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Title: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 11, 2019, 06:59:37 PM
Hi

I placed a deposit on an Orange 2016 1.3 I-VTEC SE (S/S) 5DR. 33,000 miles with full service history.

I'm getting it checked out by "Click Mechanic" service tomorrow before I hand over all the money, but there are a few questions, I wonder if anybody could offer answers.

1) I notice some of the electric windows are sluggish going up and down, I'm guessing they are dirty. If it's the motor how much would it cost to fix per window? Is it easy to clean otherwise? (I'm no car mechanic).

2) I notice when reversing, if the left side is near a wall the right sensor is indicated on the screen. If the right side is near the wall the left sensor is indicated on the screen. I think it's simply wired up wrong. Is this a known issue and/or an easy fix?

3) Please advise about orange touch up paint.

4) It will need a service at 50,000 miles. Any advice? Just go to an official garage?

5) Any advice on warranty.

The garage is offering (4) + (5) but they are an unofficial garage. I may take them up.

Thanks for your help!!
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: trebor1652 on April 11, 2019, 07:23:20 PM
This car may still be covered by the manufacturers guarantee depending on when it was first registered.
If it is get Honda to sort it out.

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Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: orcadian on April 11, 2019, 07:55:58 PM
We bought a late 2015 Sunset orange SE S/S last December and the paint is very thin and no colour at all under bonnet and inside petrol flap.  Honda do a small touch up kit with colour code YR585 which has the orange base coat and a clear lacquer (with applicators) for small marks.
As for electric windows I would doubt any problem with motors if they go up and down but sluggish.  The vendor could be asked to sort it, it could just be that the guide rubbers are a bit dry.  I occasionally use a bit of furniture polish, like Pledge sprayed down the channels which improves them no end and puts less strain on the mech and motor.  This has been on other cars, Jazz is OK at the mo.

Sounds like the bumper has been off for some reason - tow bar fitting? accident damage? and they have fitted then in the wrong sockets.  Look closely at the fit of the bumper where it meets the rear quarter panels - should be all in line and no variable gaps.

Let us know how you get on

Ian
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 11, 2019, 09:03:33 PM
This car may still be covered by the manufacturers guarantee depending on when it was first registered.
If it is get Honda to sort it out.

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Interesting.

Car was registered January 2016, according to website warranty is three years. So I wonder if warranty gets transferred? I guess I should ring up Honda tomorrow:
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/warranty.html

Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 11, 2019, 09:04:45 PM
Sounds like the bumper has been off for some reason - tow bar fitting? accident damage? and they have fitted then in the wrong sockets.  Look closely at the fit of the bumper where it meets the rear quarter panels - should be all in line and no variable gaps.

Let us know how you get on

Ian

Top advice. Will do. Thx.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: 123Drive! on April 11, 2019, 11:23:58 PM
Make sure it's not a Cat c/d and has full service history. You can have service done at a local independent if you know of one. It will be cheaper.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: thehazzard on April 12, 2019, 09:55:07 AM
If u have sunset orange, i have a spare brand new touch up paint if u want it. when i ordered they sent me 2/
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 12, 2019, 08:56:57 PM
Well I've had a check on the Jazz, and I'm glad I did.
It's structurally sound however according to report:

Locks - In working condition however before locking doesn't work on the fob (Pressed lock on the fob but did not lock, but does unlock with fob. When I took it for road test it shows one of the doors open so had to go around and close them until light went out, maybe one of the door switches is being sticky and may prevent locking, but then it would lock manually).

Body damage - In working condition, NSF front bumper scuff been resprayed, Rear OSR lamp cracked/chipped, Rear logo cracked, Past repairs evident,

Past Repair Evident - In working condition, Front bumper resprayed, Rear bumper been replaced/resprayed, Hence rear sensors are incorrectly unplugged.

Jack missing.

Could not get cruise control to work

It's 2016 car (33,000 miles) 1.3 I-VTEC SE (S/S) 5DR and is £7900 standalone.

Or if I buy it for £8300 price includes:
£150 HPI Indemity - Can't I do this myself - shouldn't I check this myself? Anywhere I can do it? Apparently they must do it by law?
New MOT (No advisories).
12 month warranty and service.


Now they previously told me it hadn't had any crashes - ouch! I guess I need to check further info like insurance writeoff checks (what's the best place) - it's listed as OK under Autotrader however, so I wonder if I need to anything else?

Still quite like the car though...!  :o
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 12, 2019, 09:01:38 PM
BTW - I do appreciate everybodies help, this is all new to me - not very experienced. I feel like an idiot not noticing it had a crash LOL!
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlanTR on April 12, 2019, 09:23:24 PM
Walk away from this car!!

Better to buy from a Honda dealer that has to maintain standards. A 3 year Honda extended warranty should cost £699.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 12, 2019, 09:36:05 PM
Walk away from this car!!

Better to buy from a Honda dealer that has to maintain standards. A 3 year Honda extended warranty should cost £699.

I get what you are saying and I'm close to it.

But if they fix everything and I get a discount? I'm on a budget.
The current value of it is a mind boggle.
Driving is good, inspector otherwise found nothing majorly wrong (I was very satisfied with the inspector, he did a really good job). Previous owners look like pensioners who don't know how to park.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 12, 2019, 09:42:55 PM
OH I forgot to say, they say they will fix everything if I pay for their service/warranty, I've asked them to put it all in writing exactly what they are fixing. Service history looks good.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: guest4871 on April 12, 2019, 11:01:44 PM
This deal is rubbish..

Walk away from this car and this dealer.

Do NOT buy this car.

You'll find better for your money. Lots on Auto Trader.

The car should be in excellent condition. What you are describing is awful.

Always do the HPI check independent of the dealer - even a main dealer.

https://www.hpi.co.uk/hpi-car-check.html

Full Cost of Full HPI Check = £20. Includes write off check etc etc.


Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: olduser1 on April 12, 2019, 11:07:02 PM
You are covered by the Consumer Rights Act of 2015, talk to your local Citizens Advice , write to the garage tell them they are required to refund your deposit, there are 100's of good cars out there.

These days it worth checking MOT history & HPI check before agreeing a deal
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 12, 2019, 11:17:47 PM
This deal is rubbish..

Walk away from this car and this dealer.

Do NOT buy this car.

You'll find better for your money. Lots on Auto Trader.

The car should be in excellent condition. What you are describing is awful.

Always do the HPI check independent of the dealer - even a main dealer.

https://www.hpi.co.uk/hpi-car-check.html

Full Cost of Full HPI Check = £20. Includes write off check etc etc.

I get you.

I can't find 3rd generation anywhere near London this cheap however, there aren't lots on autotrader unfortunately unless I want to hike all over the country..
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: MicktheMonster on April 13, 2019, 12:33:31 AM
Something to bear in mind about hpi checks is they only have records of insurance repairs, if a car owner has a car repaired at their own expense without informing their own insurer then it won't be recorded anywhere and won t show up, most likely to happen with cheap repairs like parking dents.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 13, 2019, 02:21:07 AM
OK I've emailed them asking for my deposit back.
Thanks for your advice - invaluable.
Going to a Honda dealer, lesson learned.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Jocko on April 13, 2019, 08:25:43 AM
Sensible decision. Hope you end up getting the Jazz you want. I think they are wonderful wee cars.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: orcadian on April 13, 2019, 09:02:19 AM
Hi Alexs
Sorry to hear your tale of woe but like the others, there will be another coming along soon.
If you paid the deposit by credit card, which is always the safest way, then you should have no problem getting it back.  Look very closely if using Autotrader or the auction sites, there is a surprising number of Cat C/D or S/N or whatever the new classifications of write off are designated.  Other advice here has indicated using Honda Approved.  That too needs careful watching as I know only too well.  Their multipoint checklist can, with some dealers be something of a farce - in my opinion, best to take someone along without Rose tinted specs and check ALL paperwork and numbers.
Checking MOT history is always wise but only the first mk3’s will need one and then only one, so no paper trail yet.
A good friend of mine was also looking for a mk3 after we bought ours.  He lives in Lancashire and we are in Northern Scotland - he couldn’t find any deal in his area at the price we paid.  If you find something further North, the Honda Network should be able to move it to your area or it might be worth travelling for a better deal if the costs stack up favourably.

Ian
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: sparky Paul on April 13, 2019, 09:14:39 AM
As above, I would walk away at that money. It certainly doesn't sound pristine, which it shouldn't be far from at that age. If there are signs of neglect that you can see, then you have to wonder about the the things you can't see.

Agreeing to fix obvious faults on condition that you take on a warranty and/or service package is appalling, even for a bomb site dealer.

I would either spend a bit more to get a better car from a reputable dealer, or be prepared to travel. In a few years when you come to trade up, you will regret buying tatty as you will get slaughtered on the trade in price. I bought our 08 plate trade for only £625 a couple of years ago mainly due to the mediocre repairs of corner scrapes, and to be fair it's been a good little car - but condition and signs of previous repairs kills residual values.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: guest7494 on April 13, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
OK I've emailed them asking for my deposit back.
Thanks for your advice - invaluable.
Going to a Honda dealer, lesson learned.

 Very Wise decision, good luck in your search,The Jazz is a great little car, and over the years we have had three of them.
No regrets yet.Buy wisely not in haste.
Lets us all know what you finally settle on.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 13, 2019, 04:17:51 PM
So Autotrader pinged up last night and I travelled and bought a very low millage HONDA JAZZ 1.3 I-VTEC S 5-DOOR from an official Honda dealer still under warranty (see my profile pic).

It doesn't have all the Gizmos I would have liked, like folding mirrors, parking sensors (I'm going to see if I can retrofit) and basic In car Entertainment (I can connect phone via Bluetooth, but I don't think it's compatible with Android Auto?).

I didn't get any of the extras offered, I could do so later.. that is:
Diamond Brite
3 years GAP
3 year service plan
12 months extended warranty
24 months extended warranty

Any of these things worth it?

Regardless very happy indeed - it's like a new car. I am exhausted however - it's taken a very long week off work to get here.

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: MicktheMonster on April 13, 2019, 04:37:05 PM
GAP insurance is cheaper online rather than through dealers usually, some companies will only let you take out this up until the car is 1 year old, others don't care, personal choice whether it is worthwhile. I have taken it out when my car's reach a year old as your normal car insurance company will usually replace it with a new one up till that point.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Jocko on April 13, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
Glad you got your Jazz. From what I have read elsewhere on this site, the things you didn't get are the things others have had trouble with!
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Downsizer on April 13, 2019, 04:42:07 PM
I would recommend the service plan if you are near a main dealer.  It should be a good deal cheaper than paying the dealer service prices.  I paid £550 for 5 years 3 years ago, but no doubt they've gone up a bit now.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 13, 2019, 05:15:25 PM
Thanks, in case anybody is interested!

Their costs: £395 - Diamond Brite - wonder if I can do that much cheaper!
3 years GAP = £395 (I shall shop around if I need it - thx for advice)
Rear Parking sensors = £350
Front and Rear Parking sensors = £650
3 year service plan - £545
12 months extended warranty = £499
24 months extended warranty = £799
 
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 13, 2019, 06:41:08 PM
So I have more questions don't I?

With this 2017  HONDA JAZZ 1.3 I-VTEC S 5-DOOR:

Does it not switch the engine off when at idle at traffic lights. I asked the sales bloke and he said yes (sounded a bit vague however) - but on the way it didn't happen - although very low RPN at idle. No biggy if it doesn't I guess.

Has anybody got Android Auto app (on their phone) to work with the basic in car entertainment system? (Phone connects to bluetooth fine, can play music and do phone calls). Note this radio is fairly basic, that is bluetooth audio, DAB and FM, LW, MW etc. Not much else. Not sure what they call the model, it does have a big display panel.

And wow I thought it would be £30 road tax (like the older crap car I was going to buy) it was £145! I've yet to investigate why.

Thanks...
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: trebor1652 on April 13, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/driving-costs/car-tax

This link will explain VED.

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Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 13, 2019, 06:54:21 PM
https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/driving-costs/car-tax

This link will explain VED.

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Argh! If only it was 3 months older! Thx!
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Jocko on April 13, 2019, 07:32:47 PM
Does it not switch the engine off when at idle at traffic lights. I asked the sales bloke and he said yes (sounded a bit vague however) - but on the way it didn't happen - although very low RPN at idle. No biggy if it doesn't I guess.
You might find this thread interesting.
https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=10836.0 (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=10836.0)
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: guest4871 on April 13, 2019, 07:52:39 PM
Thanks, in case anybody is interested!

Their costs: £395 - Diamond Brite - wonder if I can do that much cheaper!
3 years GAP = £395 (I shall shop around if I need it - thx for advice)
Rear Parking sensors = £350
Front and Rear Parking sensors = £650
3 year service plan - £545
12 months extended warranty = £499
24 months extended warranty = £799

Diamond Brite is a bit like Marmite! I have never bothered and you'll find much cheaper independently. Most of the £350 goes as sales comiision to the salesman and £350 sounds very high to me. I would guess no more than £200. Others may comment.

Gap is best bought online not from the dealer.

Rear parking sensors after fit. These are the people I used.

https://www.avrmobiles.co.uk/acatalog/ps740_park_safe_rear_parking_sensors.html

Same for front.

Service plan sounds OK and sensible if you are OK using this dealer. Check what it includes.

If this is a 2017 car it has the balance of a 3 year  manufacturers warranty so you don't need this (or might even be 5 year if car was originally sold on special deal - worth checking!). Warranty can be used at any Honda dealer in UK. So forget the extended warranty - if its a Honda you won't need it.  ;D
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlanTR on April 13, 2019, 08:48:36 PM
AlexS - as your Jazz has a manual gearbox I'd forget about the extended warranty. If it was a CVT auto (like mine) I'd get the warranty as the transmission replacement cost is very high! I got a 3 year extended warranty from Vertu Honda for £699 - £69.90 per month for 10 months. Good choice - the Jazz is a great car.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 13, 2019, 09:18:10 PM
Rear parking sensors after fit. These are the people I used.

https://www.avrmobiles.co.uk/acatalog/ps740_park_safe_rear_parking_sensors.html

Same for front.

Great tip.
Would this invalidate the warrenty I wonder?
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Downsizer on April 14, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
I would recommend the service plan if you are near a main dealer.  It should be a good deal cheaper than paying the dealer service prices.  I paid £550 for 5 years 3 years ago, but no doubt they've gone up a bit now.
I notice that my local dealer is now offering 5 year servicing for £599, but that's only when buying new.  £545 for only 3 years isn't all that attractive.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: culzean on April 14, 2019, 05:52:40 PM

Diamond Brite is a bit like Marmite! I have never bothered and you'll find much cheaper independently.


I was sceptical of diamondbrite and other coatings but I have had Civic 6 years now and although I said I wouldn't pay for it the dealer threw it in anyway.  Now I never clean cars or wax them ( I use AutoGlym super resin polish on plastic headlights every month or so and so far they have stayed crystal clear ).  The car basically gets washed when it rains or it gets too bad and no chance of rain I get the garden hose with brush and a shampoo stick ( maybe once a year ).  I have attached photo PDF of the reflection from Civic Paint   Can almost read number plates of neighbours cars......
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: MicktheMonster on April 14, 2019, 10:28:02 PM
Re the gap insurance, I've just checked, I paid £104 for cover for 3 years cover to pay any gap between what insurer pays me if car is a write off and what is outstanding on the finance. There are more expensive policies which will cover up to the original purchase price, hope this gives you an idea of the dealer mark up involved.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 14, 2019, 11:41:07 PM
Brilliant.

Folks thankyou very much for your help. I very much appreciate it.

Of course I've only created another post now in another sub forum, I promise though I will shut up soon. I've also posted some pics:

https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=11046.msg

Btw I really love that space under the boot floor where the spare tyre should be! But yikes no spare tyre!!

Thanks..

Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: John A on April 15, 2019, 07:10:01 AM
Re the gap insurance, I've just checked, I paid £104 for cover for 3 years cover to pay any gap between what insurer pays me if car is a write off and what is outstanding on the finance. There are more expensive policies which will cover up to the original purchase price, hope this gives you an idea of the dealer mark up involved.

It's even better if you're not on finance as you get the difference in price paid, and what the insurer pays out if the car is a total loss, which is why I chose it  :D
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: sparky Paul on April 15, 2019, 08:49:47 AM
With falling residuals on ICE cars, GAP insurance is becoming to be essential for those with PCP finance deals.

A neighbour is coming to the end of a PCP on an Audi TT, they are facing a shortfall of several thousand pounds, just to hand the bloody thing back!
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: John A on April 15, 2019, 09:16:25 AM
With falling residuals on ICE cars, GAP insurance is becoming to be essential for those with PCP finance deals.

A neighbour is coming to the end of a PCP on an Audi TT, they are facing a shortfall of several thousand pounds, just to hand the bloody thing back!

I had a diesel Qashqai that the book value was less than the price for me to pay, so I just handed it back. The finance companies problem then with regards to any shortfall, so I would thought that your neighbour could do the same?
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 15, 2019, 10:46:11 AM
With falling residuals on ICE cars, GAP insurance is becoming to be essential for those with PCP finance deals.

A neighbour is coming to the end of a PCP on an Audi TT, they are facing a shortfall of several thousand pounds, just to hand the bloody thing back!

What is an ICE car? (They all have in car entertainment don't they?).
Why particularly ICE cars?

Thx.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: trebor1652 on April 15, 2019, 10:49:22 AM
Internal Combustion Engine

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Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 15, 2019, 10:57:19 AM
Internal Combustion Engine

So if it isn't an ICE car it's an electric car (not hybrid)? Just wondering why that term was used. Cheers.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Jocko on April 15, 2019, 11:13:05 AM
ICE, HEV, PHEV, BEV. All the initials get more confusing. And as for "Self Charging Hybrid". Is that not what they all were before PHEV came along?
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: guest7494 on April 15, 2019, 12:18:54 PM
ICE, HEV, PHEV, BEV. All the initials get more confusing. And as for "Self Charging Hybrid". Is that not what they all were before PHEV came along?

what the the hek are HEV PHEV and BEV, they sound like aPop group of yesteryears.
Some enlightenment please?
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Jocko on April 15, 2019, 12:43:21 PM
Hybrid Electric Vehicle, Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle and Battery Electric vehicle.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: guest7494 on April 15, 2019, 12:58:50 PM
Hybrid Electric Vehicle, Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle and Battery Electric vehicle.

Boy am I out of Touch,
thanks Jocko
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: sparky Paul on April 15, 2019, 05:48:23 PM
With falling residuals on ICE cars, GAP insurance is becoming to be essential for those with PCP finance deals.

A neighbour is coming to the end of a PCP on an Audi TT, they are facing a shortfall of several thousand pounds, just to hand the bloody thing back!

I had a diesel Qashqai that the book value was less than the price for me to pay, so I just handed it back. The finance companies problem then with regards to any shortfall, so I would thought that your neighbour could do the same?

To be honest, I thought that when I spoke to her. She probably has excess mileage in that figure too, but she seems to be under the impression that her business PCP contract is not going to cover the shortfall in value.

Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 16, 2019, 01:33:46 PM
Alex Shirley


Hey I have another question.
Looking at the manual (for 2017 HONDA JAZZ 1.3 I-VTEC S 5-DOOR manual gearbox) I noticed the recommended engine oil (apart from official Honda) is 5W-30 or 0W-30.

I've got a big bottle of 5W-40 however, which apparently is more suitable for warmer temperatures according to here:
https://www.carcareninja.com/5w30-vs-5w40/

Should I use it? (See attached photo). I have quite a lot of it. Based in UK.

Thanks

Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Downsizer on April 16, 2019, 02:07:01 PM
In 3 years, I've never added oil, apart from annual servicing.  I doubt you will need your bottle.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 16, 2019, 02:26:49 PM
In 3 years, I've never added oil, apart from annual servicing.  I doubt you will need your bottle.

Understood. Would still like to know though if anybody uses this grade or has used it/knows the detail. Appreciated.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Jocko on April 16, 2019, 03:42:37 PM
According to the manual for my 2006 Mk 1, I can use anything from 0w-20 to 5w-40, for all European weather conditions. I would happily use the oil in my engine regarding engine protection. However, thinner oils are specified to improve fuel efficiency, so lower oil viscosities should give better mpg. I use 5w-30 because my engine has done 112,000 miles.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: culzean on April 16, 2019, 04:53:02 PM
The mk3 engine will be designed for 0W20 to scrape the last 0.001% of MPG,  personally I use 5W30 in our jazz MK2 and Civic.  Just got some Castrol Magnatec 5w30 A5 stop-start oil from Tesco at £17 for 4 litres ( half price ) apparently you can leave it is for 20,000 miles, but I won't. That article you linked to suggested changing oil every 5,000 miles, must be an old article ( or American, they seem to recommend short oil changes, must be for oil companies to sell more ). I used change oil every 10 to 12,000 ( twice a year up until a couple of years ago when I retired ), but now once a year is plenty and then some.

IMHO the oil will be ok, the 5W refers to cold viscosity to get around quickly on cold starts, the 40 refers to hot viscosity, but I doubt it will get hot enough in UK to warrant 40, but if you want to use it you may drop a few % in MPG, but it won't harm the engine.  I still do no fully trust the 0W20 and thinner oils, and will not go below 5W30...especially in UK where -5deg C is considered cold.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: MartinJG on April 17, 2019, 09:08:49 PM
The mk3 engine will be designed for 0W20 to scrape the last 0.001% of MPG,  personally I use 5W30 in our jazz MK2 and Civic.  Just got some Castrol Magnatec 5w30 A5 stop-start oil from Tesco at £17 for 4 litres ( half price ) apparently you can leave it is for 20,000 miles, but I won't. That article you linked to suggested changing oil every 5,000 miles, must be an old article ( or American, they seem to recommend short oil changes, must be for oil companies to sell more ). I used change oil every 10 to 12,000 ( twice a year up until a couple of years ago when I retired ), but now once a year is plenty and then some.

IMHO the oil will be ok, the 5W refers to cold viscosity to get around quickly on cold starts, the 40 refers to hot viscosity, but I doubt it will get hot enough in UK to warrant 40, but if you want to use it you may drop a few % in MPG, but it won't harm the engine.  I still do no fully trust the 0W20 and thinner oils, and will not go below 5W30...especially in UK where -5deg C is considered cold.

I have to change the oil on my Jazz. £17 for 4 litres is a good price. I see they call it stop/start oil rather than high performance (Edge). Is there any real difference in them for routine driving?
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: AlexS on April 17, 2019, 11:17:28 PM
Interesting article:
https://www.edmunds.com/car-maintenance/top-7-urban-legends-about-motor-oil.html
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: Jocko on April 18, 2019, 06:49:05 AM
Found this bit interesting. Bold itallics are mine.

"When you buy a new car, change your oil at 3,000 miles to remove metal particles from the engine break-in process. There might be a grain of truth to this, according to the experts at Blackstone. Oil samples from engines during the first 3,000 miles of driving show elevated "wear-in" metal levels, coming from the pistons and camshafts, says Ryan Stark, Blackstone's president. But he added, "To me, it doesn't make that much difference because if the filings are big enough to cause damage, they will be taken out by the oil filter."

However, a Honda spokesman says its cars come from the factory with a special oil formulation for the break-in period. Honda advises owners to not change the oil early."
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: culzean on April 18, 2019, 08:57:39 PM
Found this bit interesting. Bold itallics are mine.

"When you buy a new car, change your oil at 3,000 miles to remove metal particles from the engine break-in process. There might be a grain of truth to this, according to the experts at Blackstone. Oil samples from engines during the first 3,000 miles of driving show elevated "wear-in" metal levels, coming from the pistons and camshafts, says Ryan Stark, Blackstone's president. But he added, "To me, it doesn't make that much difference because if the filings are big enough to cause damage, they will be taken out by the oil filter."

However, a Honda spokesman says its cars come from the factory with a special oil formulation for the break-in period. Honda advises owners to not change the oil early."

They say not to use fully synthetic oil for running an engine in as it is 'too good' and won't let anything bed in... same when I had my new motorbike, bed it in with semi synth and then after 1000 miles change the oil to something better.

The thing about the tighter tolerances on modern engines and oils getting ever thinner is that the size of particle that can cause damage is smaller than ever.
Title: Re: Placed a deposit on a jazz - advice please
Post by: MartinJG on April 18, 2019, 10:24:38 PM
The mk3 engine will be designed for 0W20 to scrape the last 0.001% of MPG,  personally I use 5W30 in our jazz MK2 and Civic.  Just got some Castrol Magnatec 5w30 A5 stop-start oil from Tesco at £17 for 4 litres ( half price ) apparently you can leave it is for 20,000 miles, but I won't. That article you linked to suggested changing oil every 5,000 miles, must be an old article ( or American, they seem to recommend short oil changes, must be for oil companies to sell more ). I used change oil every 10 to 12,000 ( twice a year up until a couple of years ago when I retired ), but now once a year is plenty and then some.

IMHO the oil will be ok, the 5W refers to cold viscosity to get around quickly on cold starts, the 40 refers to hot viscosity, but I doubt it will get hot enough in UK to warrant 40, but if you want to use it you may drop a few % in MPG, but it won't harm the engine.  I still do no fully trust the 0W20 and thinner oils, and will not go below 5W30...especially in UK where -5deg C is considered cold.

I have to change the oil on my Jazz. £17 for 4 litres is a good price. I see they call it stop/start oil rather than high performance (Edge). Is there any real difference in them for routine driving?

For the record, I left a message with Castrol tech line re the oil in question thinking it would simply disappear into a telephonic abyss never to return. Surprisingly, they rang me back this morning and gave me the low down on the Stop/Start A5 oil. Long story short, it is fine though I did not get a definitive answer on which is the better oil other than 'it depends on the car and how you drive'. I see the sump capacity including the filter is @3.8 litres so that should work out quite well. Thanks.