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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Topic started by: olduser1 on July 29, 2010, 03:12:28 PM
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I have been off line for 12 months or so & wanted to check if anyone here had heard of the 2011 model spec , there is some talk of the i-shift going west and being replaced with a CVT. Now if Honda UK wanted sales all they need to do is mate the CVT with 1.5 VTEC like Jazz drivers in South Africa enjoy .
So any rumours ?
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Nope everythings still the same.
No change at the moment.
What they need to do is have the 'sport' model with 1.5 vtec engine like the states have and I'll be trading my Jazz in an instant.
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Me too!!
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I've not seen the spec but there is talk of a hybrid.
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I've asked the chap on the Honestjohn discussion forum for more details of this:
Great news. I know there has been loads of rumours of late about the Jazz Hybrid / CVT etc but now its 100% official.
Honda have announced that the last batch of I-Shifts will roll off production in November with the CVT replacing it almost immediately. The Jazz Hybrid will also be available to order for early 2011.
Lets see what emerges.
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Sorry to hear the i-SHIFT is to be (could be ?)replaced on the Jazz:(
I would have thought it better to develop the system to make the system easier to live with on 'first drives'. The fault to my mind is in the mapping of the engine to give the best fuel consumption figures causing hesitation in increasing the engine speed from low (under 2k revs) in 'panic' situations.
I find that I prefer the overall control that I have over the performance to suit the road/traffic conditions by use of the gears when needed with the option of automatic control when in slow moving/stop start traffic on Motorways or in town.
I never felt in full control with the CVT box on my previous Jazz Sport despite its 'paddles'. For instance on a winding downhill road or driving round bends on country roads when trying to keep up more than a 'Sunday driver's' rate of progress. ::)
To my mind a lazy man's car that 'enjoyed revving its head off while trying to increase speed uphill or in keeping up with traffic on Motorway inclines :( .
Can cruise control be fitted to a CVT box ? - its a boon for 50 mph sections on Motorways roadworks ;D & worth every penny :)
Keep enjoying Jazz driving
OUI
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Hello: my first post here! I'd seen a message on HJ about the CVT, but can't see any source for the claim. The auto version for SA is fitted with a torque converter auto, as in the US.Personally, I'd be quite interested in a 1.5 manual version, as it gives something like MINI Cooper performance with 120PS. It's a shame the UK branch of Honda don't seem to want to make a more sprightly Jazz available.
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Further updates @ 03/08/10:
Thanks, Nellzonda. Is this official dealer info? There doesn't seem to ahve been a press release. And are you sure Honda is reverting to the CVT rather then the 5 speed torque converter auto it already fits for South Africa at the Swindon plant. Whatever, it is something I have been recommending them to do since the first adverse reaction to the i-shift that never did what it was supposed to do anyway, which was to get the car under 120g/km.
HJ
Hi HJ
Yes I work for a Honda dealership. Although nothing has been printed in the press there are no secrets as customers of mine have also received this as confirmation from Honda UK when they complianed about the I-Shift !
As far as I am aware it will be the same CVT as the Insight. I have phoned HUK logistics to see when they are available to order and they have told me December / january but this could be subject to change.
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Hybrid discussion has been split from this post and can be found here:
http://clubjazz.org/forum/jazz-ge-2009/jazzfit-hybrid/
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well still there is no official news about Jazz CVT..
now its paris autoshow time and it would be a great opportunity to present jazz CVT.
I think its only rumour or hoax :(
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If it does indeed turn out to be a hoax/rumour then Honda need a good slap, it would have been quite easy for them issue a statement clearing up any confusion.
As for anyone that claims the i-shift is OK and that 1st drive impressions are wrong and it's all about how you drive it......................................either you are rumour mongers commissioned by Honda to improve the image or you are seriously deluded!
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Sorry I can't let Berisford infer that I (& others ?) are commissioned by Honda to improve the image of the i-shift - if only ? I await the cheque !
I am deluded on a number of things in life but for Berisford presume to know what they are ? He must be a ???? or mind reader ? and should be able to name his own price as a consultant on anything that people have opinions on.
All I can say is that I have driven over 16,000 enjoyable miles in my Jazz i-shift - not perfect but was is in this life ? The i-shift is good yes good !! Unlike my previous HRV CVT and my Jazz sport CVT my increase or decrease in speed relates directly to the pressure of my right foot. Yes I did enjoy the seamless progress provided once I'd adjusted my driving technique from a manual gearbox.
I can understand why some drivers find that it doesn't suit their style of driving but I don't think any the less of them or think they are deluded & in the pay of other car makers to rubbish Honda.
A Question for you ? Are all applications of VWs group DSG automatic perfect ??
Enjoy you're Jazz whatever age or model - I do
Oui-oui
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A Question for you ? Are all applications of VWs group DSG automatic perfect ??
I once drove a Mk5 VW Golf 1.9 TDi with DSG and found it juddered when pulling upto a stop.
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I note that Honda sales year on year to September are down 14% and VW up 13%!
They've only got themselves to blame. :(
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For Japan a revised Fit including an RS version. http://world.honda.com/news/2010/4101008All-New-Fit-Hybrid/?r=m Maybe the 1.5 iVtec 6speed manual with revised suspension will filter through. Eventually.
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Here's amovie on the RS: vile seat colours but nice sound! http://www.honda.co.jp/Fit/rs/movie/
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Facelift 2011. In Japan is already for sale.
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The Honda press release for the Hybrid has a tag of 1.59m yen = £12.1k still too expensive v Hyundia & Ford small hatch
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I bet it'll be £16k plus when it arrives at your local UK dealer. :(
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I still prefer the 2002 model and of course its launch price, thats progress.
I will be driving once at the dealers in North West, impressions to follow
Here's the details from Honda press release 08/10/2010:
<13 G/13 L >
New and sophisticated exterior design which contributes to the reduction of air resistance and improvement of fuel economy
Excellent fuel economy of 24.5km/liter*5 and improved practical fuel economy achieved through the adoption of ECON Mode*6
Enhanced features and improved usability achieved through a thorough review of the previous model
Honda Smart Parking Assist System*7 which enables easier parking
Key features of Fit Hybrid
Exclusive exterior design which pursues an "advanced and clean" concept through features such as headlights and front grille painted and/or plated with clear blue paints
Exclusive interior design which pursues an advanced and clean image through features such as a special interior panel painted in champagne metallic color as well as ambient meters unique to a hybrid model which displays the status of high fuel efficiency driving
The hybrid system, a combination of a 1.3-liter i-VTEC engine and compact and lightweight IMA (Integrated Motor Assist), achieves an excellent fuel economy of 30km/liter
Placement of the IPU under the rear cargo area enabled the vehicle to maintain interior comfort and flexible seating configurations that are unique characteristics of the Fit
Eco Assist (Ecological Drive Assist System) which will help driver achieve highly fuel efficient driving was adopted to improve practical fuel economy
Honda HDD Inter-navi system, an exclusive manufacturer's option package, comes with Linkup Free service which offers various information services free of telecommunication fees
Exterior colors (8 colors including 2 new colors)
Azure Blue Metallic (new), Premium Deep Mocha Pearl (new), Taffeta White, Premium While Pearl, Alabaster Silver Metallic, Premium Yellow Pearl, Milan Red, Crystal Black Pearl
* Premium Deep Mocha Pearl is scheduled to become available starting in December 2010
Interior colors (2 colors)
[13 G/13 L] Black x Blue, Beige (main material: suede-like fabric)
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Photo of Honda Jazz Hybrid engine from Honda .com site
(http://world.honda.com/news/2010/4101008All-New-Fit-Hybrid/photo/images/14.jpg)
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Honda Worldwide.October 8th,Website, has a photo of a revolving front passenger seat for the 2011 Japanese FIT which I assume will be an option for the UK Jazz in the Spring.
Now I think about it ,my joints are getting creaky.
Perhaps it could be an option for the driver's seat as well?By the way this is my first message to the Forum.Bought a 2008 1.4 EX in Alabaster Silver with the Elite pack last August.I was looking for a small furniture van that handles well and has a screen that lights up , on startup, like a Christmas Tree.So I bought the nearest thing .A Jazz!
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Bucksfizz, these seats were popular years ago I owned a SAAB 99 with such a passenger seat. These days they are called Bride seats, basically the frame swivels 90* , whether they fit the drivers seat is doubtful.
(http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/swivel-car-seat.jpg)
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Bucksfizz, these seats were popular years ago I owned a SAAB 99 with such a passenger seat. These days they are called Bride seats, basically the frame swivels 90* , whether they fit the drivers seat is doubtful.
I wouldnt thought so.....
Bride is a very big aftermarket bucket seat supplier in Japan- like Recaro
Or maybe I've read your post wrong ???
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We maybe both correct , I know of the Bride sport seats but when I last looked on the www some Japanese dealers were offering swivel seats for passengers ie rotating passenger seats - needless to say I cant find the link !
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Update: 26/10/10 - our local Honda dealer reckons the new 2011 models due in UK Late Feb / Early March
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Bucksfizz, these seats were popular years ago I owned a SAAB 99 with such a passenger seat. These days they are called Bride seats, basically the frame swivels 90* , whether they fit the drivers seat is doubtful.
(http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/swivel-car-seat.jpg)
I think a similar feature was available on the Japanese-spec ("JDM" for those in the know) GD Jazz when it first came out.
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Topic now locked.
Please use this topic to discuss about the 2011 Jazz:
http://clubjazz.org/forum/honda-news-79/prices-announced-for-2011-honda-jazz/
All replies added since the 1st December have now been merged into the above topic.