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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: Bobcat on November 23, 2022, 11:24:18 AM
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Hi all,
We currently own a civic 1.7CDTI.
We will need to change at some point and are considering either a Jazz 1.3 manual or a Yaris 1.5 manual.
The car will be used for taking the kids to school, it's a 20 Mile round-trip so 40 Miles a day with mostly local roads, some 50mph dual carriageway, and a few hills.
We have looked at both Jazz and Yaris but not driven either. My wife prefers the Jazz because its bigger and therefore more spacious for our 2 teenage sons in the back.
I preferred the Yaris but admittedly it is more cramped in the back, the wife will win as she does the commuting!
I have a few reservations about the Jazz such as the lack of a spare and the stop start system, I know we can buy a spare tyre and put it in the boot and you can turn off the stop start.
We are probably looking at an s or se model 2019/2020 year.
The Yaris has a 5 year warranty which is nice as it would have 2/3 warranty left.
Anyway I am sure you will all recommend the Jazz!! The question I have is whether the 1.3 manual is powerful enough to haul effectively 3 adults around 40 Miles a day...I know she will miss the power of the turbo diesel but its not worth buying a diesel these days unfortunately.
Any tips or advice from you guys would be welcome.
I have considered a corolla hybrid but they are too expensive at around £17,000 for a 2019 plate and my budget would be about £10,000.
I want to keep the car for as long as possible so reliability and low running costs are paramount.
Our civic is 19 years old and my Toyota is 24 years old, so you can see I like to keep my cars a long time!!
Many thanks
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Yes, the Jazz is certainly suitable. Compared to the Yaris it feels like a bigger car; not just the back seats but also the more spacious feel in the front seats. 40 miles a day should not be a problem, I’ve done this for a decade :).
Only thing is getting used to a petrol car. It has less torque and needs a bit more revs to be powerful. The Yaris is a 3-cylinder engine, while the Jazz has 4. At low revs the Jazz will run more smoothly without any vibrations.
I would recommend a test drive in both. The Jazz will surprise you with its roominess and more dynamic feel to it! Good luck!
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My wife prefers the Jazz.
Every other word, phrase, question or discussion is pointless.
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My wife prefers the Jazz.
Every other word, phrase, question or discussion is pointless.
Hahaha!!!! Very true. I did try and convince her about the merits of the Yaris but it didn't go down too well! :D
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Don't know what the Yaris is like performance wise but the Jazz 1.3 has only 100HP.
You might find it a bit gutless in comparison?
I have the Jazz 1.5 Sport which has 130HP and is a much better tool, still gives near 50MPG on a long run.
We moved from a 2010 1.8 petrol Civic and the performance is almost the same (0-60 in 8.7 secs), the room inside the boot is only a touch smaller and the car is almost the same size outside.
I'm 6'4" and I can drive it over long distances with no issues at ll.
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Yes, the Jazz is certainly suitable. Compared to the Yaris it feels like a bigger car; not just the back seats but also the more spacious feel in the front seats. 40 miles a day should not be a problem, I’ve done this for a decade :).
Only thing is getting used to a petrol car. It has less torque and needs a bit more revs to be powerful. The Yaris is a 3-cylinder engine, while the Jazz has 4. At low revs the Jazz will run more smoothly without any vibrations.
I would recommend a test drive in both. The Jazz will surprise you with its roominess and more dynamic feel to it! Good luck!
Thanks for your input, agree the extra space will be useful as one of my lads is quite tall so would be cramped in the Yaris.
I think my wife will be fine with driving the Jazz as she is the opposite of me, I generally drive steadily especially whilst the car us cold. The missus however turns the ignition and foot down zooms off!!
I try not to go in the car whilst she is driving as it leads to arguments, the other day I had to and the fact she waits at traffic lights with the car in gear,clutch down, and foot on the brake pedal baffles me!!
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Don't know what the Yaris is like performance wise but the Jazz 1.3 has only 100HP.
You might find it a bit gutless in comparison?
I have the Jazz 1.5 Sport which has 130HP and is a much better tool, still gives near 50MPG on a long run.
We moved from a 2010 1.8 petrol Civic and the performance is almost the same (0-60 in 8.7 secs), the room inside the boot is only a touch smaller and the car is almost the same size outside.
I'm 6'4" and I can drive it over long distances with no issues at ll.
I did consider the 1.5 sport, it looks very good.
Two things are putting me off it though:
The engine apparently is prone to carboning up so given I want to keep the car 'forever' might cause headaches down the line. The turbo in the civic we gave has been a real pain.
The other issue is the sport model seems fairly expensive at around £13,000 from what I could see
Happy to be corrected if I am wrong!
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I know its no help, but it sounds like your wife is made for the jazz mk4 hybrid. Press the pedal and its off from the lights like a scalded cat. (and if you drive - 70 mpg) For a 40 mile daily commute it might be worth comparing fuel costs over a couple of years, then decide which of the sons could be sold into slavery to pay for it. ;D
I had a Yaris mk11 diesel. great for a couple but cramped for a family. Jazz is significantly better suited for a family car IMHO, and much closer to the size of a civic than the yaris.
I've never had a 'stop/start car (apart from my current Mk4 which goes further still) . I dont think they actually start doing it until the car has warmed up so it may not affect you much ,and might be better for your wifes driving habits
Or keep both boys, buy the Jazz 1.3 but plan on changing it as soon as circumstances allow. .
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Bobcat.
I have a 2019 Jazz 1.3 SE Navi.
Im 99%happy with it and its a 6 speed box.
This is the 1% Im still not used to after about 6 months.
I find 1st.gear is painfully low geared.
As soon as the wheels start moving,im then looking to change into second(unlike my wifes 2013 Jazz which I find the gear changing far more relaxing).
Maybe its just me but maybe worthwhile you taking one for a test drive first before you/your wife decides?
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Hi all,
We currently own a civic 1.7CDTI.
We will need to change at some point and are considering either a Jazz 1.3 manual or a Yaris 1.5 manual.
The car will be used for taking the kids to school, it's a 20 Mile round-trip so 40 Miles a day with mostly local roads, some 50mph dual carriageway, and a few hills.
We have looked at both Jazz and Yaris but not driven either. My wife prefers the Jazz
AS told before, we should stop here any discussion.
I have a few reservations about the Jazz such as the lack of a spare and the stop start system, I know we can buy a spare tyre and put it in the boot and you can turn off the stop start.
yes, you can keep a spare tyre and keep it inside the boot, I don't remember if the space under the boot floor can contain a spare tyre.
About the start&stop, to me this is not a problem: you can switch it off or leave it working, you will see that it won't disturb you.
Anyway I am sure you will all recommend the Jazz!! The question I have is whether the 1.3 manual is powerful enough to haul effectively 3 adults around 40 Miles a day...I know she will miss the power of the turbo diesel but its not worth buying a diesel these days unfortunately.
In my honest opinion, only a test drive will clear your doubts, what is good for me could be not good for you. Surely a lighter 1.5 will be punchier than a heavier 1.3, even with the same power because what you use in normal driving is the torque at 1500-2500 rpm, not the max power at 6000 rpm and displacement rules in naturally aspirated engines talking about torque. So a Yaris will surely better than Jazz in hills and highways, the point is if the Jazz is enough good for what you need.
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Don't know what the Yaris is like performance wise but the Jazz 1.3 has only 100HP.
You might find it a bit gutless in comparison?
I have the Jazz 1.5 Sport which has 130HP and is a much better tool, still gives near 50MPG on a long run.
We moved from a 2010 1.8 petrol Civic and the performance is almost the same (0-60 in 8.7 secs), the room inside the boot is only a touch smaller and the car is almost the same size outside.
I'm 6'4" and I can drive it over long distances with no issues at ll.
I did consider the 1.5 sport, it looks very good.
Two things are putting me off it though:
The engine apparently is prone to carboning up so given I want to keep the car 'forever' might cause headaches down the line. The turbo in the civic we gave has been a real pain.
The other issue is the sport model seems fairly expensive at around £13,000 from what I could see
Happy to be corrected if I am wrong!
the Jazz doesn't have a turbo, the HR-V sport does.
not heard about any carbon issues but stand to be educated
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the Jazz doesn't have a turbo, the HR-V sport does.
not heard about any carbon issues but stand to be educated
Some 1.5 Sport Jazz, naturally aspirated, since they have direct fuel injection, suffered from carbon buildup on inlet valves and ducts.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10191759-0001.pdf
Anyway, uncommon issue for european 1.5 Jazz and HR-Vs.
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“The question I have is whether the 1.3 manual is powerful enough to haul effectively 3 adults around 40 Miles a day”
I would strongly recommend the cvt rather than the manual if you want to avoid a lot of gear changing. There isn’t much torque in the 1.3 below 2500 rpm and it might come as a shock after a diesel. Try one - the cvt works excellently, and you can floor the accelerator for more power. Your wife will love it.
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Both excellent cars whichever you choose. :D
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“The question I have is whether the 1.3 manual is powerful enough to haul effectively 3 adults around 40 Miles a day”
that is why I suggested the 1.5 sport.
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I have a 1.2 Mk1 and it hauls 3 adults with no issues.
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I believe the 1.3 Jazz has 75 bhp and a 0-62 time just over 11 seconds. Plenty for normal use, but I must admit I prefer 90 bhp and 0-62 in single figures for open road overtakes. BUT figures on paper dont tell everything. More important is mid range grunt ,for instance the time taken between 50 and 60 mph. These figures are available but harder to find. Performance here can depend on gearing,flexibility etc rather than ultimate power. My 1.4 diesel Yaris did particularly well here and I kept it 14 years.
A couple of times my sensible head won on car choice but i was a bit disappointed in road performance. I tended not to keep those as long. The correct engine can transform a car. But the proof of the pudding is in a test drive. Personally if a test drive in a 1.3 Jazz proves adequate performance I wouldnt torture myself trying a more powerful , but ultimately less suitable, alternative .. Thats how you end up buying a superbike. ;D
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I have a 1.2 Mk1 and it hauls 3 adults with no issues.
unexpectedly the i-dsi 1.2 is punchier at low revs than the 1.3 I-Vtec Atkinson Cycle of the GK Mk3.
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I believe the 1.3 Jazz has 75 bhp and a 0-62 time just over 11 seconds. Plenty for normal use, but I must admit I prefer 90 bhp and 0-62 in single figures for open road overtakes. BUT figures on paper dont tell everything. More important is mid range grunt ,for instance the time taken between 50 and 60 mph. These figures are available but harder to find. Performance here can depend on gearing,flexibility etc rather than ultimate power. My 1.4 diesel Yaris did particularly well here and I kept it 14 years.
A couple of times my sensible head won on car choice but i was a bit disappointed in road performance. I tended not to keep those as long. The correct engine can transform a car. But the proof of the pudding is in a test drive. Personally if a test drive in a 1.3 Jazz proves adequate performance I wouldnt torture myself trying a more powerful , but ultimately less suitable, alternative .. Thats how you end up buying a superbike. ;D
Thanks to all for the comments and advice
Agreed the next step is to drive the 1.3 Jazz and see whether it is 'acceptable' performance wise.
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Agreed the next step is to make my wife drive the 1.3 Jazz and see whether it is 'acceptable' performance wise.
Fixed
;D
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I have a 1.5 manual Jazz and I would definetely try to find one. It is very lively if you are not shy to use upper half of the rpm range.
Regarding the spare tyre, if you look for Jazz made early 2019 or earlier, you will have space for a full size spare, eventhough the car us not fitted with one. It's been discussed several times in this thread, that during 2019 production Honda changed the boot floor pan shape so that even the space saver spare cannot be stored there.
Here is my post about fitting a full size tyre into my MY 2019 Jazz 1.5, which is built late 2018 https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12071.msg96644#msg96644 (https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=12071.msg96644#msg96644)
As you see there is still place for miscellaneous stuff around the spare.
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It's all academic really until you get out and drive one.
The Jazz 1.3 feels a bit sluggish unless you rev it out and get into the VTEC zone, and it does struggle with steep hills. Ride is a bit hard also.
It's suitable for short journeys, not a lot more tbh.
40 miles a day, I'd be looking at another Civic or maybe a Corolla.
Also the Jazz is relatively expensive for what it is, as.it is loved by our retired brethren, keeping the values up.
Larger cars are relatively cheaper and better value.
I only paid £8k for my 2016, and that's a lot really, any more I just don't see the point.
We tried a Yaris, they are small inside and for drivers under 6 foot as the steering wheel doesn't move up much.
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As one of the retired brethren, I don’t agree that the Mk3 Jazz is not suitable for long journeys. I have regularly driven between Suffolk, Yorkshire and Tyneside and been very comfortable at around 65mph, when the cvt keeps the revs below 2500 rpm, with actual (not indicated) fuel consumption around 55 mpg.
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As one of the retired brethren, I don’t agree that the Mk3 Jazz is not suitable for long journeys. I have regularly driven between Suffolk, Yorkshire and Tyneside and been very comfortable at around 65mph, when the cvt keeps the revs below 2500 rpm, with actual (not indicated) fuel consumption around 55 mpg.
Totally agree and Mk4 is even better. ;D
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Depends what you are used to doesn't it.
The Jazz is a small car, it's never going to be that refined.
The OP has a Civic, I suggest he sticks with one or a similar sized car.
For what it is, a runabout, it is very good and reliable.
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As one of the retired brethren, I don’t agree that the Mk3 Jazz is not suitable for long journeys. I have regularly driven between Suffolk, Yorkshire and Tyneside and been very comfortable at around 65mph, when the cvt keeps the revs below 2500 rpm, with actual (not indicated) fuel consumption around 55 mpg.
I found my Jazz very well suitable for long journeys on country roads, highways and motorways. Of course it becomes a bit thirsty if speed goes up to 80 mph or more. Travelling is a pleasure as long as the road has decent asphalt surface. Jazz has noticeable drawbacks in smaller roads, when road surface is bumpy or unpaved.
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I agree, the longest distance I covered in a single day with a Jazz was nearly 900 miles (1400 km) from Florence in Italy back to The Netherlands. Back then I had a 2017 1.3 CVT, which was great on the Autobahn. To prevent high revs at high speeds, I set it in manual mode in 7th gear and cruised happily at in between 2.500 and 3.000 rpm (70 to 85 mph). Of course I had to shift back to 6th or 5th (or normal CVT mode) when passing mountains.
A year earlier, I did a similar distance in a 2014 Civic 1.6 i-dtec. I prefer the Jazz seats for such a long journey, although the Civic is a bit quieter inside and has a more sporty feel. In terms of fatigue I did not notice much difference.
Now with the Mk4, it is even quieter and it feels like a bigger car. So the small Jazz has grown up, so to say!
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Depends what you are used to doesn't it.
The Jazz is a small car, it's never going to be that refined.
I can only compare it with the various Rover/Landrover vehicles that I've had over the years, including a Rover 3500S and a Freelander.
I would say that the Mk4 Jazz is equal to any of them and I would happily drive 300+ miles in a day, without any undue discomfort.
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I agree about the Mk4.
I came from a Civic 9G and the Mk4 is just as comfy if not more so as the suspension seems more flexible.
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I too was looking at either Jazz or Yaris. I chose the jazz, for two main reasons. It is made in Japan and the Yaris's pedal box was too small for my feet !! (Size 12)