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Title: New owner questions
Post by: Parma Dewol on January 11, 2018, 09:42:55 AM
Hi all,

I'm new around these parts but have recently purchased my first ever Jazz.  :)

It's a 1.3 SE 5dr CVT from early 2016. I was formerly a very happy Civic owner, and as that car gave me 10 years of hardly any trouble, I wanted another Honda and the Jazz was a good price second hand.

First impressions are really positive. It's a fun little car, and isn't actually as small as I thought it would be. I'm 6'3 and the driver's seat has plenty of room for my long legs. Do I miss anything from the Civic? The digital speedometer and driver-leg cushion, but other than that the Jazz now feels like home and I much prefer the cheaper running costs. The road tax refund from my Civic will cover the Jazz tax for a few years!

I do however have a few new-owner questions. I've found answers for some of these by searching the forum, but I'm nonetheless asking them again in case any new information has become available. Here goes:

1) I used to have the headlights set to auto at all times in the Civic and it worked great, but on the Jazz I'm finding it a bit more tricky. The auto headlights work well, but in the darkest conditions the automatic full beams are a bit hit-or-miss. Sometimes they work great, but then sometimes they don't see cars on the other side of the motorway. Similarly, the other day I was stuck behind a tractor that had flashing yellow lights on top but no red lights on the back - the Jazz couldn't 'see' it and so my full beams were on.
- Is there a way to have auto headlights turned on with auto full beam turned off?
- With auto full beams turned on, is there a quick way to manually trigger the beams on/off?
Shame there doesn't seem to be a way to adjust the sensitivity of the full beams. I wonder if the system would work better if it waited for a few seconds of darkness before turning them on?

2) The warning message on the infotainment screen - is there still no way to turn this off or get it to auto accept after so many minutes of driving? I find that if I forget to turn it off before starting my journey it is quite dangerous doing so while on the move.

3) Is there no official/easy way to install other apps on the infotainment system? Google Maps and Spotify spring to mind as potentially useful options.

4) Is there any downside to leaving the parking sensors turned on at all times? If the answer is no, is there any way to turn off the green LED on the parking sensor? I'm sure I'll get used to it but I'm finding it a bit distracting at the moment.

5) On my Civic I used to like the fact that the dash told me how long I'd been driving. I can't seem to find this on the Jazz, am I missing something? I have the info display next to the speedometer set to show the speedlimit and range, but it would be nice to have time travelled on there too.

6) The car is going for its annual service in a few days' time. Is there anything I should ask for that may otherwise be missed - software updates, known faults etc?

Thanks for reading!
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Jocko on January 11, 2018, 09:56:25 AM
Welcome. I am sure some of the owners of the newer model will be able to answer your questions for you. Glad you like the Jazz.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: ColinS on January 11, 2018, 10:51:11 AM
1) I used to have the headlights set to auto at all times in the Civic and it worked great, but on the Jazz I'm finding it a bit more tricky. The auto headlights work well, but in the darkest conditions the automatic full beams are a bit hit-or-miss. Sometimes they work great, but then sometimes they don't see cars on the other side of the motorway. Similarly, the other day I was stuck behind a tractor that had flashing yellow lights on top but no red lights on the back - the Jazz couldn't 'see' it and so my full beams were on.
- Is there a way to have auto headlights turned on with auto full beam turned off?
- With auto full beams turned on, is there a quick way to manually trigger the beams on/off?
Shame there doesn't seem to be a way to adjust the sensitivity of the full beams. I wonder if the system would work better if it waited for a few seconds of darkness before turning them on?
I can't say I've had issues with the auto dipping.  You can always put on to full beam or dip in the same way as any other car.  If you hold the stick towards you (Flash) for 5 seconds or longer, then it will switch between manual and automatic

2) The warning message on the infotainment screen - is there still no way to turn this off or get it to auto accept after so many minutes of driving? I find that if I forget to turn it off before starting my journey it is quite dangerous doing so while on the move.
Unfortunately no.  One of the biggest gripes on the forum.

3) Is there no official/easy way to install other apps on the infotainment system? Google Maps and Spotify spring to mind as potentially useful options.
Officially no but there are work arounds on the forum.  I think the latest firmware update may stop these completely though.

4) Is there any downside to leaving the parking sensors turned on at all times? If the answer is no, is there any way to turn off the green LED on the parking sensor? I'm sure I'll get used to it but I'm finding it a bit distracting at the moment.
I don't find any downside, mine have been on for the last two years.  You will just have to get used to the LED, or put some tape over it.

5) On my Civic I used to like the fact that the dash told me how long I'd been driving. I can't seem to find this on the Jazz, am I missing something? I have the info display next to the speedometer set to show the speedlimit and range, but it would be nice to have time travelled on there too.
I don't think this is there.

6) The car is going for its annual service in a few days' time. Is there anything I should ask for that may otherwise be missed - software updates, known faults etc?
You will need to ask for software updates and map updates if you wan't them.  I don't think they are included by default.  But see 3 above.

Colin
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Deeps on January 11, 2018, 10:52:05 AM
1, Auto main beam can be switched on and off by holding the main / dip switch to the main beam flash position for a few seconds.

2, The warning message can't be changed.

3, lots of  recent discussion on the forum.

4, No downside, sticky tape over the led.

5, Not sure, I think it can be displayed in the info display.

6, A main dealer should check for any safety related updates,  software updates will have to be asked for.

7, I assume your car does not have a user manual.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Kenneve on January 11, 2018, 11:06:47 AM
My headlights are set to Auto all the time, since the Off position is spring loaded to Auto.
The only problem that I find is they tend to come on, when not really required, eg under trees on a sunny day!
There is no auto position for main beam, this is controlled, like any other car, by push/pulling the headlight control, as required.

The warning message - this is the bane of my life, in my view totally unnecessary and something dreamed up by the Elf & Safety boys. Like you say it can be dangerous to cancel it whilst on the move. It only wants a simple software mod to get rid of it but<<<<<<<<.
 
There are several other posts on the forum relating to the installation of Apps, suggest you check them out.

My parking sensors are on all the time and of course go berserk when I drive into my garage, but i live with it.
The green light is far enough away from my line of sight to not bother me.

The RH steering wheel control will cycle through the various screens on the dash, not sure about journey time though. I note there are two 'times' listed, currently showing 6h 20m and 99h 59m, not exactly sure what they actually mean, unless it's the time taken to cover the miles also shown.

Anyway, pleased you like the car, this is my 3rd Jazz.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: andruec on January 11, 2018, 11:26:14 AM
I've found the auto main beam to be pretty good myself - I've actually listed it elsewhere as one of the things Honda got right (unlike the auto wipers which seem to have got worse). They are occasionally a bit slow to spot an oncoming car on a bend at the bottom of a hill on my commute but mostly they seem fine. Although I have noticed in recent mornings they have seemed a bit dodgy. I'm not really sure why - they seem to cope fine in the opposite direction.

My main gripe about the stupid warning message is that if you ignore it you lose your clock. Or at least you're left with the time displayed very dimly in the top right and if you switch off cruise control it will appear in the information display on the dash. It would have been far more sensible for the warning message to be replaced with a full size clock if ignored.

As for (4) I've noticed this occasionally but luckily my seating position means it's mostly blocked. I can well imagine how annoying it would be for someone whose seating position didn't. I leave it on and am greeted by all the bleeps and warbles the car can make when I enter or leave my garage :)

You can see duration of current journey by flipping through the info screens on the dash (https://www.hondacarindia.com/ownersmanual/webom/eng/jazz/2016/details/106278046-289955.html) using the right-most steering wheel buttons.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Deeps on January 11, 2018, 11:43:21 AM
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Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Deeps on January 11, 2018, 11:51:29 AM

There is no auto position for main beam, this is controlled, like any other car, by push/pulling the headlight control, as required.


I think you are mistaken, MK3 Jazz models  from the SE up have auto main beam. The "on" indicator is a green headlamp symbol  containing a letter "A" at the top left of the instrument cluster. It can be switched on and off by holding the dip / main switch to the main beam flash position for five seconds, it is on by default when the car is started but only illuminates when the lights are on and auto main beam is on. I find the auto main beam works well, I live in a semi rural area and it is well used at this time of year.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Parma Dewol on January 11, 2018, 12:10:53 PM
Thanks for all the feedback everyone!

I can't say I've had issues with the auto dipping.  You can always put on to full beam or dip in the same way as any other car.  If you hold the stick towards you (Flash) for 5 seconds or longer, then it will switch between manual and automatic.
That is really helpful to know, will try it out next time I'm driving in the dark. :)

You can see duration of current journey by flipping through the info screens on the dash (https://www.hondacarindia.com/ownersmanual/webom/eng/jazz/2016/details/106278046-289955.html) using the right-most steering wheel buttons.
I did try flipping through those screens but don't remember seeing a current journey duration. Will have another look in case I missed it.

Will also be asking the garage to apply any relevant software updates. Have to say the service from Honda is always really good, we live out in the sticks and the garage had no qualms about picking up our car and dropping it back off after the service is done.

Just thought of one more question:

7) When I park up in the garage, the engine turns off due to auto stop/start, but then starts up again when I shift the auto gearbox from D to P. Is that normal behaviour? Seems a waste to start the car back up when I'm parked, but I suppose I could turn the engine off before putting the car in P?

Also noticed a few threads about people stating auto stop/start wasn't working at all in their car. It's worth pointing out that it didn't appear to be functioning in my car to begin with, but now that I've done a few long motorway journeys the battery appears to have been topped up and auto stop/start is working a treat. It will sometimes not kick in if it is really cold but usually gets going again once the car is warmed up.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Deeps on January 11, 2018, 01:00:33 PM
I don't know if journey time is an option as I rarely use that screen, but there is a lot of data in the info section of the main screen (once you have switched off the annoying " If you crash the car while trying to get this to work it's your fault" message. :-)
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: andruec on January 11, 2018, 02:07:39 PM
Thanks for all the feedback everyone!

I can't say I've had issues with the auto dipping.  You can always put on to full beam or dip in the same way as any other car.  If you hold the stick towards you (Flash) for 5 seconds or longer, then it will switch between manual and automatic.
That is really helpful to know, will try it out next time I'm driving in the dark. :)

You can see duration of current journey by flipping through the info screens on the dash (https://www.hondacarindia.com/ownersmanual/webom/eng/jazz/2016/details/106278046-289955.html) using the right-most steering wheel buttons.
I did try flipping through those screens but don't remember seeing a current journey duration. Will have another look in case I missed it.
It's there alright. I had to go back home at lunchtime and while waiting for the officepark gate to slide open I looked at the options. There is journey duration based on when you last reset each trip (A or B) and also average speed. It's sobering to think that since I last filled up - causing my trip A to reset - I have driven 120 miles on mostly rural roads with perhaps 20 of those being urban and my average speed is 27mph :-/
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: ColinB on January 11, 2018, 02:10:00 PM
Couple of things to watch out for with the auto-dipping:
1. If Iím dipping the lights manually, I prefer to dip just before another car appears, as judged from the ďloomĒ of the other carís lights; the auto system does it just after the lights have actually appeared. So youíre constantly blinding/annoying the other drivers. Thatís a particular issue if youíre following another car on a windy road, the lights are constantly flashing up and down as the preceding car appears and disappears. In those circumstances I switch the auto system off.
2. If youíre ever unlucky enough to experience condensation on the screen inside the sensor pod (as a couple of us have), the auto-dipping is one of the things that stops working, along with the lane departure warning.

Also noticed a few threads about people stating auto stop/start wasn't working at all in their car. It's worth pointing out that it didn't appear to be functioning in my car to begin with, but now that I've done a few long motorway journeys the battery appears to have been topped up and auto stop/start is working a treat. It will sometimes not kick in if it is really cold but usually gets going again once the car is warmed up.
Thereís a whole raft of circumstances in which the auto-stop doesnít work, have a look in the handbook. Moreover, the dashboard indication isnít always truthful about why it isnít working, for example if you have the ventilation set to the screen demist setting you get an indication about A/C, which isnít relevant; and in really cold weather the battery gets so cold that the sensor detects a low battery voltage and reports that as the reason when thereís actually nothing wrong with the battery.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: andruec on January 11, 2018, 02:13:34 PM
7) When I park up in the garage, the engine turns off due to auto stop/start, but then starts up again when I shift the auto gearbox from D to P. Is that normal behaviour? Seems a waste to start the car back up when I'm parked, but I suppose I could turn the engine off before putting the car in P?
Yes, it is normal. On your model you can only turn the engine off if the lever is in P unless you use the emergency stop procedure (holding the button in for several seconds).

Actually the way idle stop is handled with the CVT version is another bugbear of mine. The engine will always restart if you take your foot of the brake pedal. Even if 'N' is currently selected and the handbrake applied. Basically it means that if you want idle stop to do what it should you have to keep your foot brake depressed all the time you're stationary. I used to dislike motorists that did that as I was brought up on a manual and taught to engage the handbrake, select neutral and then release the brake pedal. But now I've had to join the massed ranks of drivers dazzling the poor sods behind them because the alternative is to render idle stop useless.

For what it's worth it isn't just Honda doing this. It seems to be common amongst all automatics with the idle stop feature.

And by the way: Even if you have the brake pedal pressed if you move the gear lever out of neutral or turn the steering wheel the engine will restart.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: andruec on January 11, 2018, 02:15:32 PM
2. If youíre ever unlucky enough to experience condensation on the screen inside the sensor pod (as a couple of us have), the auto-dipping is one of the things that stops working, along with the lane departure warning.
In my case it triggers my wipers as well. I don't know about the lane departure warning as I keep that switched off.

It's good car and I'm sure the OP will enjoy it as much all of us do. However unlike the previous models (I've owned both a Mk2 and a Mk1 Sport) it has a number of niggling issues and implementation rough edges that some of us find it hard to completely overlook. Possibly I've just been spoilt by what seemed like perfection from the Mk1 and Mk2.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Downsizer on January 12, 2018, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from Colin S.
"I can't say I've had issues with the auto dipping.  You can always put on to full beam or dip in the same way as any other car.  If you hold the stick towards you (Flash) for 5 seconds or longer, then it will switch between manual and automatic"

I never knew this, despite driving the car for for 20000 miles over two years.  I too have no complaint about the auto dipping, but I have found it irritating that it stopped working if I ever needed to over-ride it.  Clearly, I should have read p 174 of the manual before now.  Thanks!
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: Paulwhitt20 on January 12, 2018, 11:00:49 PM
I don't like using main beam or auto main beam. If main beam is on and you are traveling at a speed suitable for the distance you can see to be clear, then a car comes the other way and you come off main beam, you are now traveling at a speed higher than the distance you can see to be clear, so need to slow down or hope for the best, until the car passes and you can go on main beam again.

I think you can cancel the auto main beam by manually putting it on and off as others have said but in my experience it is less than 5 seconds.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: andruec on January 13, 2018, 09:55:50 AM
I think you can cancel the auto main beam by manually putting it on and off as others have said but in my experience it is less than 5 seconds.
Yes, that's one of my annoyances. It might be 5 seconds to turn it back on but I've turned it off unintentionally several times by just trying to flash my headlights.

On the problem of it not dipping until another vehicle is in view that might not matter a lot of the time. Main beam headlights do not illuminate everything in view. They have a particular beam pattern just like dipped lights (less side illumination and longer). The fact that another vehicle is in front of you does not automatically mean they are being dazzled. If the vehicle is round a curve or is above you it's entirely possible that they won't be dazzled.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: d2d4j on January 13, 2018, 10:04:12 AM
Hi

I have read this thread with interest

Our jazz does not have auto lights and I prefer it

I do have to say though, and I drove home from London this week at night (I do this regularly), using the A1 and the number of cars on the other side of the road which use main beam is annoying. Firstly, my eyes are drawn to bright lights, secondly tired eyes are easily blinded and thirdly, looking away means I am not directly looking at the road

I was always taught to only use main beam if no traffic was in sight, and to immediately go to dipped beam upon first sight of any traffic

These auto lights do not respond quick enough and drivers become reliant upon them

Many thanks

John
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: culzean on January 13, 2018, 10:14:56 AM
I think you can cancel the auto main beam by manually putting it on and off as others have said but in my experience it is less than 5 seconds.
Yes, that's one of my annoyances. It might be 5 seconds to turn it back on but I've turned it off unintentionally several times by just trying to flash my headlights.

On the problem of it not dipping until another vehicle is in view that might not matter a lot of the time. Main beam headlights do not illuminate everything in view. They have a particular beam pattern just like dipped lights (less side illumination and longer). The fact that another vehicle is in front of you does not automatically mean they are being dazzled. If the vehicle is round a curve or is above you it's entirely possible that they won't be dazzled.

Couple of things to watch out for with the auto-dipping:
1. If I’m dipping the lights manually, I prefer to dip just before another car appears, as judged from the “loom” of the other car’s lights; the auto system does it just after the lights have actually appeared. So you’re constantly blinding/annoying the other drivers. That’s a particular issue if you’re following another car on a windy road, the lights are constantly flashing up and down as the preceding car appears and disappears. In those circumstances I switch the auto system off.
2. If you’re ever unlucky enough to experience condensation on the screen inside the sensor pod (as a couple of us have), the auto-dipping is one of the things that stops working, along with the lane departure warning.

Neither of our cars has auto dip (and I am glad) I always dip my main beam in plenty of time,  if i see a vehicles lights approaching round a bend I dip mine before the vehicle appears, same with vehicle in distance I will dip sooner rather than later.  Some people dip and then turn main beam back on too soon before they have passed your vehicle and that can be like a camera flash going off.

On Civic you get best of both because with separate reflectors (H1 and H7 bulbs) when main beam is on dip stays on as well,  giving both a good spread and distance as well.  Having said that LED H4 bulbs in Jazz are a big improvement.

What ColinB says about sensors not working dues to condensation etc, is one of my concerns about myriad of sensors autonomous cars will need.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: ColinB on January 13, 2018, 11:00:53 AM
On the problem of it not dipping until another vehicle is in view that might not matter a lot of the time. Main beam headlights do not illuminate everything in view. They have a particular beam pattern just like dipped lights (less side illumination and longer). The fact that another vehicle is in front of you does not automatically mean they are being dazzled. If the vehicle is round a curve or is above you it's entirely possible that they won't be dazzled.
I disagree (strongly). Itís like using a torch at night: you get the benefit of it within an area maybe 15 or 20m in front of you. But that torch beam can be seen from many hundreds of metres away. So just because you canít see anything in the area illuminated by your lights does not mean that you are not affecting drivers outside that area.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: andruec on January 13, 2018, 08:35:05 PM
On the problem of it not dipping until another vehicle is in view that might not matter a lot of the time. Main beam headlights do not illuminate everything in view. They have a particular beam pattern just like dipped lights (less side illumination and longer). The fact that another vehicle is in front of you does not automatically mean they are being dazzled. If the vehicle is round a curve or is above you it's entirely possible that they won't be dazzled.
I disagree (strongly). Itís like using a torch at night: you get the benefit of it within an area maybe 15 or 20m in front of you. But that torch beam can be seen from many hundreds of metres away. So just because you canít see anything in the area illuminated by your lights does not mean that you are not affecting drivers outside that area.
Being able to see a torch is not the same thing as being dazzled by it. As long as the main beam is not illuminating your face you will not be dazzled by a torch. And being just outside the edge of the area of main beam illumination will not significantly affect other drivers ability to see.

The system on the Jazz is not as good as the system that Audi and Ford have developed but I doubt it dazzles many other road users and if it ever does it's probably only for fractions of a second and of less concern than badly adjusted dipped lights.

But for the record I went out to a golf club do tonight and can confirm that a half second flick of the headlights disables auto dimming. It's also a bit silly that there is no indication when you've held them on long enough to activate auto mode. It's only when you release them that either the indicator bulb light or it doesn't.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: culzean on January 14, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
On the problem of it not dipping until another vehicle is in view that might not matter a lot of the time. Main beam headlights do not illuminate everything in view. They have a particular beam pattern just like dipped lights (less side illumination and longer). The fact that another vehicle is in front of you does not automatically mean they are being dazzled. If the vehicle is round a curve or is above you it's entirely possible that they won't be dazzled.
I disagree (strongly). Itís like using a torch at night: you get the benefit of it within an area maybe 15 or 20m in front of you. But that torch beam can be seen from many hundreds of metres away. So just because you canít see anything in the area illuminated by your lights does not mean that you are not affecting drivers outside that area.
Being able to see a torch is not the same thing as being dazzled by it. As long as the main beam is not illuminating your face you will not be dazzled by a torch. And being just outside the edge of the area of main beam illumination will not significantly affect other drivers ability to see.

The system on the Jazz is not as good as the system that Audi and Ford have developed but I doubt it dazzles many other road users and if it ever does it's probably only for fractions of a second and of less concern than badly adjusted dipped lights.


When I was commuting regularly on unlit country roads I used to curse oncoming bicycle riders with their high powered (10watt +) LED front lights they are easily capable of dazzling a car driver as many were not pointing at the road but straight ahead,  same with the OTT LED flashing rear lights, more akin to lasers than bike lights.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: andruec on January 14, 2018, 08:37:27 AM
On the problem of it not dipping until another vehicle is in view that might not matter a lot of the time. Main beam headlights do not illuminate everything in view. They have a particular beam pattern just like dipped lights (less side illumination and longer). The fact that another vehicle is in front of you does not automatically mean they are being dazzled. If the vehicle is round a curve or is above you it's entirely possible that they won't be dazzled.
I disagree (strongly). Itís like using a torch at night: you get the benefit of it within an area maybe 15 or 20m in front of you. But that torch beam can be seen from many hundreds of metres away. So just because you canít see anything in the area illuminated by your lights does not mean that you are not affecting drivers outside that area.
Being able to see a torch is not the same thing as being dazzled by it. As long as the main beam is not illuminating your face you will not be dazzled by a torch. And being just outside the edge of the area of main beam illumination will not significantly affect other drivers ability to see.

The system on the Jazz is not as good as the system that Audi and Ford have developed but I doubt it dazzles many other road users and if it ever does it's probably only for fractions of a second and of less concern than badly adjusted dipped lights.


When I was commuting regularly on unlit country roads I used to curse oncoming bicycle riders with their high powered (10watt +) LED front lights they are easily capable of dazzling a car driver as many were not pointing at the road but straight ahead,  same with the OTT LED flashing rear lights, more akin to lasers than bike lights.
Well, yes. I'm not denying that a light shining directly into your eyes will not dazzle you, obviously. What I'm saying is that main beams will only shine directly into your eyes if you're directly in front (of a vehicle with properly adjusted headlights). If you're approaching me from around a curve you're not going to be dazzled until we get to a point where you are directly in front of me and by then my Jazz will have dipped its lights. The only reason to dip lights as soon as you see another car's headlights (or the glow of them) is because a human driver might be otherwise unable to do so if they leave it until the last minute. The car's electronics don't have that problem so they can safely leave it until the last minute.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: ColinB on January 14, 2018, 09:10:58 AM
If you're approaching me from around a curve you're not going to be dazzled until we get to a point where you are directly in front of me and by then my Jazz will have dipped its lights.
Ah, I think I might have seen you going the other way ! The Jazz only dips when it detects a car within a defined field of view which is pretty well directly ahead of the car. My experience has been that by the time an oncoming car has entered that zone, and the electronics have seen it and reacted, that driver has been subjected to full beam glare for a fraction of a second, which is more than enough to ruin his night vision and cause serious angst.

Iím not saying the auto-dip function isnít good, on the contrary it generally works well and itíll help many drivers. Just that - like most things - it isnít perfect.
Title: Re: New owner questions
Post by: culzean on January 14, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
If you're approaching me from around a curve you're not going to be dazzled until we get to a point where you are directly in front of me and by then my Jazz will have dipped its lights.
Ah, I think I might have seen you going the other way ! The Jazz only dips when it detects a car within a defined field of view which is pretty well directly ahead of the car. My experience has been that by the time an oncoming car has entered that zone, and the electronics have seen it and reacted, that driver has been subjected to full beam glare for a fraction of a second, which is more than enough to ruin his night vision and cause serious angst.

Iím not saying the auto-dip function isnít good, on the contrary it generally works well and itíll help many drivers. Just that - like most things - it isnít perfect.

The truth is a human being behind the wheel who is paying attention is still much better than all the AI and other stuff...  The trouble starts with too many distractions and driver aids that do not work properly.