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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: Paimei26 on September 19, 2023, 10:41:54 PM
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Hi everybody
Hope you are all well. I was hoping for some kind assistance please. M my mum has a Honda 2017 ex cvt and the battery seems knackered. There doesn't seem to be much choice to replace it. On cox they are selling a yuasa with a Honda sticker on it? Is this the only choice, as when I had a halfords guy come replace a battery for another car when I showed him this battery he said it wasn't stop start. Would appreciate if anybody knows of good cheaper compatible batteries for this car. Many thanks
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https://www.tayna.co.uk/car-batteries/?gclid=CjwKCAjwsKqoBhBPEiwALrrqiEBqdTpbq98K87YKlC1yaPSMfthr4dpM9lO-IdYhUa-jSsODbDYEmxoCqncQAvD_BwE
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there is a useful thread on the battery and stop start.
jazzaro listed some alternatives
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=14168.0
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https://www.tayna.co.uk/car-batteries/?gclid=CjwKCAjwsKqoBhBPEiwALrrqiEBqdTpbq98K87YKlC1yaPSMfthr4dpM9lO-IdYhUa-jSsODbDYEmxoCqncQAvD_BwE
As far I can see, none of listed batteries by Tanya is good for start and stop, the only matching parameter is size.
Jazz GK series wants one of the following EFB battery:
OEM, 31500-T4P-U01 replaced by 31500-T5A-G11
Yuasa YBX7053
MIDAC Itineris EFB JIS IT55J EFB
FIAMM ECOFORCE AFB TRN45
SAF M043503 EFB (use terminal adapters)
Banner 55515
Napa AFB158N
Enduroline 048EFB
Maybe there are some other models fitting in the slot, I don't know, would be great adding them to this post.
Using a non EFB or AFB battery (AGM or standard lead-acid) will affect the battery lifespan.
updated.
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Tanya Start Stop battery for 2017 EX.
https://www.tayna.co.uk/car-batteries/enduroline/048-efb/
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Tanya Start Stop battery for 2017 EX.
https://www.tayna.co.uk/car-batteries/enduroline/048-efb/
Good, so they have them...
these two are ok:
https://www.tayna.co.uk/car-batteries/types/048-efb/
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I purchased the correct Honda replacement from Cox and it was the same price or cheaper than every supplier I checked out including Tayna
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cox motor parts check if the battery is suitable for your car from the registration number.
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I have a Jazz EX I-VTEC CVT, 2017 Mk3.
The 12v battery has a rather anonymous label 'LB505' adjacent to which is 'YM' in a circle which I guess means it was made by Yuasa?
@jazzaro
Can you consider adding to your list - BEFORE YOU DO - the Auto Idle Stop Start function has failed to work for approx. 9 months!! - perhaps LB505 is wrong for my vehicle!!
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The original Honda supplied battery and the replacement from Cox are identical, on the top it states manufactured by Yuasa and stop/ start.
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... the Auto Idle Stop Start function has failed to work for approx. 9 months!!
This is a common issue for the Mk3 Jazz, there are many other comments in this forum about it. Honda's design for the Stop-Start system seems to be extremely conservative, and the computer won't stop the engine unless a whole raft of parameters are exactly correct (check the handbook for the full list). Failure of the S/S to operate (often with the battery indicator on the display) does not necessarily mean your battery is on it's last legs.
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Here's the stop-start checklist I was given for the Mk 2 HR-V and expect the Mk 3 Jazz to be the same. Honda doesn't want the engine to stop if there's a remote chance of it not instantly starting when needed.
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Hi what i dont understand is what is the difference between the battery from cox and the yuasa 7053? Are they the same because the Honda one is more expensiclve and I have seen the 7053 for around £90. Thank you
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... the Auto Idle Stop Start function has failed to work for approx. 9 months!!
This is a common issue for the Mk3 Jazz, there are many other comments in this forum about it. Honda's design for the Stop-Start system seems to be extremely conservative, and the computer won't stop the engine unless a whole raft of parameters are exactly correct (check the handbook for the full list). Failure of the S/S to operate (often with the battery indicator on the display) does not necessarily mean your battery is on it's last legs.
Yes I've read that long list (too long to memorise!)- After many attempt to fix, from this and other forums and ChatGPT I've given up. The Honda still starts ok and the tick-over appears to be sub 1000rpm - when the LB505 (was it the original battery??) I might let my local dealer take a look, but labour charges are bit of a turn off, then I'll raid the piggy bank and get a replacement.
My comment was just a warning that what is fitted to my Jazz may not be suitable for the OP's Jazz
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Here's the stop-start checklist I was given for the Mk 2 HR-V and expect the Mk 3 Jazz to be the same. Honda doesn't want the engine to stop if there's a remote chance of it not instantly starting when needed.
Yep, these are the main parameters for s&s activation. Then there must be some others, the ECU must know if the battery is "deteriorated" so other values (voltage before and after crank, initial voltage, time to re-gain initial voltage, ...) will be considered.
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Hi what i dont understand is what is the difference between the battery from cox and the yuasa 7053? Are they the same because the Honda one is more expensiclve and I have seen the 7053 for around £90. Thank you
They should be the same battery with different labels. Hardly Yuasa will product two batteries for the same car, one OEM branded and the other YUASA branded.
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I have a Jazz EX I-VTEC CVT, 2017 Mk3.
The 12v battery has a rather anonymous label 'LB505' adjacent to which is 'YM' in a circle which I guess means it was made by Yuasa?
@jazzaro
Can you consider adding to your list - BEFORE YOU DO - the Auto Idle Stop Start function has failed to work for approx. 9 months!! - perhaps LB505 is wrong for my vehicle!!
Thanks, but there are no infos about it, better, I wasn't able to find them
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https://www.tayna.co.uk/car-batteries/?gclid=CjwKCAjwsKqoBhBPEiwALrrqiEBqdTpbq98K87YKlC1yaPSMfthr4dpM9lO-IdYhUa-jSsODbDYEmxoCqncQAvD_BwE
As far I can see, none of listed batteries by Tanya is good for start and stop, the only matching parameter is size.
Jazz GK series wants one of the following EFB battery:
Yuasa YBX7053
MIDAC Itineris EFB JIS IT55J EFB
FIAMM ECOFORCE AFB TRN45
Banner 55515
Napa AFB158N
Enduroline 048EFB
Maybe there are some other models fitting in the slot, I don't know, would be great adding them to this post.
Using a non EFB or AFB battery (AGM or standard lead-acid) will affect the battery lifespan.
Thanks for this really useful post, I'm also in need of a new battery. Can I just check with you if the above batteries are suitable for my car as well? We have a 2018 MK3 1.5L Sport. I'm not sure if the 1.5 Sport requires a different battery. Also, do you need to register or code the battery when replacing it or is it a straight swap as you do with a normal battery?
Thank you!
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Just go into the Tanya site and enter your reg.
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https://www.tayna.co.uk/car-batteries/?gclid=CjwKCAjwsKqoBhBPEiwALrrqiEBqdTpbq98K87YKlC1yaPSMfthr4dpM9lO-IdYhUa-jSsODbDYEmxoCqncQAvD_BwE
As far I can see, none of listed batteries by Tanya is good for start and stop, the only matching parameter is size.
Jazz GK series wants one of the following EFB battery:
Yuasa YBX7053
MIDAC Itineris EFB JIS IT55J EFB
FIAMM ECOFORCE AFB TRN45
Banner 55515
Napa AFB158N
Enduroline 048EFB
Maybe there are some other models fitting in the slot, I don't know, would be great adding them to this post.
Using a non EFB or AFB battery (AGM or standard lead-acid) will affect the battery lifespan.
Thanks for this really useful post, I'm also in need of a new battery. Can I just check with you if the above batteries are suitable for my car as well? We have a 2018 MK3 1.5L Sport. I'm not sure if the 1.5 Sport requires a different battery. Also, do you need to register or code the battery when replacing it or is it a straight swap as you do with a normal battery?
Thank you!
The battery swap is just that, nothing else to do. I strongly recommend you contact Cox for a genuine Honda (Yuasa) replacement for the same price as you can buy one from Tanya or anywhere else for that matter. Just telephone them give them your registration number and you’ll get the battery the next day.
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I have a Jazz EX I-VTEC CVT, 2017 Mk3.
The 12v battery has a rather anonymous label 'LB505' adjacent to which is 'YM' in a circle which I guess means it was made by Yuasa?
@jazzaro
Can you consider adding to your list - BEFORE YOU DO - the Auto Idle Stop Start function has failed to work for approx. 9 months!! - perhaps LB505 is wrong for my vehicle!!
Thanks, but there are no infos about it, better, I wasn't able to find them
Hmmmm! looks like the LB number refers to the sticky label rather than the battery type ! :-(
It is a Yuasa though.
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Thanks for this really useful post, I'm also in need of a new battery. Can I just check with you if the above batteries are suitable for my car as well? We have a 2018 MK3 1.5L Sport. I'm not sure if the 1.5 Sport requires a different battery. Also, do you need to register or code the battery when replacing it or is it a straight swap as you do with a normal battery?
Thank you!
1.5 Sport and 1.3 trims have the same battery, so all battery models written above are ok for all EUDM GK series Jazz.
I forgot to write the OEM number, 31500-T4P-U01 replaced by 31500-T5A-G11
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Another useful tip, read the tech note posted here about HOW TO CONNECT a battery charger on a car with start and stop.
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=10836.msg76289#msg76289
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I have a Jazz EX I-VTEC CVT, 2017 Mk3.
The 12v battery has a rather anonymous label 'LB505' adjacent to which is 'YM' in a circle which I guess means it was made by Yuasa?
@jazzaro
Can you consider adding to your list - BEFORE YOU DO - the Auto Idle Stop Start function has failed to work for approx. 9 months!! - perhaps LB505 is wrong for my vehicle!!
Checked, LB505 is one label attached over the OEM Yuasa battery, so LB505 is ok for our vehicle.
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https://www.tayna.co.uk/car-batteries/?gclid=CjwKCAjwsKqoBhBPEiwALrrqiEBqdTpbq98K87YKlC1yaPSMfthr4dpM9lO-IdYhUa-jSsODbDYEmxoCqncQAvD_BwE
Using a non EFB or AFB battery (AGM or standard lead-acid) will affect the battery lifespan.
In my experience the car will just refuse to stop/start anyway which will likely have little impact on battery lifespan of the incorrect battery.
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I found this page and (site) whilst looking for the model number of the battery on my 2017 1.3 CVT.
My battery (original from new) cranks fine but since last week no longer does start/stop and is showing 12.59v on the meter after a charge so I decided to get a replacement just in case it dies on me now that the weather is getting colder.
Ended up buying an original YUASA from "YMF Car Parts" online for £86.60. I was a bit apprehensive since it was about £40 cheaper than COX which seemed too good to be true but it it arrived today in two days directly from YUASA Swindon via UPS.
Hope this helps anyone else looking for a new battery and looking to save a few quid.
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I found this page and (site) whilst looking for the model number of the battery on my 2017 1.3 CVT.
My battery (original from new) cranks fine but since last week no longer does start/stop and is showing 12.59v on the meter after a charge so I decided to get a replacement just in case it dies on me now that the weather is getting colder.
Ended up buying an original YUASA from "YMF Car Parts" online for £86.60. I was a bit apprehensive since it was about £40 cheaper than COX which seemed too good to be true but it it arrived today in two days directly from YUASA Swindon via UPS.
Hope this helps anyone else looking for a new battery and looking to save a few quid.
Thanks I was concerned about ordering from them and also the fact how would I return it if it wasnt the same as factory fitted Honda. Is the battery fine for you so far?
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I found this page and (site) whilst looking for the model number of the battery on my 2017 1.3 CVT.
My battery (original from new) cranks fine but since last week no longer does start/stop and is showing 12.59v on the meter after a charge so I decided to get a replacement just in case it dies on me now that the weather is getting colder.
Ended up buying an original YUASA from "YMF Car Parts" online for £86.60. I was a bit apprehensive since it was about £40 cheaper than COX which seemed too good to be true but it it arrived today in two days directly from YUASA Swindon via UPS.
Hope this helps anyone else looking for a new battery and looking to save a few quid.
Thanks I was concerned about ordering from them and also the fact how would I return it if it wasnt the same as factory fitted Honda. Is the battery fine for you so far?
I haven't fitted it yet as it was delivered in the evening and I am giving it a charge overnight. I will see if I can install it tomorrow if it stops raining but I can't see there being any problems as by all indications it's the correct battery.
The battery itself isn't 100% identical to the OEM version, it's all black for a start, has a handle and charge indicator however there is no fluid level indicator or caps to add water to the cells (maintenance free). According to the delivery note country of origin is Japan. The thing that impressed me the most though is how well the battery was packaged.
One interesting side note is that the Cox battery comes with 3 years unlimited millage warrentee, the YMF site states 4 years or 48K miles whilst the Yuasa 7000 series batteries sold by halfords come with five years.
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As an update, I installed the battery today - just needs a no 10 spanner and about ten minutes. Only drama was went for a test drive and start-stop still did n't work after a few traffic light testsso pulled over to one side, stopped and re-started the engine and at next set of traffic lights was working again so I guess it just needs to determine the state of the battery when everything is reset.
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Hi what i dont understand is what is the difference between the battery from cox and the yuasa 7053? Are they the same because the Honda one is more expensiclve and I have seen the 7053 for around £90. Thank you
They should be the same battery with different labels. Hardly Yuasa will product two batteries for the same car, one OEM branded and the other YUASA branded.
The battery I purchased does seem to be a completely different battery. Looking at the OEM one I removed, it is rated for 370A where as the branded one is rated for 450A. One other signifcant difference is the terminals are thinner than the original and the battery came with rings to bring it up to the correct size.
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Interestingly my 2018 OE battery says 50Ah and 490A, B24, made by Yuasa.
An apparently suitable replacement Yuasa YBX7053 says 45Ah and 450A. Both EFB stop/start.
On the terminal issue, it's pretty normal for aftermarket supplied batteries to come with the smaller posts plus adapter rings to save on variants, OE manufacurer supplies will be the single size to save on loose parts on a production line and probably saves a few cents.
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Interestingly my 2018 OE battery says 50Ah and 490A, B24, made by Yuasa.
An apparently suitable replacement Yuasa YBX7053 says 45Ah and 450A. Both EFB stop/start.
On the terminal issue, it's pretty normal for aftermarket supplied batteries to come with the smaller posts plus adapter rings to save on variants, OE manufacurer supplies will be the single size to save on loose parts on a production line and probably saves a few cents.
Hmm, on my searches I never saw a Yuasa listed with that high an Ah rating. On the delivery note my battery is actually listed as 370A but the label on the battery 450A. I saw the Enduroline 048 EFB claims 55Ah/460A but there is only so much power you can squeeze into the size - in fact looking at it now that battery looks supsicously like the one I installed, I would n't be surprised if Yuasa makes it for them.
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Hi what i dont understand is what is the difference between the battery from cox and the yuasa 7053? Are they the same because the Honda one is more expensiclve and I have seen the 7053 for around £90. Thank you
They should be the same battery with different labels. Hardly Yuasa will product two batteries for the same car, one OEM branded and the other YUASA branded.
The battery I purchased does seem to be a completely different battery. Looking at the OEM one I removed, it is rated for 370A where as the branded one is rated for 450A. One other signifcant difference is the terminals are thinner than the original and the battery came with rings to bring it up to the correct size.
Hmm since I am newbie how easy is it to fit with these rings to bring it to the same size. And how do u do it. It just that if it's tricky and will cause issues may as well order from cox but would like to save 40 quid. Many thanks
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The adapters are usually simply split rings which are a snug push fit over the battery posts. The battery cable clamps then tighten them securely onto the battery fixed posts. If supplied they usually come already on the posts, gently prise them off with a screwdriver if you need to remove them. When they are new and nice and clean it's all good (old dirty ones need cleaning).