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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk1 2002-2008 => Topic started by: smilertoo on September 25, 2018, 10:58:13 AM
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Hi,
I'm happy enough with my 2004 jazz but it makes a terrible racket when on the motorway, it's not the car but roadnoise. Does the 2nd gen filter it out any better? (i'm using quality cross climate+ tyres so theyre not the issue).
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I thought the Jazz was fairly quiet for a small car.
What sort of a noise is it? Does it sound like tyre noise?
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Its like driving with the windows slightly open, even when theyre not. It just seems to be noise and vibration coming through from the road surface at speed.
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On the motorway road noise is the loudest thing you hear in my Jazz.
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I was wondering if Honda did something about it on the 2009+ jazz?
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Hi,
I'm happy enough with my 2004 jazz but it makes a terrible racket when on the motorway, it's not the car but roadnoise. Does the 2nd gen filter it out any better? (i'm using quality cross climate+ tyres so theyre not the issue).
The only thing touching the road is the tyres, there is a massive difference in road noise between different tyres. Combination of tyres and road surface, on some surfaces even otherwise quiet tyres can make a tidy racket..
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The later car is a more modern design, so you would think that things would have moved on a bit. That said, I still don't consider our Jazz a noisy car. Even at 70-75mph, I certainly wouldn't call it a 'terrible racket'.
I notice you have Michelin CrossClimate tyres on, which will not help. Directional tyres are quite a lot noisier than symmetrical or asymmetric tyres, especially as they wear down.
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Has anyone here tried replacing their jazz carpet? If i did that i could put sound deadening rubber under it and in door panels. Cheaper than upgrading to newer car just to reduce noise.
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Why not try a non-directional tyre when the time comes?
The noise is the reason I avoid directional tyres. In fact, the last ones I had on the rear of our other car drove me mad, so I took them off before they were worn out. At one point, I had convinced myself that the rear wheel bearings were the source, but swapping the front wheels with the back ones moved the noise to the front axle. A pair of new (asymmetrical) tyres solved the problem.
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My Nokian WR-D3 winters are quieter than some summer tyres I have had. I have Avon summers on Civic and Jazz and they are quiet and grippy only time will tell how they wear but I will measure tread depth when I take them off to put Nokians on at end of October.
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Only got them this march, shouldn't need changed for a few years. Car had four random nearly worn out tyres on it when i got it.
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Car had four random nearly worn out tyres on it when i got it.
...but were they quieter? ???
As I say, I avoid anything directional now. Don't get me wrong, some are okay, but some are horribly noisy. I think the CrossClimate tyres are known for being quite a noisy tyre.
It could be something else, you might have a wheel bearing on it's way, or a bush gone. It doesn't take much to transmit noise through to the shell. It's just that our Jazz has never struck me as a noisy car.
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As I said earlier, in my Jazz road noise is the biggest sound on the motorway, but it is no way what I would call noisy. Car is really pretty quiet. CrossClimate tyres tyres are, at 68db, one of the quieter tyres out there. My new Yokohama tyre is 68db and I chose it because of the low noise.
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Jazz never struck me as a noisy car, I have had tyres in the past on newish cars ( OE fitted tyres ) that have been very noisy and as soon as they wore out I replaced them with quieter ones and difference was huge - why do car makers fit noisy tyres as OE ? Many of the complaints from reviewers are about road noise and for people reading reviews it can be the difference between buying a car or not. It is only on some particularly rough road surfaces that road noise is intrusive, on majority of roads hardly notice it.
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Hi,
I'm happy enough with my 2004 jazz but it makes a terrible racket when on the motorway, it's not the car but roadnoise. Does the 2nd gen filter it out any better? (i'm using quality cross climate+ tyres so theyre not the issue).
The very early Jazz's did have some suspension mounts changed but I think that was to do with harshness rather than noise. We had a 53 reg and were assured it had the new mounts so your 2004 should have them.
I put Cross-Climate tyres on daughters Golf and thought they were quiet.
There's a website where someone went a bit bonkers soundproofing a Jazz - http://www.hondafitjazz.com/dead2.html
I'd say our mk2's are much quieter and altogether more comfortable. I had a basic mk3 the other day as a courtesy car and that was noisy, and very cheap feeing.
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CrossClimate tyres tyres are, at 68db, one of the quieter tyres out there.
I saw that Jocko, but if you look around some other forums, you will find a few complaints about the noise from these tyres - as well as others saying they are quiet. There are certainly mixed views, perhaps it's just certain car/tyre combinations.
Tyre manufacturers are allowed to make these noise/treadwear/economy figures up themselves anyway, I'm not sure that they actually mean a great deal in my experience. If anyone took any notice of them, we would all be running round on ditchfinders.
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I reckon my jazz is pretty quiet,i did 520 miles in a day up to huddersfield and back last month and don't remember giving it any thought so can't be too bad. I suppose it depends what you are used to and the expectations you have.
A few weeks after i first got it i did notice what sounded like a rear wheel bearing noise to me but only some road surfaces showed it up.Mot bloke showed me that rear ns tyre was wearing funny and stepping and said this would cause same noise,after a couple of motorway runs even that has now stopped!
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A few weeks after i first got it i did notice what sounded like a rear wheel bearing noise to me but only some road surfaces showed it up.Mot bloke showed me that rear ns tyre was wearing funny and stepping and said this would cause same noise,after a couple of motorway runs even that has now stopped!
By odd coincidence, I had the same thing suddenly appear with the NS rear tyre, quite severe feathering of the block pattern on the inside, with noticeable scalloping. I knew the wheel bearing on that corner was starting to get a little noisy, but I didn't connect it to the tyre wear.
I replaced the bearing, which solved the bearing noise, but by then most of the noise was coming from the tyre. After checking the obvious, rear tracking, bushes etc., I was starting to suspect shock absorber, but I fitted a new pair of tyres on the back and put the rear pair on the front. The noise obviously transferred to the front, but never got any better - so I ended up putting a new pair on the front too.
The odd thing is, the new rear tyres have been on for several thousand miles now, and after finding no other problems, there's absolutely no trace of unusual wear whatsoever. That leaves either a faulty tyre, or the wheel bearing that was causing the odd wear.
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My car is low mileage,mot man reckoned it could just been an old tyre.I had wheel off the other the other day and looked at the code and that particular tyre is 10 years old!
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mine is loud between 50-80mph.
weird.
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mine is loud between 50-80mph.
weird.
What's it like between 80-110?
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I'm only on the motorway for 2 junctions so i rarely get over 60.
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I'm only on the motorway for 2 junctions so i rarely get over 60.
Shame. I find the engine tends to be a little rough at 70 MPH. Push through the sound barrier to 75-80 MPH and I find everything seems to harmonize and the engine is as sweet as a nut. I do get a bit of road roar and booming in the cabin on certain surfaces. It came with Dunlop's on all four. I have used Toyo's in the past so I will probably fit them next time. I have always found them to be a good all round, fairly quiet and nice handling tyre.
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mine is loud between 50-80mph.
weird.
What's it like between 80-110?
Its like the engine or exhaust is more louder.but when i reach 80 or slow down to under 50 its not that loud again.
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Thought I'd resurrect this topic as I had also found the road noise on my 08 1.4 Sport wearing.
So I spent almost three pounds on some 3mm rubber sheet on eBay and did the mod described here http://www.hondafitjazz.com/ring.html (http://www.hondafitjazz.com/ring.html). Fitting a rubber washer to the top of the front suspension.
It took only 30 minutes to do and has made a vast difference.
Between 50 and 70 road or tyre noise is almost gone. It's also smoother and quieter around town. Much more of a difference than when I changed the tyres.
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I am having the same issue, noise coming from the back, intensifying and peaking at 50-70 mph
It was not an issue before, recent problem for a year or so
with different tyres at the back..
mine is loud between 50-80mph.
weird.
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Tyres can make a huge difference to road noise. I once replaced two "near new" tyres because they were so noisy and completely spoilt the car (Carlton if I remember right).
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currently run crosslimates, but issue started on well seasoned summers/winters which had no issues before
got spare summers, will swap to doublecheck
it's weird vibrating resonating sound way to loud for just rubber
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it's weird vibrating resonating sound way to loud for just rubber
You would be surprised how much noise a tyre can make. Have a good look at your rear tye, make sure there is no feathering or scalloping to the tread on the inside - you should be able to rub your hand around the tread both ways, and not feel any significant difference.
The real bad one I had on the rear sounded worse than the bad wheel bearing in the end, it was unbearable. It was on the hub which had the bearing replacement, and when I examined the tyre after changing it, the high spots on the inside of the tread coincided with the number of balls in the bearing. Wierd!
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it's weird vibrating resonating sound way to loud for just rubber
You would be surprised how much noise a tyre can make. Have a good look at your rear tye, make sure there is no feathering or scalloping to the tread on the inside - you should be able to rub your hand around the tread both ways, and not feel any significant difference.
The real bad one I had on the rear sounded worse than the bad wheel bearing in the end, it was unbearable. It was on the hub which had the bearing replacement, and when I examined the tyre after changing it, the high spots on the inside of the tread coincided with the number of balls in the bearing. Wierd!
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After I changed the OEM Pirelli tyres on my first Civic to Michelin I really thought I had gone deaf, 1 had to turn the radio down a lot and for the first time I could easily speak to people in the car. Tyres now have to show a decibel rating - which is a logarithmic scale power 10, so eg a tyre 3db higher is a lot louder.
https://www.explainthatstuff.com/soundlevelmeters.html
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It's a little complicated. Yes 3dB is roughly twice the acoustic power (10 to the power 0.3 = 2). To be a bit geeky the logarithmic decibel scale is used because your hearing also works logarithmicaly. If you test it 3 dB is about the smallest reduction in loudness a person can notice.
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in my case it turned out to be rear hub, jazz is quiet again
not sure how me and MOT missed this before..
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I am getting some noise and vibration from my vehicle. It freaks me out as I wonder if its an issue with the car or if its just a normal NVH issue related to the design.
Sometimes I hear random sounds coming from the car.
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Sometimes I hear random sounds coming from the car.
Turn the radio up. The Jazz is not a quiet car, especially the earlier ones. Most of the noise appears to come from tyre noise. I once had a car and on a long trip I thought the bearings were going. I was in two minds whether to turn back. I didn't, and 50,000 miles later I finally parted with it!
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You'll know it's road noise if it changes with the road surface. On some motorways mine would be quiet enough on smooth bits but pretty loud on rougher tarmac. Like I said much better with the rubber washer mod.
I'm a reluctant DIY mechanic but may have to take the door cards off to sort out sticky windows. (I tried cleaning and lubricating the channels but they still won't close sometimes.) Anyway if/when I do I think some sound deadening is going in while I'm at it.
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Have you ever noticed how much quieter a car is coming back with an MOT pass than it was driving to the MOT station?
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A massive amount of noise in a car is due to tyres. My brother had a Civic and loved it but too much road noise so he traded it in for a Ford Kuga, he has been a passenger in my Civic and remarked how quiet it is. Turns out his Civic had Pirelli tyres, same as original factory fitted tyres on my first 6th gen Civic and the noise was horrendous, I Changed those tyres for Michelin and thought I had gone deaf, my present Civic has Avon ZV7 tyres and is really quiet. I have seen many car reviews in magazines refer to lots of road noise and this is bound to put potential car buyers off -why any car maker would fit noisy tyres as original equipment is beyond me.
My wife's mk2 Jazz with 15" wheels and 175/65R15 Avon ZT5 tyres is much quieter than with the 16" rims and 185/55R16 Bridgestone tyres it had before, and rides a lot better.
It is a lot quicker to get new tyres than fit sound deadening.
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I had gone deaf
I am currently going deaf (actually have a doctor's appointment this afternoon). My good ear (better ear) is now playing up, and some mornings the car is virtually silent. The other morning I commented to my wife that it was like driving a Rolls Royce. She said she wished it was!
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I've used hearing aids for years. Actually took them out on the motorway when I first got my Jazz because the noise was so wearing. Don't need to anymore.
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A massive amount of noise in a car is due to tyres. My brother had a Civic and loved it but too much road noise so he traded it in for a Ford Kuga, he has been a passenger in my Civic and remarked how quiet it is. Turns out his Civic had Pirelli tyres, same as original factory fitted tyres on my first 6th gen Civic and the noise was horrendous, I Changed those tyres for Michelin and thought I had gone deaf, my present Civic has Avon ZV7 tyres and is really quiet. I have seen many car reviews in magazines refer to lots of road noise and this is bound to put potential car buyers off -why any car maker would fit noisy tyres as original equipment is beyond me.
My wife's mk2 Jazz with 15" wheels and 175/65R15 Avon ZT5 tyres is much quieter than with the 16" rims and 185/55R16 Bridgestone tyres it had before, and rides a lot better.
It is a lot quicker to get new tyres than fit sound deadening.
Out of interest, do you have 16'' or 17'' wheels on your Civic? At some point, I will obviously have to replace the tyres on my Jazz (Dunlop) and I have pencilled in Toyo Proxes which I have used before but 'quiet' is high on the list now. Really not a fan of these silly low profile tyres. Just does not make sense on our roads.
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Being referred to Audiology!
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A massive amount of noise in a car is due to tyres. My brother had a Civic and loved it but too much road noise so he traded it in for a Ford Kuga, he has been a passenger in my Civic and remarked how quiet it is. Turns out his Civic had Pirelli tyres, same as original factory fitted tyres on my first 6th gen Civic and the noise was horrendous, I Changed those tyres for Michelin and thought I had gone deaf, my present Civic has Avon ZV7 tyres and is really quiet. I have seen many car reviews in magazines refer to lots of road noise and this is bound to put potential car buyers off -why any car maker would fit noisy tyres as original equipment is beyond me.
My wife's mk2 Jazz with 15" wheels and 175/65R15 Avon ZT5 tyres is much quieter than with the 16" rims and 185/55R16 Bridgestone tyres it had before, and rides a lot better.
It is a lot quicker to get new tyres than fit sound deadening.
Out of interest, do you have 16'' or 17'' wheels on your Civic? At some point, I will obviously have to replace the tyres on my Jazz (Dunlop) and I have pencilled in Toyo Proxes which I have used before but 'quiet' is high on the list now. Really not a fan of these silly low profile tyres. Just does not make sense on our roads.
The Civic tyres are 205/55R16 Avon ZV7 my brother just got same tyres on his car and is very happy with them, especially at £59 each fitted.
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A massive amount of noise in a car is due to tyres. My brother had a Civic and loved it but too much road noise so he traded it in for a Ford Kuga, he has been a passenger in my Civic and remarked how quiet it is. Turns out his Civic had Pirelli tyres, same as original factory fitted tyres on my first 6th gen Civic and the noise was horrendous, I Changed those tyres for Michelin and thought I had gone deaf, my present Civic has Avon ZV7 tyres and is really quiet. I have seen many car reviews in magazines refer to lots of road noise and this is bound to put potential car buyers off -why any car maker would fit noisy tyres as original equipment is beyond me.
My wife's mk2 Jazz with 15" wheels and 175/65R15 Avon ZT5 tyres is much quieter than with the 16" rims and 185/55R16 Bridgestone tyres it had before, and rides a lot better.
It is a lot quicker to get new tyres than fit sound deadening.
Out of interest, do you have 16'' or 17'' wheels on your Civic? At some point, I will obviously have to replace the tyres on my Jazz (Dunlop) and I have pencilled in Toyo Proxes which I have used before but 'quiet' is high on the list now. Really not a fan of these silly low profile tyres. Just does not make sense on our roads.
The Civic tyres are 205/55R16 Avon ZV7 my brother just got same tyres on his car and is very happy with them, especially at £59 each fitted.
Had a look at them online. They seem to be well rated. I know Avon were popular with motorcyclists many years ago. Lost touch now. I had a set of Avon ZZ3 (I think) @15 years ago with the distinctive directional tread. They were great to start with but became noisy and feathered quite badly over a relatively short time and had a tendency to tramline and 'thump' on rough roads which is why I switched to Toyo. Turns out there was a well known design fault at that time with a tendency, in some cases, to lose shape. I know they fixed this in later tyres. It amazes me how these things can slip through development and testing after years of experience. I will see if I can have a shufty at a local tyre fitter though I suspect Avon will not be a standard stock item in most outlets. Thanks.
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ATS Euromaster stock Avons but ZV7 do not come in Jazz 185/55R16 or 175/65R15 sizes IIRC they will be ZT5 or ZV5
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in my case it turned out to be rear hub, jazz is quiet again
not sure how me and MOT missed this before..
The rear hubs are a major source of noise problems on the Jazz, and it's one of those things that creeps up on you without you noticing. Fortunately, it's an easy job.
They can be howling, and still not be picked up on the MOT. If there's no play, which there very rarely is, and it doesn't growl when spun with no weight on them, MOT tester is happy.
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How can you tell if a rear bearing is noisy then? With my duff hearing I often can't tell where a noise is coming from.
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I am pretty certain mine are noisier than they need be, but it has passed at least 3 MOTs like that so maybe I am mistaken.
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How can you tell if a rear bearing is noisy then? With my duff hearing I often can't tell where a noise is coming from.
Not easy, the noise sort of comes vaguely from the back seat & boot area when it's getting bad, the problem is that it transmits around the whole of the tub. It's not even easy to decide which side it is sometimes.
If I suspect a rear bearing, quickest way I have found to diagnose is as follows. Chock front wheels, release handbrake, jack the back end up and remove the wheels. Pop the bearing caps and wheel centres, replace the wheels and spin each by hand in turn, listening with a long screwdriver or bearing stethoscope (they are only a few quid for a cheap one) on the end of the stub axle shaft. You should hear a clear difference if you have one bad bearing, but you might find both have some noise on the Jazz, if they haven't been done.
I guess if your hearing is not 100%, you may need an assistant for this.
Worked for me, I replaced the noisiest sounding one on the nearside, and all was quiet again. I expect the offside one will be the next...
I am pretty certain mine are noisier than they need be, but it has passed at least 3 MOTs like that so maybe I am mistaken.
Ours sounded horrible, but didn't get a mention on the MOT, so it is possible. When the weight is off them, they feel okay.
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I had local Honda dealer MOT bloke fail a rear bearing on my wifes GD that was barely audible even with screwdriver on axle - my mechanic mate was shocked that it failed, and there was no noise when driving. I did the bearing myself. I don't use any MOT place that does repairs as well as they have a vested interest in failing the car to get the work, but have yet to convince my wife, maybe this is the year I can change her mind LOL.
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I had local Honda dealer MOT bloke fail a rear bearing on my wifes GD that was barely audible even with screwdriver on axle - my mechanic mate was shocked that it failed, and there was no noise when driving. I did the bearing myself. I don't use any MOT place that does repairs as well as they have a vested interest in failing the car to get the work, but have yet to convince my wife, maybe this is the year I can change her mind LOL.
Yes, there are some cheeky buggers, even a new bearing is audible with the screwdriver.
Best advice I can give is to find a decent independent that knows you do the repairs yourself, and stick with them. After moving here, I was recommended a local family run garage by a friend in the trade, and I've used them now for 20 years, previously dealing with the father, now the son who is about my age. All the cars plus my dad's go there for MOT, I have always done the jobs that they recommend doing and occasionally give him stuff to do if I'm too busy, and after a few years you build up a bit of trust. He can be very helpful, and I wouldn't go anywhere else.
Some council depots do MOTs for the public too, but no repairs, and they usually have a good reputation.
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My son-in-law takes my car to the MOT station that checks the HGVs for the fleet he maintains. They do do heavy vehicle repairs, but not private cars. If anything needs done, they just tell John and he does it.
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My son-in-law takes my car to the MOT station that checks the HGVs for the fleet he maintains. They do do heavy vehicle repairs, but not private cars. If anything needs done, they just tell John and he does it.
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
I know people who take their cars somewhere different every year, whoever they can find charging £25 or £30, but it's a false economy in the end. I pay for an hour's labour at £35 trade rate for an MOT, but even the £40 he normally charges is worth it for a honest test.
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I have seen many car reviews in magazines refer to lots of road noise and this is bound to put potential car buyers off -why any car maker would fit noisy tyres as original equipment is beyond me.
I suspect that manufacturers prefer tyres which give the best mpg during testing.
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I have seen many car reviews in magazines refer to lots of road noise and this is bound to put potential car buyers off -why any car maker would fit noisy tyres as original equipment is beyond me.
I suspect that manufacturers prefer tyres which give the best mpg during testing.
I would think that quieter tyres also give best mpg, it takes energy to produce noise.... they may be more interested in the cheapest price from supplier, a case of saving pennies and losing customers.
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On the subject of MOT's, I have had a couple of advisories but I am struggling to remember the last time I actually had a fail. It was certainly a long time ago and I certainly don't replace a car every 4-5 years. If I do, I would aim for a careful owner with typical or higher mileage which is only just run in. When you consider the test is designed to check road worthiness and seems to be more extensive each year, it must logically reflect on the overall quality of modern cars. Wear and tear aside, it seems to me the main headache these days is electrics which has limited real relevance to the test, well at least in my experience.