2014 Honda Jazz

[RichardA]

Some images sneaking through already:

[link removed due to possible trojan warning in Windows]

[guest1521]

"...a  new1600 cc 4-cylinder turbo diesel engine, the maximum power of 118 hp at 4000 rpm  and torque is 300 Nm at 2000 rpm, while Honda said the new engine is lighter than diesel engines currently in the market. And exhaust emissions only 100 grams per kilometer..."

IF ACCURATE, that 300Nm@2000rpm torque figure compares very well with 127Nm@4800rpm for our current petrol 1.4 and suggests that this new diesel in a Jazz will fairly SHIFT at 50-70mph in comparison. That much extra 'twist' from low revs means there will be less excuse to enjoy our ever so sweet manual gearchange, though. That torque figure, if accurate, is grunty.

A diesel engine will much improve Jazz sales in the UK even if  its fuel savings may be more than offset by probable higher initial purchase price and ongoing more expensive maintenance/repairs vs. simple (relatively) petrol engines. On the other hand' if this 'lighter diesel engine' does not make Jazz too nose heavy, it may be an even nicer drive than the petrol... Interesting.
Thanks, Richard.

[guest2898]

Looks good and some very imformative literature there....  sounds promising! 

[guest1521]

More on Honda's new diesel engine... 221 ftlb of torque is 300Nm. Appears to be a cracker of an engine... be interesting to compare its spec and output vs Ford, VW and even BMW diesels. Very interesting indeed.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/261214/

[culzean]

It is a regular sight at many garages when I go to fill up my petrol Jazz to see the Diesel pumps with covers on them. Personally I would be careful about getting a diesel because it does seem to be getting harder to come by.  Here is the breakdown of a standard 42 US gallon 'barrel' of crude oil.

19.4 gallons (73 liters) of petrol,
10.5 gallons (40 liters) of diesel (including heating fuel), and
4.1 gallons (16 liters) of jet fuel (kerosene), not to mention lots of other marketable stuff.

[guest2765]

so we are finally getting a bigger engine? haha would love a 1.6i for my jazz..or even the american 1.5 vtec from their fit's but the 1.6TD is a little offputting, my dad had a TD in the past..and when something went wrong with it, it really went wrong (at one point we had a problem with the car revving itself, we had volvo take the engine apart and they still couldnt figure out what was wrong with the car), its really put me off the idea of ever getting a TD

[JazzyB]

I think you can be pretty safe with a Honda engine.

Probably the best engines in the world.

[guest2765]

still dont plan to get a TD ever...even a honda

[olduser1]

Come 2014 unleaded fuel may be £8.00-9.00 per gallon, in the UK Diesel will be higher.

So, I have taken steps by refurbishing my old Claud Butler bicycle and driving M3 + Porsche around race tracks... nearly as much enjoyment as owing my old Subaru Turbo.

PS On my PC  the above link had a warning re trojan

[bucksfizz]

I thought that there is a trend away from diesel.Problems with Diesel Particulate Filters and Dual mas flywheels are becoming more common and the price gap between diesel and petrol is widening.Honda won the British Touring Car Championship last year with a turbocharged petrol engine and VW/Audi have a 1.4 TFSI engine with 123BHP.Now that would make a Jazz go like a rocket!

[RichardA]

DPFs are not suited to urban driving. They are designed to collect the particulates at low speeds and release them at higher speeds (I understand?). Some manufacturers even state this in the owner manuals.

[guest2765]

I thought that there is a trend away from diesel.Problems with Diesel Particulate Filters and Dual mas flywheels are becoming more common and the price gap between diesel and petrol is widening.Honda won the British Touring Car Championship last year with a turbocharged petrol engine and VW/Audi have a 1.4 TFSI engine with 123BHP.Now that would make a Jazz go like a rocket!

lol agreed 123bhp would be amazing in a jazz...even the 1.5 engine out of the american Fit sport would make our jazz's go like rockets compaired to how they currently go (think its 120hp or something along those lines? a fair bit more powerful than the uk jazz's anyway)

[guest2878]

I have had an Audi A2 1.4Tdi for nearly ten years,
the engine though a little noisey by todays standards is a little beauty
and I am sure once the new Jazz hits the showrooms with a Tdi it will be a hit to all who roadtest it.

Although I find the Jazz an excellent drive I do miss that extra pull which my A2 gives.

[guest3858]

I hate diesel engine they are fragile engine not enough power and they are not very quiet.
Gimme a petrol engine anytime diesel is the devil....

[culzean]

For anyone interested in  power vs torque of engines here is a great explanation fron Civinfo website.

http://www.civinfo.com/index.php?page=bhp

People claim that because Diesels have more 'torque' they are more powerful than petrol engines,  but the truth is that the 2.2 civic diesel and the 1.8 Vtec have identical BHP, identical 0-60 times and same top speed despite the Diesel having twice the torque of the petrol (the diesel only revs to less than 5000,  the petrol to 7000) - also my brother in law has a Diesel and I have a petrol and he does not get any more mpg than I do, despite diesel costing more than petrol.   The reason a diesel has more torque is that to get the massive compression ratio needed the engines have a 'longer stroke' (bigger crank diameter) which naturally give more torque but limits the revs the engine can run at, and also makes the engine heavier.

Also diesels need heavier gearbox and bigger clutch to cope with lower revs and higher torque. Repair bills for Diesels compared to petrol engines will also make your eyes water. Particulate filters clog up fairly quickly on local mileage as well,  and as Richard A says, they need higher revs and longer distances to burn-off the gunge.  Dual mass flywheels (designed to take the 'lumpiness' out of diesel engine crank also fail quite regularly and are expensive to fix.