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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2017, 08:41:11 PM »
99+v for a gearbox removed and ready for the son in law to fit, choice of 3 manual although I'd avoid the white one.
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Very close by, 6 of them now if SiL is up for it.  U-Pull remove gearboxes for you as they are a bit heavy (jacks etc. banned on site)
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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2017, 10:33:21 PM »
From what it says on the link, you have to remove the box yourself at the Edinburgh yard.

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #62 on: December 10, 2017, 10:00:57 AM »
Received a quote from a garage in Glasgow.

Repaired in situ for 3270 plus vat
180 plus vat without a car attached


They obviously don't want the hassle of having to take the box out of the car!

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2017, 10:55:45 AM »
Received a quote from a garage in Glasgow.

Repaired in situ for 3270 plus vat
180 plus vat without a car attached


They obviously don't want the hassle of having to take the box out of the car!

Are you sure he hasn't slipped an extra zero on by mistake? :o

[edit: The more I think about it, I would be asking if that was a typo.]


I guess the 180+VAT quoted is okay, if that's all in for the full bearing kit - works out around 100 labour?

It looks a straightforward box to split, and if you were really tight you could do the noisy input shaft bearings only at 25-30, maybe some sundry sealant, and labour of course. Refitting would probably require a clutch & thrust bearing kit at 60-70, and a couple of litres of Honda MTF or equivalent.

The problem with a secondhand gearbox is that while it may be okay now, you don't know how far along the road to failure it is. From what I have seen, a jazz gearbox for around 100+VAT would be cheap, there are plenty asking 200+. It's supply and demand, plenty of duff gearboxes about, and a healthy demand for good secondhand ones. Engines on the other hand, seem to go for peanuts.

As most of the labour is actually removing and replacing the box, the most sensible thing to me is to repair the original box. Most garages will remove the gearbox and send it to a local gearbox specialist, my MOT man does that with all gearbox faults. I think you would be looking at a few hours labour at each end, and he charges 30/hour inc. VAT.

On the subject of gearbox oil, I read earlier some discussion of the merits of more regular oil changes. It's a small manual gearbox on the Jazz, it contains only 1.5 litres of oil. That small a volume of oil will be kept very busy, and I would think that changing it more often would not do any harm at all.
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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2017, 12:14:11 PM »
1.5 litres for gear oil??

My Honda garage used 2 can which is 8 litres for my auto transmission flush on my honda jazz.

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2017, 12:30:51 PM »
1.5 litres for gear oil??

My Honda garage used 2 can which is 8 litres for my auto transmission flush on my honda jazz.

That seems a lot for a gearbox. Shouldn't think the engine sump is much more than 3.5 litres. Are you sure they didn't charge you for 8 litres?

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« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2017, 12:32:40 PM »
that was for a gear box flush.  I assumed that was what he was talking about but could be wrong.

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2017, 02:50:48 PM »
Received a quote from a garage in Glasgow.

Repaired in situ for 3270 plus vat
180 plus vat without a car attached


They obviously don't want the hassle of having to take the box out of the car!

Are you sure he hasn't slipped an extra zero on by mistake? :o

[edit: The more I think about it, I would be asking if that was a typo.]

I did ask and just got a reply. The zero wasn't a typo - the 3 was. 270+ VAT.

I am loath to fit a secondhand gearbox. It is a lot to go through and find it is no better than the one I have.

1.5 litres for gear oil??
According to the Haynes manual it is 1.5 litres.

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2017, 05:37:59 PM »
Received a quote from a garage in Glasgow.

Repaired in situ for 3270 plus vat
180 plus vat without a car attached


They obviously don't want the hassle of having to take the box out of the car!
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Are you sure he hasn't slipped an extra zero on by mistake? :o

[edit: The more I think about it, I would be asking if that was a typo.]

I did ask and just got a reply. The zero wasn't a typo - the 3 was. 270+ VAT.

I am loath to fit a secondhand gearbox. It is a lot to go through and find it is no better than the one I have.

1.5 litres for gear oil??
According to the Haynes manual it is 1.5 litres.
What garage gave that quote Jocko
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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2017, 05:56:23 PM »

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2017, 09:38:57 PM »
I did ask and just got a reply. The zero wasn't a typo - the 3 was. 270+ VAT.

I am loath to fit a secondhand gearbox. It is a lot to go through and find it is no better than the one I have.

270+VAT sounds fair enough, I'm sure I would prefer to go down that route rather than a used 'box.

If it's not had one recently, add a clutch kit for 60 and you should be good for another 11 years  ;)
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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2017, 09:54:49 PM »
1.5 litres for gear oil??

My Honda garage used 2 can which is 8 litres for my auto transmission flush on my honda jazz.

Jocko's is a manual gearbox, the auto contains a lot more fluid, 5.4 litres in fact. A change will only swap out 3.2 litres, and a couple of flushes would be required to change most of the oil.

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2017, 06:57:02 AM »
Was out for a bit of a run yesterday, so once car was well warmed up I gave it a bit of a - for me - thrash. Several times I took it up over 4000 rpm and even as high as 4400 rpm! A quick blast along the Regional Road at 70+ completed the trip. Well, this morning the gearbox is considerably quieter than it has been. Not fixed by any manor of means but WAY quieter than usual. Perhaps the sudden shock has jolted the swarf out of the input bearing.

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2017, 08:45:46 AM »
Is it worth checking the oil level Jocko?

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Re: Gearbox shot.
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2017, 09:51:56 AM »
I never bother with a gearbox. If it is not leaking out there is nowhere for it to go. For all I know it has the same oil in the box that it came over from Japan with. Or even none at all! If it it still running come its next service in June I will get my son-in-law to change it. He's out every night, repairing snow ploughs and gritters this time of the year, so doesn't want to be bothered with my bag of bolts.

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