 Honda Jazz does not show speed limits. Is this the case or can you advise how to show them. Thanks, John

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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2025, 09:48:45 AM »
Yes .The new  'here' satnav  does not show the speed limit on the main infotainment screen and cannot be set to show it. 

The applicable speed limit is shown  as a speed roundel  ,on the drivers 'head up' display , (together with any other signs 'seen'  by the sign recognition system. )    The Garmin also did this in addition to showing a speed on its main display .   So at first sight the 'Here' offers less. 

However , in my experience over the last 6 months  the 'here' system is better than garmin in showing the correct speed on the headup display using its own inbuilt  gps/mapping data.  Even when there are no speed limit signs displayed, such as within an urban area.

The sign recognition  system will sometimes pick up a slower speed limit roundel ,perhaps applying to a side road,  that contradicts its own gps map data . The car will display this instead, and beep if you exceed it.   It does seem a good idea  to take your eyes from the road,look down  and read what garmin thinks is correct.  But its not . Even with the latest map updates I often found garmin was showing an outdated speed limit, contrary to clear signing.
     If I think the 'here' has read an inapplicable speed limit sign, or got  the speed limit wrong  I will now look round at my surroundings for tangible evidence of what is correct, not just rely on what the satnav says.                 



 
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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2025, 01:06:39 PM »
I find my Google maps display quite helpful at times because that does show the speed if it knows it, be it right or wrong but in my experience mostly right

Even if I had 'Here' I would still use Google

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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2025, 06:29:00 PM »
I agree with LV but it is hard to know exactly what HERE adds to what the car alone shows.

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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2025, 10:02:21 AM »
I think I read elsewhere on this site that one of the reasons the satnav changed from Garmin  to 'here'  is  its more compatible with  the 'over speed' warnings now legally required.   

It is difficult to know whether the car is displaying a speed limit based on sat nav gps data, or having 'read' a speed roundel. I think it normally works from gps data, but if it 'sees' a speed roundel for a lower speed it uses that instead . Which is logical  and errs on the side of caution. It  might be a genuine  temporary speed limit for road works etc.      I dont think it would overide the mapping /gps data for that stretch of road if it 'sees' a higher speed limit sign.

Unfortunately it doesnt use gps data for measuring the real speed of the car  . Speed bongs are sounded based on the car speedometer, which is  typically a few mph/kph  slower. ( My standalone garmin displays accurate car speed. I do miss that.)

I have seen it in action in countries where  villages etc may not display  much in the way of  speed  limit roundels . Drivers are expected to know the 'urban' speed limit  that begins at the village name board, and ends at the nameboard cancelation.   . The roundel on the drivers display changes to the speed limits  at pretty much the right place, even if no physical speed limit  roundels are displayed  .Occasionally it might drop the speed from say 50 kph to 30 kph  in the village centre when I had seen no speed roundels.  Maybe there was some subtle indication known only to locals, such as the presence of lamposts . But the  satnav knew.   And the 'annoying beeps' saved me , as intended.

  Sometimes the gps data displays a conditional speed limit sign such as  '30 kph in snow'    which is definitely not physically present  (at least in summer.  I have been back and double checked  :-[ )

Speed limit gps data  is inputted and updated by human beings ,so subject to error.  Some countries mapping may be better than others,  and Garmin often get this  inputting done in China, which will lack local knowledge.    So I never rely entirely on satnav speed limits.

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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2025, 11:55:42 AM »
The Garmin built in SatNav was only linked to the very inferior TrafficMaster data feed that only covered motorways and major A roads and was anything from 15 to 30 mins out of date so useless in the peak

Don't know why because the standalone Garmins had an Inrix data feed that was far better as it covered all roads and updated every minute or two

The more modern Here system can collect data via your phone and provide a similar experience to Inrix

But, IMO, if you're going to use your phone to get traffic data you may as well use Google Maps as the mapping is updated very frequently
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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2025, 06:22:51 PM »
I think it normally works from gps data, but if it 'sees' a speed roundel for a lower speed it uses that instead .

That's right. That's why you can't close the navigation app in Settings. I think it worked with the previous one.
Otherwise, HERE in the car seems different to me than the one in the mobile phone (HERE WeGo) - where there is, for example, speed and "speed alarm". I can also easily update HERE on the mobile phone, including maps, but I have no idea how it is done in the car.

But I use Mapy.com via Android Auto, which is one of the best navigation apps and the best for walking.
I also have Organic Maps on my phone as a backup navigation.

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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2025, 08:07:31 PM »
I think it normally works from gps data, but if it 'sees' a speed roundel for a lower speed it uses that instead .


Otherwise, HERE in the car seems different to me than the one in the mobile phone (HERE WeGo) - where there is, for example, speed and "speed alarm". I can also easily update HERE on the mobile phone, including maps, but I have no idea how it is done in the car.


I follow this for Nav Updates https://www.techinfo.honda-eu.com/sites/default/files/2024-05/here-navigation-services-and-updates.pdf

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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2025, 08:49:18 PM »
If you don’t update your HERE maps then your speed sign indication will soon be out of date. You get 7 years free map updates, as opposed to the 5 years for the Garmin.
You can update regional maps via WiFi or full map via USB.

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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2025, 05:43:20 PM »
Is it possible to upgrade from Garmin to Here? Surely the hardware is the same in all mk4 jazz.
Also can you have only voice alerts on Garmin?

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Re: speed limits in navigation
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2025, 05:47:50 PM »
Honda have never performed any upgrades from original MY to a newer MY

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