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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: csp on December 01, 2015, 11:30:13 AM
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http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/new-cars/2015-12/honda-raises-prices-across-its-range/ (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/new-cars/2015-12/honda-raises-prices-across-its-range/)
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Glad I have already got mine.
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Even less chance of seeing one on the road then.
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Ok Boys, we aren't selling many...so lets increase the price (of an already expensive model)!!
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kia and toyota will get the business now, not the brightest move ever lol
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Another example of customer care.....
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With the annoucement of an increase in prices, I'd hoped there would also have been an annoucement of better specs.
I think that only offering one engine and three trim levels is pretty poor, especially on a model which is already two years old.
I'm always playing with the configurator on the website and it's pretty basic compared to other manufacturers, I can't even spec leather on the new Jazz.
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It's an extraordinary decision especially when Korean cars are cheaper and are now attracting good reviews from the press and organisations like Which.
It's even more crazy when you consider that costs must be low as well. There is a glut of steel on world markets and the oil price remains low as well.
Have Honda got a death wish?
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CEO probably on a bonus if he gets Honda out of UK. Tumbleweed blowing around Honda dealership forecourts prior to shutting up shop…..
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I was just about to order a HRV ES Navi the increase would add £1000 so bye bye Honda.
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and hello Nissan Qashqai
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I think Honda have lost the plot. I thought ditching the Accord was a strange decision, leaving the brand without an executive saloon, if I can call it that.
Now the price increase. And as for their return to Formula 1- an absolute disaster.
I love my Hybrid but I fear this looks like being my last Honda - and I have had a few.
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I think Honda have lost the plot. I thought ditching the Accord was a strange decision, leaving the brand without an executive saloon, if I can call it that.
Now the price increase. And as for their return to Formula 1- an absolute disaster.
I love my Hybrid but I fear this looks like being my last Honda - and I have had a few.
Yep, Honda UK have lost the plot. Dropping the CRZ, Accord and Legend, so just a few months ago, Honda UK had only 3 models in their entire car range.
But with the HRV, that's now increased to 4! :o
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Hence my reason to defect to Nissan Note after 6 x Jazz models.
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There simply not worth the increase unless they start fitting Xenons as standard on the Jazz, somehow I don't think it will happen?
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Ok Boys, we aren't selling many...so lets increase the price (of an already expensive model)!!
Do we actually know that the Mk3 Jazz is not selling well? Do we have any firm evidence? If it is true, no sales exec at a Honda dealership is going to admit it.
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Ok Boys, we aren't selling many...so lets increase the price (of an already expensive model)!!
Do we actually know that the Mk3 Jazz is not selling well? Do we have any firm evidence? If it is true, no sales exec at a Honda dealership is going to admit it.
Try this:
http://www.am-online.com/news/2015/1/29/how-honda-plans-to-double-its-dealers-profits/37675/ (http://www.am-online.com/news/2015/1/29/how-honda-plans-to-double-its-dealers-profits/37675/)
Or this:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/ford/uk-2014-car-sales-analysis-winners-and-losers/ (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/ford/uk-2014-car-sales-analysis-winners-and-losers/)
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I agree Honda have lost the plot. The answer to falling market share? Put up prices.
I wonder if they are trying to do this on purpose - smaller turnover with bigger margins. It's hard to say.
I do know that one of my neighbours has spent BMW 3 series money on a Civic.
Crazy.
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I think that Honda have also done themselves no favours by excluding themselves from several market segments. Over the years they have dropped the NSX, S2000, F-RV and Accord and not replaced them with anything. They may not have been great sellers, but at least they provided a presence in those areas.
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Maybe the consequence of bigger dealer margins will be bigger dealer discounts and the bottom line won't change significantly.
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Absolutely no chance of bigger discounts as it is totally against Honda policy and any company that totally ignores its own customer opinions the way Honda do is on a slippery downward slope as I am afraid they are about to find out with plummeting sales.
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I do know that one of my neighbours has spent BMW 3 series money on a Civic.
Crazy.
BMW not that reliable these days and with German cars under emissions spotlight may be better off with a Civic
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Ok Boys, we aren't selling many...so lets increase the price (of an already expensive model)!!
Do we actually know that the Mk3 Jazz is not selling well? Do we have any firm evidence? If it is true, no sales exec at a Honda dealership is going to admit it.
Try this:
http://www.am-online.com/news/2015/1/29/how-honda-plans-to-double-its-dealers-profits/37675/ (http://www.am-online.com/news/2015/1/29/how-honda-plans-to-double-its-dealers-profits/37675/)
Or this:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/ford/uk-2014-car-sales-analysis-winners-and-losers/ (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/ford/uk-2014-car-sales-analysis-winners-and-losers/)
or even this ;D
http://focus2move.com/world-top-100-cars-brand-ranking/ (http://focus2move.com/world-top-100-cars-brand-ranking/)
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I do know that one of my neighbours has spent BMW 3 series money on a Civic.
Crazy.
BMW not that reliable these days and with German cars under emissions spotlight may be better off with a Civic
I'd take the Beemer over a civic especially 135m at 30k in blue. :P
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Both the dealers I have spoken to are not aware of this price increase.
Also one dealer is offering interest free credit on the Jazz
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The general trend does seem to be these days, that shareholders must be appeased. Often we see profit warnings etc. I am no economist but surely a profit is a profit, which doesn't seem to sit well with any company if they are not making at least say 5% on their investment. I should think most members of the public would be satisfied with 3% on their investments BUT we are led by economists not common sense.
An example: Both my Wife and I are considered to be virtually unable to walk, so parking in a blue badge area is an essential to give us enough room to open the car door completely in order to get out.
We had friends to visit and after deciding to go out for lunch we went to a local reservoir where they had a Cafe. Bearing in mind it was difficult enough to walk to the actual Cafe, we had to pay £2 for the privilege of buying food there. Yes I know, it's to get money from the people using the amenities. Fine, but I wrote to the Water company asking why in cases like ours could they do as Waitrose do in Okehampton, give the shopper a £1 towards parking charges. I think we spent over £50 for four. I wasn't asking for a freebie just a concession. NO REPLY. We pay the highest water bills in the UK we are told, so why not cream a few more bob off the punter and I think this is indicative of modern business thinking. Service is a dirty word.
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I do know that one of my neighbours has spent BMW 3 series money on a Civic.
Crazy.
BMW not that reliable these days and with German cars under emissions spotlight may be better off with a Civic
I'd take the Beemer over a civic especially 135m at 30k in blue. :P
Well yes. My brother bought a 3 series 320i for £30,000 last year. He got full leather and a range of options PLUS the status. My neighbour's Civic cost him a tad under £28,000.
I hear what people say about reliability but you can get reliability from a range of manufacturers none of whom charge what Honda do for a new car.
On the Jazz, I would say the base model should be around £10 grand. The SE should be no more than £12.5 but it was over £13 grand before the price rise.
It's madness. I love Honda but glad I buy second hand. The idea of paying £13 grand for a Jazz simply doesn't compute with me.
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As a matter of interest I have checked the prices of the Fit on the US website and found that:
The EX Manual is $17700 List (= £11712) compared to the Jazz EX Manual UK list price of £15715.
Bear in mind also that the US Spec car is fitted with a 1500cc 130bhp engine and comes with a 5 year driveline warranty as well as the normal 3 year warranty.
I think Honda are taking the pee somewhat.
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status of a BMW lolololololol thanks man you cheered me up
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status of a BMW lolololololol thanks man you cheered me up
BMW have very clever marketing people, other people sell cars they sell 'Status' to people with more money than sense (and an awful lot of company cars to people wanting status LOL) - the BMW of the motor bike world are Harley-Davidson or 'The Milwaukee Tractor Company' (referring to agricultural nature of their engineering) also clever at marketing - they don't sell motorbikes, they sell a lifestyle consisting people with long hair and beards and no responsibilities riding the wide open roads of USA (they have to be wide open roads because Harleys 'don't do bends' very well.
The initial price of a car is one thing, running costs are another, my Hondas have cost me next to nothing in parts and repair costs, but if you have a company car those costs are not paid by you anyway so why worry about them.
looks like problems in German car industry are endemic LOL
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/24/bmw-shares-emissions-volkswagen (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/sep/24/bmw-shares-emissions-volkswagen)
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Had thought of changing early 2016 but having 2nd thoughts now after scanning this topic. Road tests don't look very exciting. It's not been mentioned yet - so here goes! - perhaps Honda are feeling the pinch from their adventure (not very successfully) back into F1 :o
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As I have previously stated I was going to change mine in twelve months when it will be three years old, however after the various reports in the motoring press and posts on here I seriously doubt it will be another new Jazz especially in view of the cost of the new EX with this price rise and with it's new technology which I am not at all impressed with.
I may possibly go back to a Civic but not brand new, maybe a demonstrator or six to twelve months old, otherwise I shall be looking at a change of marque which would be a shame as Honda has been my preferred choice for many years now.
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I like the look of the 0% finance being offered. Its only on cars registered this month so it will only be on the colours, models available for delivery this month.
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As a matter of interest I have checked the prices of the Fit on the US website and found that:
The EX Manual is $17700 List (= £11712) compared to the Jazz EX Manual UK list price of £15715.
Bear in mind also that the US Spec car is fitted with a 1500cc 130bhp engine and comes with a 5 year driveline warranty as well as the normal 3 year warranty.
I think Honda are taking the pee somewhat.
...and it comes with a proper opening sunroof as standard. I can't believe they've dropped the panaoramic roof in the UK. Want metallic? No charge in the US.
Honda would never get away with charging premium prices in the US - they're seen as cheap cars there.
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Honda would never get away with charging premium prices in the US - they're seen as cheap cars there.
car sales tax in USA is a lot lower than in UK (average between different states is about 4 to 5% as opposed to 20% in UK). Also a lot more competitive market in USA.
There is a big difference between cheap and good value - the Japanese did the same to American car industry as they did to ours, simply by giving many orders of magnitude better reliability and quality and much better value for money - we have soon forgotten how bad British and American cars were before Japanese came on the scene, some on this forum may be too young to remember when a heater and radio were 'optional extras'.
Honda have always been in the business of setting up local plants to produce cars using local content and labour - that is why they are so well respected in USA.
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http://www.am-online.com/news/2015/1/29/how-honda-plans-to-double-its-dealers-profits/37675/ (http://www.am-online.com/news/2015/1/29/how-honda-plans-to-double-its-dealers-profits/37675/)
Some very interesting stuff in there. I now better understand why the dealer bribed me into taking a PCP on the Jazz we bought last year.
It talks about the dealers being geared up so Honda could do 100,000 sales per year - perhaps that explains why our excellent and long-standing little dealer got canned.
In the event they "slumped" to 50,000 sales in 2011. Well things aren't much better now - they only just broke 50,000 last year and this year will be the same. Seems their taget isn't even 100,000 any more - it's 80,000.
And the dealers think having a Honda franchise is worse than Fiat or Chrysler!
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Had thought of changing early 2016 but having 2nd thoughts now after scanning this topic. Road tests don't look very exciting. It's not been mentioned yet - so here goes! - perhaps Honda are feeling the pinch from their adventure (not very successfully) back into F1 :o
many of Honda woes caused by Mclaren not giving them enough space for the engine pack developed by Honda so Honda engineers had to downsize critical components, reducing stored power and electric motor boost available, also Mclaren handling not the best
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As a matter of interest I have checked the prices of the Fit on the US website and found that:
The EX Manual is $17700 List (= £11712) compared to the Jazz EX Manual UK list price of £15715.
Bear in mind also that the US Spec car is fitted with a 1500cc 130bhp engine and comes with a 5 year driveline warranty as well as the normal 3 year warranty.
I think Honda are taking the pee somewhat.
Mid of the range (2 of 3) when I was in Australia earlier this year, price was brand new and roughly $2 = £1. Pre-reg...unheard of there.
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Mid of the range (2 of 3) when I was in Australia earlier this year, price was brand new and roughly $2 = £1. Pre-reg...unheard of there.
That's an auto as well.
We pay more in the first place and then get spanked on depreciation as cars drop in price faster in the UK than anywhere else.
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And the steering wheel and all controls are already on the right hand side!!