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Dash cam crash videos
« on: December 27, 2017, 02:18:37 PM »
I enjoy watching the thousands of dash cam crash videos on YouTube. It is a great way to spend the odd 10 minutes here or there. I actually find them very informative, as most of the accidents are caused by a few often repeated driver errors. I would recommend them for all new and novice drivers.
Most of the UK footage involves near misses and cursing and swearing, the US videos, what they would call “fender benders”, and the Eastern European/Russian videos pure mayhem and destruction. I think it comes down to the standard of the drivers and how well they follow the rules of the road. It scares me how many East European drivers we have on our roads, especially their lorry drivers, and I am always concerned about the safety and standard of the vehicles they drive. At least the majority of UK vehicles have current MOT or DVSA certificate. The vehicles from East Europe, if they have been tested at all, could well have been through the same garage that checks their ox carts!
Most of the US crashes feature Freeway accidents caused by their lack of lane discipline. At least in the UK most vehicles pass on the one side, but in the US it doesn’t matter what lane you drive in, and as a result vehicles can be passing you on both sides, often simultaneously.
The Russian accidents seem to be caused by high speeds in town, undertaking (often along the verge of the road), ignoring traffic lights, blatantly turning across the front of oncoming traffic (often travelling at high speed), joining traffic totally ignoring/blanking drivers already on the carriageway, and tailgating (particularly lorries). Add their snow and ice to the mix and it is a recipe for disaster.
And the number of drivers who slam into other cars, then take off to avoid the consequences, is frightening.
What is scary is how easy cars overturn, even after fairly minor collisions. This is made far worse by the Russian country roads being built raised above the surrounding fields (probably to do with their weather). What is reassuring is how survivable quite serious crashes are, due to the design of modern vehicles and as long as the occupants are belted in. And after watching several thousand clips I can confirm that a vehicle catching fire in a crash seems unlikely, unless it happens in a TV movie!
I have always treated green traffic light like a Give Way sign, always expecting someone to be coming through on the red, I am always aware, while overtaking/undertaking in queuing traffic, that drivers are prone to switch lanes, so never do so at a much greater speed than the slower lane, I am always prepared to give way to joining traffic, and I avoid travelling on the blindside of HGV (if I have to overtake a foreign LHD truck I do so quickly and decisively). Now, after watching these videos, I am even more careful.
And one last thing. If a vehicle ploughs into your path, and a collision appears imminent, aim for where he is now, not for where he if heading!

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Re: Dash cam crash videos
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2017, 02:59:58 PM »
I have watched dashcam videos as well, very entertaining.  One thing did strike me though - drivers would rush headlong into situations that were developing and a competent driver would have been slowing down a long way back down the road,  its as though they were saying to themselves 'I have the right of way and it is up to the others to get out of my way before I get there'.  A few weeks riding a motorbike may help adjust their view on things.

I treat green lights as a give way as well,  and always look both ways '  I think Highway code says a green light is a signal to proceed if it is safe to do so.

IMHO most of the 'accidents' ( I would call them misjudgements) should easily have been avoided with a modicum of attention to the task in hand (ie driving a vehicle at speed) and a bit less testosterone.....  Modern cars make people feel indestructible - and lead to risk taking,  just as the modern drivers aids have actually increased the number of accidents.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2017, 06:06:24 PM »
One thing did strike me though - drivers would rush headlong into situations that were developing and a competent driver would have been slowing down a long way back down the road,  its as though they were saying to themselves 'I have the right of way and it is up to the others to get out of my way before I get there'.  A few weeks riding a motorbike may help adjust their view on things.
I couldn't get over how many of the accidents clearly signalled they were about to happen and the drivers just charged on. Especially in snow and ice. Some of them drive faster in snow than I would on a dry, summer road. They could have done with the driving test hazard perception test. I had to do that for my PCV license and it is quite an experience for an experienced driver. You spot a hundred things on every clip but they only want the one or two "developing hazards" that they have designated. Tuning out all the others, that the learner wouldn't notice, was my problem!
One thing about the video clips was how many totally innocent motorists get their cars damaged, sometimes severely, by cars involved in an accident and shooting off into queuing or parked vehicles.

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Re: Dash cam crash videos
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2017, 06:18:54 PM »
As I said, riding a motorbike sharpens your perception of hazards and makes you concentrate more because of your greater vulnerability - and the knowledge that if there is an accident you are going to come off worst. Cars drivers feel too safe in their nice warm steel boxes and take too many risks.
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Re: Dash cam crash videos
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2017, 06:34:51 PM »
Another aspect of the good motorcyclists perception of hazards is that they see further ahead than many car drivers.
I suggest that probably 50% of car drivers look no farther ahead than the car immediately in front of them hence missing that early warning of a hazard such as brake lights, turn signals, vehicles in the road coming towards them waiting to make a turn and vehicles in side roads waiting to come out as just a few examples.

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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2017, 08:38:02 PM »
I always wanted a motorcycle as a boy, my grandfather had a bike until he was almost 60, however my father said no and I went along with that. Eventually Dad passed and a few years later the urge for a bike returned. So at 37 I got my first bike and that was me started. Rode one bike or another for years after that, For pleasure, for work, for the sheer enjoyment. I would often say to my wife, "How long will dinner be?", and if she said anymore than 10 minutes then I would take the bike for a spin. I always said I learnt more about driving after getting my bike than I did the 20 previous years. I used to reckon you should have to hold a bike licence for 2 years before you could get a car licence. You are so much more aware of the road and other traffic on a bike than you ever are in a car. Eventually I gave the bike up. Never dropped one in thousands of miles. Only time I ever hurt myself on the bike was one day I stabbed myself in the leg, twice in the same place, with a kick-start which didn't always fold back!

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Re: Dash cam crash videos
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2017, 11:08:56 PM »
Jocko

What a bizarre coincidence. I was going to post a You Tube video on 'How not to drive'. Mad and hilarious and although most of them were high speed shunts, some of them were horrific, especially the motorbikes. Agree on bikes. I had one years ago and it taught me a lot. Given the vulnerability, not only do you have to read the road (surface and conditions) but you have to think ahead and for the majority of car drivers who are largely cocooned.
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2017, 11:10:52 AM »
There is no doubt that riding motorcycles is a very good way to learn about the road, the idiots on it and how much it hurts if you happen to lose concentration for even a very short while.  As written it is almost beyond belief the way some motorists just drive on regardless. My favourite couple opposite now named Dumb and Dumber. She gets into her Audi A3 ( look at me I am important) foot down to the junction, heavy braking to charge out of junction. Junction some 50 mtrs from their home.
Ironically, the only lasting injury I received from riding a M/C  was a little old lady in her moggie 1000, who thought road junctions were her right of passage. Unfortunately I was on the MAIN ROAD ( it had a A prefix) she came out on my nearside.
Two points made on my plod course. Look well ahead ( try this on a very quiet straight road) drop your vision to the end of the bonnet and you will slow down. Second just because when waiting to emerge from a side road and the one coming form your left is signalling left, do not pull out until he/she actually starts the turn. Having said that, recently following a woman who indicated left in front of me, turned left into the junction and then without ANY reduction in speed did a U turn and came out into my path. I suppose it's years of driving that somehow warned me of what she was going to do. This appears to be the problem with many drivers they never seem to get the knack of  the sixth sense that comes with years of experience.

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Re: Dash cam crash videos
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2017, 11:39:33 AM »

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I have noticed a recurring theme which seems to be more prevalent among women on the road. If they do something which they know is unreasonable they will very often look the other way. Pulling out of a junction or sideroad into oncoming traffic is a common one. I suspect the reason for this is simple psychology. By looking the other way, it becomes the responsibility of other parties. Same with pedestrians. The moment their tippy toes touch the tarmac they will very often look away. Not terribly logical though.

PS - Jocko. Think I have cracked the You Tube coincidence. Simple. Road rage with a snowy tilt is getting seasonal viewing and therefore pops up the moment we log on. Cognitive bias. Thought for a minute we might be spiritually connected.

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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2017, 12:07:30 PM »
This appears to be the problem with many drivers they never seem to get the knack of  the sixth sense that comes with years of experience.
I find this happening more and more often. I can follow a car and I know he is going to stop, or turn, or something. Often before the driver himself does, it seems! Certainly long before the driver signals (the better ones that do). I think 50 years of driving and over half a million miles is beginning to have an effect.

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2017, 12:40:22 PM »
This appears to be the problem with many drivers they never seem to get the knack of  the sixth sense that comes with years of experience.

You do seem to develop an uncanny sense for what people are going to do, must be picking up subtle clues that you don't realise you are noticing, apparently we do this with peoples body language every day and that you often get a feeling that someone is 'not behaving quite properly in the situation they are in' - according to animal experts all animals take more notice of body language than humans do,  and dogs excel at it.

When riding a motorbike over many years I got into habit of giving myself a 'running commentary' on what was happening on the road ahead (in my head,  not out loud) - then I started doing this while driving a car.  I read somewhere a while ago that this is what police and advanced drivers are taught to do,  it is amazing what you pick up. It helps get over the 'looking but not seeing' that many drivers do. 

I have also noticed that people cutting out on islands don't look at you, in fact they seem to go out of their way to show you the back of their head not just the side - muppets.
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2017, 02:39:11 PM »
Culzean, you are quite correct about the running commentary on police driving courses, unfortunately I have no idea if this is still the case given the standard of some police driving.
Sorry a couple of stories: A couple of days before my Wife's driving test, her driving school let her down, so I gave her a quick session and then just told her to ask the examiner if he/she minded my Wife speaking aloud. Well, my Wife passed and only then does the examiner have our address. As a village bobby ours of course was The Police House. The examiner then told my Wife he was a retired Traffic driver and by her giving a commentary he was aware of everything my Wife was thinking which he felt should be part of the test.
Second, on my first drive with running commentary, with 3 trainees I happened to be in the back and the copper driving came up to a busy junction. He hadn't asked the instructor which way to go,prior to the junction, so there we sat, with traffic building up behind. Eventually the driver said which way? Well he got his knuckles rapped ( with the peak of the Instructors cap, which was normal punishment for transgressions) and a marking down. A salutary lesson because on my final drive I made jolly sure I got that bit right.  As Culzean says it is a great aid to concentration and does actually help with anticipation. I must admit to feeling very vulnerable when driving these days. ONE thing that was drummed into us was treat every other driver as an idiot and it will help to avoid problems. I am extremely grateful for HM Government paying out to teach me to drive better than I thought I did. Personally I think it would help enormously if the public had access to skid pans and other such things only available to specialist organisations.

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2017, 03:21:29 PM »
I think that the Institute of Advanced Motorists used to teach and ask for a running commentary, I don' know if they still do.

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2017, 03:44:00 PM »
I was training for my IAM test and I used to practise the running commentary while out in the car by myself. One time I was taking my wife on a shopping trip to a nearby town, and asked her if I could do my commentary as we drove. On our return she commented that it was very relaxing with me commentating, as she wasn't on edge wondering if I had seen the truck coming in from the side road, the cyclist up ahead and the kids on the pavement. I don't think it made me any more observant, other than the fact I was constantly looking for things to comment on.
After my brother passed his police driving test, I always felt he was a smoother, safer driver, and felt very comfortable in the car with him.
With regard to Skin Pan training, Knockhill Racing circuit (very close to me) does a skid control course. It costs  £129, but is money well spent. A family member passed his test and we bought him the course as a birthday present. I went along to watch, and both him and I were impressed. It is a two hour course, on both FWD and RWD with a Brake and Avoidance Lane for experience in making the best use of ABS.
In July I will be 70, and will have to reapply for my driving licence. Before I do so I am going to do a 2 hour driver assessment with a local driving school. Just to make sure I am still up to it.

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2017, 04:41:19 PM »
You could well do your assessment with IAM.

More objective?

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