Honda e

[RichardA]

Press release for the Honda e:

https://hondanews.eu/gb/en/cars/media/pressreleases/187281/frankfurt-international-motor-show-2019-3

More information will added here when available.

[Jocko]

Or check these four pages out here https://clubjazz.org/forum/index.php?topic=11161.0

[John Ratsey]

The Owner's Manual for the Honda e is now available https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/manuals-and-guides/honda-owners-manuals/_jcr_content/par1/textcolumnwithimagem_2131108407/textColumn/richtextdownload_90f/file.res/20YM%20Honda%20e.pdf .

[beerbelly]

"funny how time just slips away"

[John Ratsey]

I thought that the Honda e was a fairly small car. Evidently not!

[peteo48]

One of the things that interests me about the Honda E is the relatively small battery. I've read various articles about this and Honda are quite unapologetic about this emphasising that this is an urban/city car. In due course, no doubt, bigger cars with a longer range will be introduced.

If the UK charging network wasn't so poor, 120 miles would do me.

[John Ratsey]

Yes, the Honda e is specifically designed as a town car for which the range is fine. I also suspect that the range will drop off substantially if doing out-of-town cruising at 50 mph or more as the boxy shape can't be very aerodynamic.

We have to wait and see how Honda provide a longer range battery vehicle. Will the next Civic, for example, include a BEV option or will Honda produce a separate BEV model? Tesla, who only produce BEVs, make the floor pans as two sheets of metal with a load of lithium cells sandwiched between them but this isn't such a practical option if a BEV is a variant of a standard model which could offer combustion engines, mild hybrid, PHEV and BEV depending on the target market. Or maybe they'll go down the hydrogen fuel cell route for which the Honda Clarity https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/honda/clarity-fcv is an example.  All will be revealed in due course.

[culzean]

Yes, the Honda e is specifically designed as a town car for which the range is fine. I also suspect that the range will drop off substantially if doing out-of-town cruising at 50 mph or more as the boxy shape can't be very aerodynamic.

The range of BEV drops off quite steeply over 50mph anyway, as does the range of ICE, but maybe to a lesser extent.  50 or below is the sweet spot for most vehicles for best efficiency,  the Jazz that went Lands End to John O'Groats stayed pretty much at 40mph.   Seen tests of Tesla and if they took them on motorways for any distance range dropped like a lead balloon -  bank on 60% of claimed range,  especially if cold and wet.

[peteo48]

I read a book about the Nissan Leaf a couple of years ago. Michael Boxwell iirc. Anyway he organised a test between the very first Nissan Leaf which had a very inefficient heater and a brand new one. Both were 24 kwh versions. The newer one would do a 100 miles in an urban stop/start environment but only 51 miles at 70 mph.

[richardfrost]

Finally seen my first Honda E in the flesh here in Yorkshire. Maybe it’s a Honda E By Gum! It was parked alongside my RAV4 when I came out of Tesco. Quite a bit bigger than I imagined. Golf sized.

[Westy36]

Honda E By Gum! Love it! 

Its good to see a photo of the car in its natural surroundings. Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh myself.

Question: Where have the wing mirrors gone? 

[richardfrost]

They are cameras now in little pods. It’s very spacious inside.

[MicktheMonster]

The Honda e is tested by Chris Harris on Top Gear tomorrow night, there is a preview on YouTube now

[John Ratsey]

They are cameras now in little pods. It’s very spacious inside.

I was hoping they would put those cameras on the Mk 4 Jazz as there would be a useful reduction in wind drag. Electronics are cheap and probably cheaper than mirrors with motors and heaters. However, either Honda felt that the unconventional looks would scare potential purchasers or realised that the internal screens, if put next to the cameras, couldn't easily co-exist with the cup holders.

[E27006]

They are cameras now in little pods. It’s very spacious inside.

I was hoping they would put those cameras on the Mk 4 Jazz as there would be a useful reduction in wind drag. Electronics are cheap and probably cheaper than mirrors with motors and heaters. However, either Honda felt that the unconventional looks would scare potential purchasers or realised that the internal screens, if put next to the cameras, couldn't easily co-exist with the cup holders.

The air drag contribution of door  mirrors is tiny compared to all the other "bits and pieces" underneath the car,  mirrors are also cheap and last forever,  cameras deteriorate,  an owner of an Audi EV with cameras  for rear view is  complaining about the cameras  life expectancy of 18 months,  at 18 months of service the image quality deteriorated to poor,  they were not cheap to replace!