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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Main Beam Assist
« Last post by peteo48 on Today at 02:08:12 PM »
There is no comparison between the way manual and automatic cars are driven and to put them into a lazy driver contest is not valid. A lazy manual transmission driver will sit in traffic with foot on clutch and brake or hold their car on an incline with the clutch. Auto transmissions by definition should be left to do their thing, left in drive until you want to park it or go backwards. The extent of this difference may be indicated by the fact that an auto licence holder is not permitted to drive a manual car. I have driven both manual and automatic cars in most of Europe, Australia, The USA and Canada. The UK is the only country where I have seen this type of discussion or such strong feelings about brake lights. Maybe some people should get off our little island and see how the rest of the world manages relaxed, non competitive driving.

Some good points here. Since I got my CVT I've been a bit sensitive about it but doing my own observations, it seems clear that keeping your foot on the footbrake is common practice even in cars with manual transmissions. Many newer drivers also keep the clutch depressed and the car in first ready for a quick getaway - I have to say I'd be uncomfortable doing that.

But I do struggle with the idea that brake lights blind people or cause discomfort. I never even thought about the issue until I entered discussions on this forum.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Best Camera.
« Last post by zzaj on Today at 01:28:37 PM »
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Main Beam Assist
« Last post by sparky Paul on Today at 12:44:45 PM »
There is no comparison between the way manual and automatic cars are driven and to put them into a lazy driver contest is not valid. A lazy manual transmission driver will sit in traffic with foot on clutch and brake or hold their car on an incline with the clutch.

I nearly mentioned the same point about manuals, and the majority of these drivers that are sat at traffic lights with their foot on the brake will also be in gear and have their other foot on the clutch. I almost always knock it out of gear and hand brake automatically, without thinking.

Any particular type of transmission does not make for a lazy driver. When I do drive a conventional auto, I will shift into neutral for longer stops, say at a rail crossing or traffic lights where you anticipate a longer wait, mainly because it's kinder to the transmission, but not all the time as I would in a manual. It's sort of aping what I would do in a manual, but it's not the same. However, that does not have anything to do with using the foot brake instead of the hand brake.

Would you say that, from your travels, the density and slow flows of traffic in the UK have anything to do with attitudes here?
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Creaking
« Last post by Roddy0000 on Today at 11:42:47 AM »
Thank you, worth a try, I did wonder whether it was a door rubbers issue, certainly worth a try so ty.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Main Beam Assist
« Last post by Skyrider on Today at 11:29:16 AM »
There is no comparison between the way manual and automatic cars are driven and to put them into a lazy driver contest is not valid. A lazy manual transmission driver will sit in traffic with foot on clutch and brake or hold their car on an incline with the clutch. Auto transmissions by definition should be left to do their thing, left in drive until you want to park it or go backwards. The extent of this difference may be indicated by the fact that an auto licence holder is not permitted to drive a manual car. I have driven both manual and automatic cars in most of Europe, Australia, The USA and Canada. The UK is the only country where I have seen this type of discussion or such strong feelings about brake lights. Maybe some people should get off our little island and see how the rest of the world manages relaxed, non competitive driving.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Best Camera.
« Last post by Omits on Today at 11:27:11 AM »
But I will just f*ck off and take my comments with me.

Your comment have been most useful. Don't be phased.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Main Beam Assist
« Last post by sparky Paul on Today at 10:52:33 AM »
As for brake lights, the gearbox doesn't know or care whether you have your foot on the brake or the handbrake on, sitting there with your foot on the brakes is just bone idleness.
You might want to read some of our posts more carefully. The reason those of us with the CVT box are doing it is because it's the only way to allow the idle stop to operate. If we release the brake pedal the engine will restart. So it isn't 'bone idleness' as you rudely suggest. It's the result of us making best use of the features of the vehicle we have purchased.


I read all of the posts thanks, and the first mention of brake lights was by Kenneve, who made no mention of CVTs at all - it was just a general whinge about people sat with their foot on the brakes, as was my post.

No need to take the hump because you presuppose I am having a go at you CVT drivers with idle stop. These cars must account for only a very tiny proportion of the drivers who do this, I'm pretty sure that most drivers sat in a traffic queue with their foot on the brakes are not doing it because they have a Honda with idle stop. I apologise if you think I was having a pop at you personally, but in the vast majority of cases, of course it is bone idleness.

I've seen this problem with the implementation of idle stop before, and I agree it seems like a significant design flaw to me, and contrary to the HC. I don't have the same problem with our other car which has stop-start, it's a manual, so works on neutral and clutch up - no interference from the brakes whatsoever.

As for using handbrakes on conventional autos, I have driven every auto like this and never had any problems. Stop, apply handbrake and release the foot brake. If you are going to be stood for any length of time, slip it into neutral or park. If the handbrake can't hold against the creep, there's something wrong with it.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Main Beam Assist
« Last post by ColinB on Today at 10:43:54 AM »

Rule 114 does not specify the transmission type so is a typical HC rule fudge, advice with no standing in law. When the HC is backed by law it states "You must".

Respectfully suggest you need to revise the Highway Code. I only quoted part of Rule 114 before, in full it is:

"Rule 114
You MUST NOT

- use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
- use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).

In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.

Law RVLR reg 27"
(That's here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/regulation/27/made)

So I read the "should" bit as advice to avoid infringing the "must" bit. It's your choice whether you wish to follow that advice or not, but your view doesn't alter the fact that auto drivers cannot comply with this unless they wish to continue polluting the atmosphere when stopped, which seems very odd to me. Maybe the next revision of the HC will include something about minimising pollution.
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Off Topic (Non-Honda) / Re: Traffic light timing
« Last post by culzean on Today at 10:17:28 AM »
While UK are going back to crossroads with traffic lights and putting traffic lights on islands other countries are welcoming islands as the best thing since sliced bread and building them apace. IMHO traffic / road engineers just like to mess with things,  and I am sure in most UK councils they get brown envelopes from traffic light companies.  At one local island the engineers put up a short section of black plastic slats like a vertical venetian blind on one of the approach roads - I queried it and they said it was to block the drivers view of the island and make them stop - one problem,  as you approached the island and got within 20 feet you could see the island through the slats anyway, even our local MP criticised it, as it cost over 140,000 ( about 8 years ago ) - it is now falling apart and makes a right eyesore,  and did it prevent accidents, no evidence that it did.

https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Safety/roundabouts/BasicFacts.htm

Above USA article claims that studies have shown that islands can improve traffic flow 30 to 50%.
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Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - / Re: Jump start
« Last post by culzean on Today at 09:41:24 AM »
Hi, does anyone know whether on the mark 3 jump leads can be used to jump start another car, I am aware that on some cars it can damage the electronics. Many thanks.

jump starting from another battery should be fine as voltage is not more than 12 volts.  Connect positive clamp to bad battery first and then positive to donor battery, then negative to bad battery and then negative to donor battery ( this is to make sure you don't short any of the clips to each other or bodywork.

When bad car is running unclip negative from each battery first and then positive from either battery (again to make sure nothing shorts together - when you drop booster cables that are still attached to both terminals of either one battery and the clamps short together you will get an almighty spark ).

If you are not in a hurry it is better sometimes to run the engine on the donor car and not try to start the bad car straight away but just charge the battery up and then disconnect leads before trying to start the bad car.

 I have a device that consists of a long length ( about 8 metres) of twin cable with a cigarette lighter socket plug on each end and a red light on each end, it is meant to plug into both donor and bad car and while the cables only carry about 10 amps max, it can be used to top up another cars battery enough to start the car. Where did I get it from ? I found it on a carpark - maybe someone used it and forgot to pick it up.
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