Post by: Kenneve on July 04, 2018, 10:28:38 PM
He tells me that it was sold to him as a 2017 model. However as far as I could see there is very little difference between that and my 2015 model.
Certainly there are minor trim changes, smaller rear grills, bump in the middle of the radiator chrome top section, led headlights, etc, but I'm not sure whether there are any technical and/or performance changes.
Does anyone have complete list of any updates?
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 07:57:07 AM
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 08:15:56 AM
https://hondanews.eu/eu/en/cars/media/pressreleases/125013/2018-jazz-dynamic-15-litre-i-vtec
Post by: Kenneve on July 05, 2018, 08:16:32 AM
Post by: mikebore on July 05, 2018, 08:18:45 AM
https://hondanews.eu/gb/en/cars/media/pressreleases/125475/2018-honda-jazz-15-i-vtec (https://hondanews.eu/gb/en/cars/media/pressreleases/125475/2018-honda-jazz-15-i-vtec)
But all always in these kind of docs it is difficult to differentiate what is actually new from what are its standard virtues of the family being restated.
I commented before that I am surprised that the official mpg figures for the 1.5 are nearly 10% worse than the 1.3.
Post by: barcam on July 05, 2018, 08:20:40 AM
All models had a stiffer body shell with thicker glass and more sound proofing, suspension settings had been revised to improve handling. The CVT programming was revised. Also LED sidelights and Headlights.
The Sport model has a 1.5 engine, body kit, revised interior trim and black alloy wheels.
I test drove a 2017 EX, then a 2018 Sport and there was quite difference. The first thing I noticed about the 2018 model was the improved handling and the car felt quieter at speed. The 1.5 engine was much faster off the mark and the engine did not rev so much.
I'm very pleased with the car and its my first Jazz.
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 08:40:46 AM
Honda News had an article which explained the changes for the 2018 UK/EU model, can't reach that link anymore.
All models had a stiffer body shell with thicker glass and more sound proofing, suspension settings had been revised to improve handling. The CVT programming was revised. Also LED sidelights and Headlights.
The Sport model has a 1.5 engine, body kit, revised interior trim and black alloy wheels.
I test drove a 2017 EX, then a 2018 Sport and there was quite difference. The first thing I noticed about the 2018 model was the improved handling and the car felt quieter at speed. The 1.5 engine was much faster off the mark and the engine did not rev so much.
I'm very pleased with the car and its my first Jazz.
I suspect the publication you mention is the one I read, I remember the thicker glass being mentioned. Having owned both a 16 and 18 model I can assure you they feel very different in refinement and handling disregarding the extra power of the 1.5.
Post by: barcam on July 05, 2018, 08:52:55 AM
Post by: barcam on July 05, 2018, 08:53:57 AM
I test drove a 2017 EX, then a 2018 Sport and there was quite difference. The first thing I noticed about the 2018 model was the improved handling and the car felt quieter at speed.
Makes me wonder why Honda have not spelt out the 2018 changes a bit more clearly.
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 11:59:06 AM
Post by: Kenneve on July 05, 2018, 12:02:28 PM
The car was purchased brand new last week.
Post by: peteo48 on July 05, 2018, 12:20:20 PM
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 12:23:13 PM
My friends car has the bump in the centre of the chrome section of the radiator grill. Is that indicative of the 2018 model?
The car was purchased brand new last week.
Yes, it is. The 2018 facelift car went on sale last September, joined by the Sport model in March this year.
Post by: guest4871 on July 05, 2018, 12:23:58 PM
One thing I have noticed with this car is the indicator lane change function works every time, it was hit and miss with my previous car but that may have been that particular car.
Pray - what's an indicator lane change function?
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 12:26:45 PM
One thing I have noticed with this car is the indicator lane change function works every time, it was hit and miss with my previous car but that may have been that particular car.
Pray - what's an indicator lane change function?
If you flick the indicator stalk in the direction you are going to move the indicator on that side flashes three times.
Post by: Jocko on July 05, 2018, 12:36:57 PM
If you flick the indicator stalk in the direction you are going to move the indicator on that side flashes three times.And if, like most drivers, you don't signal, does it slap you round the back of the head? Personally I think that would be a better use of technology.
Post by: mikebore on July 05, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
One thing I have noticed with this car is the indicator lane change function works every time, it was hit and miss with my previous car but that may have been that particular car.
Pray - what's an indicator lane change function?
If you flick the indicator stalk in the direction you are going to move the indicator on that side flashes three times.
I thought he was referring to the lane change warning system, which beeps and flashes a message if you change lanes without using the indicator first. I think it is on all Mk3s and my 2016 works every time, unless I have switched it off.
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 01:00:42 PM
Post by: guest4871 on July 05, 2018, 01:05:32 PM
What is a "One touch turn signal"?. Isn't that when you use the indicator stalk and it self cancels?
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 01:08:42 PM
OK. I think you are losing me here.
What is a "One touch turn signal"?. Isn't that when you use the indicator stalk and it self cancels?
No, it is when you flick the indicator stalk without moving it far enough to turn the indicators on. You just move it until you feel resistance and then let it return to the off position.
Post by: Jocko on July 05, 2018, 02:27:57 PM
No, it is when you flick the indicator stalk without moving it far enough to turn the indicators on. You just move it until you feel resistance and then let it return to the off position.My van had that and I found it a pain in the tonsils. I always cancel my indicators after using them, not waiting on the self cancelling to cancel or otherwise. With the van I kept finding it signalling in the other direction when I didn't want to. Didn't realise it was meant to do that! Must be heavy handed.
Does it flash fast when you do that? I have signalled to overtaking lorries that they are far enough past me to pull in, and I sometimes get three rapid flashes each side.
Post by: andruec on July 05, 2018, 02:38:56 PM
I leave mine switched off. I don't indicate unless I am aware of someone who would benefit from it and on dual carriageways and motorways there is often no-one that would.One thing I have noticed with this car is the indicator lane change function works every time, it was hit and miss with my previous car but that may have been that particular car.
Pray - what's an indicator lane change function?
If you flick the indicator stalk in the direction you are going to move the indicator on that side flashes three times.
I thought he was referring to the lane change warning system, which beeps and flashes a message if you change lanes without using the indicator first. I think it is on all Mk3s and my 2016 works every time, unless I have switched it off.
I also usually cancel my indicators manually but 'one touch' works well for me.
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 02:47:19 PM
Post by: Jocko on July 05, 2018, 02:58:25 PM
I have never heard of seen or had a headlight flash / indicator link. That sounds like a fault.You misunderstand. The lorry driver gives me three rapid blinks to either side to acknowledge me.
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 04:02:21 PM
I have never heard of seen or had a headlight flash / indicator link. That sounds like a fault.You misunderstand. The lorry driver gives me three rapid blinks to either side to acknowledge me.
Sorry, I did misunderstand, I just to drive them!
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
Post by: barcam on July 05, 2018, 04:54:11 PM
Post by: guest4871 on July 05, 2018, 07:58:32 PM
OK. I think you are losing me here.
What is a "One touch turn signal"?. Isn't that when you use the indicator stalk and it self cancels?
No, it is when you flick the indicator stalk without moving it far enough to turn the indicators on. You just move it until you feel resistance and then let it return to the off position.
Does the indicator stay on when you do this? How does it cancel? I thought it self cancelled?
Post by: Skyrider on July 05, 2018, 08:35:02 PM
OK. I think you are losing me here.
What is a "One touch turn signal"?. Isn't that when you use the indicator stalk and it self cancels?
No, it is when you flick the indicator stalk without moving it far enough to turn the indicators on. You just move it until you feel resistance and then let it return to the off position.
Does the indicator stay on when you do this? How does it cancel? I thought it self cancelled?
As I said above it flashes three times.
Post by: trebor1652 on July 05, 2018, 09:50:19 PM
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Post by: Dayjo on July 05, 2018, 10:22:35 PM
My 18reg EX Navi, doesn't seem to have it installed...... Thankfully!
Post by: guest4871 on July 05, 2018, 11:07:19 PM
My 15reg ES+ had the silly, three blink, pain in the neck.
My 18reg EX Navi, doesn't seem to have it installed...... Thankfully!
So the 18 reg 1.5 Sport has this three blink "lane change function" but the 18 reg EX Navi doesn't?
Post by: Dayjo on July 05, 2018, 11:17:31 PM
My 15reg ES+ had the silly, three blink, pain in the neck.
My 18reg EX Navi, doesn't seem to have it installed...... Thankfully!
So the 18 reg 1.5 Sport has this three blink "lane change function" but the 18 reg EX Navi doesn't?
I've "looked" for it..... But. It doesn't seem to function. Not the way, the ES+ did.
I'll try it out, tomorrow. If I remember......
Post by: Skyrider on July 06, 2018, 08:14:16 AM
Post by: JazzyJJ on July 06, 2018, 08:20:11 AM
Post by: John Ratsey on July 06, 2018, 08:35:19 AM
I commented before that I am surprised that the official mpg figures for the 1.5 are nearly 10% worse than the 1.3.I'm also surprised by this difference given that my 1.5vHR-V mpg is no more than 15% thirstier than the 1.3 Mk 3 which I had for one year before trading it in for the HR-V. One possible factor is that if the mechanical parts of the drive train are identical between the HR-V and 1.5 Jazz then the smaller wheels on the Jazz means that engine will be running faster for a given speed. It's also possible that the Jazz Sport ECU has been programmed differently but sensibly there should be an Eco button to provide a more economical cruising option.
Post by: culzean on July 06, 2018, 09:06:52 AM
OK. I think you are losing me here.
What is a "One touch turn signal"?. Isn't that when you use the indicator stalk and it self cancels?
No, it is when you flick the indicator stalk without moving it far enough to turn the indicators on. You just move it until you feel resistance and then let it return to the off position.
Does the indicator stay on when you do this? How does it cancel? I thought it self cancelled?
The indicator stalk does not move to the normal detent where it needs to cancel, you just push it slightly and the timing for 3 blinks is electronic, I never use it because I think you need more than 3 blinks when changing lane in traffic, and if no traffic why indicate anyway. I am with Jocko and hate the way when you use normal indicators to go around a corner and they self cancel you very often find that the stalk has gone far enough the other way to put the opposite indicator on for 3 blinks (just as you straighten up from one corner your indicators tell other road users you are turning the other way WTF ! ).
Post by: mikebore on July 06, 2018, 09:13:43 AM
I am with Jocko and hate the way when you use normal indicators to go around a corner and they self cancel you very often find that the stalk has gone far enough the other way to put the opposite indicator on for 3 blinks (just as you straighten up from one corner your indicators tell other road users you are turning the other way WTF ! ).
I have never experienced this!
Sounds dangerous, perhaps something needs adjusting?
Post by: culzean on July 06, 2018, 09:29:59 AM
I am with Jocko and hate the way when you use normal indicators to go around a corner and they self cancel you very often find that the stalk has gone far enough the other way to put the opposite indicator on for 3 blinks (just as you straighten up from one corner your indicators tell other road users you are turning the other way WTF ! ).
I have never experienced this!
Sounds dangerous, perhaps something needs adjusting?
Yeah the brains at Honda design need adjusting. It does not happen every time, but often enough to be annoying, happens on Civic as well so I doubt it is a malfunction.
Post by: ColinS on July 06, 2018, 09:41:42 AM
I am with Jocko and hate the way when you use normal indicators to go around a corner and they self cancel you very often find that the stalk has gone far enough the other way to put the opposite indicator on for 3 blinks (just as you straighten up from one corner your indicators tell other road users you are turning the other way WTF ! ).
I have never experienced this!
Sounds dangerous, perhaps something needs adjusting?
Not seen this once in over 30,000 miles. I like the 3 flash mechanism (but agree it should probably be 4), it has been fitted to a lot of cars for several years now. I also indicate every time, even if I think the road is clear. I was taught that way for good reason. The time you miss seeing something is when you will cause an crash.
Post by: trebor1652 on July 06, 2018, 09:49:11 AM
Do it right every time and then you don't get into bad habits.
After all there are enough nutters already on the roads, their numbers don't need adding to.
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Post by: andruec on July 06, 2018, 09:51:17 AM
I am with Jocko and hate the way when you use normal indicators to go around a corner and they self cancel you very often find that the stalk has gone far enough the other way to put the opposite indicator on for 3 blinks (just as you straighten up from one corner your indicators tell other road users you are turning the other way WTF ! ).I had that happen to me a few times when I first got my Mk2 Jazz but only until I was used to it. It's never happened with my Mk3.
Post by: mikebore on July 06, 2018, 09:55:53 AM
I am with Jocko and hate the way when you use normal indicators to go around a corner and they self cancel you very often find that the stalk has gone far enough the other way to put the opposite indicator on for 3 blinks (just as you straighten up from one corner your indicators tell other road users you are turning the other way WTF ! ).
I have never experienced this!
Sounds dangerous, perhaps something needs adjusting?
Yeah the brains at Honda design need adjusting. It does not happen every time, but often enough to be annoying, happens on Civic as well so I doubt it is a malfunction.
I would suggest the Civic needs adjusting too! It really should not do this.
Not seen on any car including 120,000 miles on three Jazzes.
Post by: andruec on July 06, 2018, 10:04:18 AM
Unfortunately most people who haven't been through an advanced driving course misunderstand this advice. They seem to think that it's an attempt to 'save effort' or perhaps to prolong the life of the indicator bulbs, and it isn't. 'Not indicating when it isn't needed' is a poor way of explaining it which is perhaps where the confusion comes from.I am with Jocko and hate the way when you use normal indicators to go around a corner and they self cancel you very often find that the stalk has gone far enough the other way to put the opposite indicator on for 3 blinks (just as you straighten up from one corner your indicators tell other road users you are turning the other way WTF ! ).
I have never experienced this!
Sounds dangerous, perhaps something needs adjusting?
Not seen this once in over 30,000 miles. I like the 3 flash mechanism (but agree it should probably be 4), it has been fitted to a lot of cars for several years now. I also indicate every time, even if I think the road is clear. I was taught that way for good reason. The time you miss seeing something is when you will cause an crash.
The reasoning behind it is that before you execute a maneuver you should ensure that you are fully aware of your surroundings and other road users. If that leads you to conclude that no-one would benefit from your indication then don't bother doing it. Why would you? The only reason in that scenario would be if, after performing your check, you weren't sure. In that case you shouldn't execute the maneuver.
Another problem is that people can get into the habit of 'indicate and go' without properly assessing what's around them. The purpose of this advice is to encourage drivers to indicate because someone needs to know what they are doing rather than out of habit.
There is also an element of minimising distractions. Indicators are designed to catch the eye so an unnecessary indication is a distraction and distractions cause accidents.
In practice I find that it's rare on today's busy roads for an indicator not to be required but on dual carriageways and motorways it's still often superfluous.
Post by: ColinS on July 06, 2018, 10:18:24 AM
I wasn't advocating not checking your surroundings etc. but the plain truth is that somewhen you will miss seeing something. That is when you are likely to cause a crash (no such thing as accidents) and I think indicating may just avoid that.
Post by: Jocko on July 06, 2018, 10:29:34 AM
The only time I do not signal is when returning to my own lane after overtaking. Again something I was taught on my PCV training. The Highway Code says you drive on the left so there is no need to signal. It is a given. The only exception is, if you have a Beemer or the like, right up your chuff, then I signal, to put him off undertaking as I allow space in front of the vehicle I have just overtaken.
Post by: trebor1652 on July 06, 2018, 10:44:38 AM
A complete law unto themselves.
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Post by: andruec on July 06, 2018, 11:03:08 AM
Thank you for pulling this all together andruec. I think the salient point is about advanced drivers and the problem is that most drivers think they are above average, or even advanced. I consider myself as below average so that mathematically, some of you can be above average.Agreed, I also hate the term 'accident'. The vast majority of crashes are not accidents - they are the result of (mostly) poor driver decisions and to a lesser extent poor road design. This whole 'don't indicate if..' is poorly presented. It's not a rule, more a corollary that's all. If you are sure that no-one needs to know then you don't do it. Same as if you are sure it's not going to rain you don't take an umbrella.
I wasn't advocating not checking your surroundings etc. but the plain truth is that somewhen you will miss seeing something. That is when you are likely to cause a crash (no such thing as accidents) and I think indicating may just avoid that.
On the subject of indicating though one of my pet peeves is people who don't indicate when leaving a roundabout and worst of all continue their initial indication because they are too lazy to cancel it. You can usually tell if someone is going to leave at an exit but it's only a fool would assume they were so all too often I have to wait to be sure. To me that's a symptom of automatic indicating. If they indicated in response to conditions they'd realise they needed to switch from right to left indication as they approached their exit because they'd see me waiting or approaching.
One of the reasons I still love driving is because I allow it to take up all my attention. There is too much going on for me ever to be bored and anything else in my life takes a back seat. I've often said that when I get behind a wheel I cease being Andrue. I become a driver and until I reach my destination that's what I am. Nothing else is relevant except what I'm doing, going to do and the same about everyone else on the roads or near to them.
Post by: culzean on July 06, 2018, 11:30:26 AM
Thank you for pulling this all together andruec. I think the salient point is about advanced drivers and the problem is that most drivers think they are above average, or even advanced. I consider myself as below average so that mathematically, some of you can be above average.Agreed, I also hate the term 'accident'. The vast majority of crashes are not accidents - they are the result of (mostly) poor driver decisions and to a lesser extent poor road design. This whole 'don't indicate if..' is poorly presented. It's not a rule, more a corollary that's all. If you are sure that no-one needs to know then you don't do it. Same as if you are sure it's not going to rain you don't take an umbrella.
I wasn't advocating not checking your surroundings etc. but the plain truth is that somewhen you will miss seeing something. That is when you are likely to cause a crash (no such thing as accidents) and I think indicating may just avoid that.
On the subject of indicating though one of my pet peeves is people who don't indicate when leaving a roundabout and worst of all continue their initial indication because they are too lazy to cancel it. You can usually tell if someone is going to leave at an exit but it's only a fool would assume they were so all too often I have to wait to be sure. To me that's a symptom of automatic indicating. If they indicated in response to conditions they'd realise they needed to switch from right to left indication as they approached their exit.
I have found that 'over-indicating' can cause problems as well, on larger islands I used to indicate when I was going around an island and ( obviously when leaving, if there was anyone waiting who could be helped by my signals). I got fed up of number of times people cut onto islands in front of me and then caught up and 'got inside of me' so that I had a problem when I wanted to leave, now I only indicate before leaving and people tend not to cut in. Being a motorcycle rider I have eyes up my ar5e (you have to) and am well aware of what traffic is around and what it is doing. Many motorcycle accidents happen because it is harder to judge the speed of an oncoming bike, and they can gather speed at a phenomenal rate (and yes often they go too fast in the wrong circumstances).
I have noticed some lorries indicate and then just pull out even though you are alongside, I think 'professional drivers' can be pretty pushy just plain ignorant sometimes - I have a friend and his son took HGV training, the instructors words were 'ignore cars and most smaller vehicles 'they will get out of your way' - and that was an instructor speaking :o
I am very wary of indicators anyway, I never pull out unless I am seeing the car slow down and start the turn, been almost caught a few times by either indicators left on or maybe on for a turn just after the one I am waiting at at and someone indicated early.
Everyone should ride a PTW at some time, sharpens your road sense to get out of the old fug box sometimes and feel vulnerable instead of safe in a cage.
Post by: Jocko on July 06, 2018, 12:14:01 PM
Personally, and I know most people would disagree with me here, I think you should have to qualify for a bike licence, before being allowed to "upgrade" to a car licence.
Post by: ColinS on July 06, 2018, 12:29:30 PM
My years riding a bike taught me a great deal. Every road surface looks the same sitting in a car. As a biker you soon realise they are not.
Personally, and I know most people would disagree with me here, I think you should have to qualify for a bike licence, before being allowed to "upgrade" to a car licence.
+1 My experience also
Post by: trebor1652 on July 06, 2018, 12:37:12 PM
Makes you a more aware and safer driver in my opinion.
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Post by: Skyrider on July 06, 2018, 03:41:07 PM
Post by: Kenneve on July 06, 2018, 04:59:23 PM
Fortunately Jocko has seen fit to post his version of 'Indicator Protocol' (many thanks Jocko), so maybe we can get back to discussing the original subject.
What I am particularly interested in are features that are new to Mk3, not found on previous versions.
Many thanks to those who did respond, unfortunately my 66 plate Mk3 is still 'too new' to consider changing as this time, but I may well reconsider the situation when mine is 3+ years old.
Post by: Skyrider on July 06, 2018, 05:26:56 PM
Post by: guest7675 on July 13, 2018, 05:00:14 PM
Post by: John Ratsey on July 13, 2018, 06:31:40 PM
The other aspect of the auto headlights which has annoyed me is the long period (several minutes) that the lights stay on after being triggered by a few consecutive wipes of the windscreen even in bright sunlight. Has the facelift improved this aspect?
Post by: Ralph on July 13, 2018, 07:32:19 PM
Someone had commented that the rainfall sensor had been improved on the facelifted Jazz. Is there any improvement with the auto headlights? Driving early last Sunday evening showed my HR-V (same as the pre-facelift Mk 3 in this respect) getting confused by tree shadows and causing the headlights to keep going on and off. Going under a bridge also triggers the headlights even if there's bright sunlight a few yards ahead.
The other aspect of the auto headlights which has annoyed me is the long period (several minutes) that the lights stay on after being triggered by a few consecutive wipes of the windscreen even in bright sunlight. Has the facelift improved this aspect?
I have a facelifted mk 3 which replaced a pre facelifted one. Driving the same route every day I find that there’s no difference in how the rainfall sensor works or how the auto lights switch on and off going under trees etc. Today we had some showery rain and at one point the wipers were going constantly with hardly any rain and when turned down had to be coaxed back into action when the rain got worse
Post by: Skyrider on July 15, 2018, 12:43:59 PM
The other aspect of the auto headlights which has annoyed me is the long period (several minutes) that the lights stay on after being triggered by a few consecutive wipes of the windscreen even in bright sunlight. Has the facelift improved this aspect?
I can't see my exterior lights from inside the car in daylight, a light on the dashboard is certainly not going to annoy me. I don't see the problem.
Post by: Ralph on July 15, 2018, 12:54:24 PM
The other aspect of the auto headlights which has annoyed me is the long period (several minutes) that the lights stay on after being triggered by a few consecutive wipes of the windscreen even in bright sunlight. Has the facelift improved this aspect?
I can't see my exterior lights from inside the car in daylight, a light on the dashboard is certainly not going to annoy me. I don't see the problem.
+1 on the lights.
What does annoy me are the "automatic" wipers that need as much adjusting as standard manual wipers this is the 3rd car I’ve had (2 Hondas and a Ford ) with them and they’re all the same, I don’t see why they bother fitting them at all
Post by: culzean on July 15, 2018, 01:06:47 PM
The other aspect of the auto headlights which has annoyed me is the long period (several minutes) that the lights stay on after being triggered by a few consecutive wipes of the windscreen even in bright sunlight. Has the facelift improved this aspect?
I can't see my exterior lights from inside the car in daylight, a light on the dashboard is certainly not going to annoy me. I don't see the problem.
+1 on the lights.
What does annoy me are the "automatic" wipers that need as much adjusting as standard manual wipers this is the 3rd car I’ve had (2 Hondas and a Ford ) with them and they’re all the same, I don’t see why they bother fitting them at all
Most automatic gimmicks seem to cause more problems than they are supposed to solve. The more 'automatic' things vehicles get the more drivers attention is either distracted by them not working properly or lulled into a false sense of security and their attention wanders anyway. If you don't know when wipers need to be turned on or lights are required it is questionable if you should be in control of a car. It is 'nanny state' thinking of the worst kind that motor manufacturers / governments seem to think these things are required. As usual the behaviour of a fraction of a % of the population is seized upon by the nanny brigade and causes legislation to be enacted and costs to rise, where larger problems affecting far more people are ignored.
If semi-automatic functions that can (and often need to ) be overridden cannot be made to work, I don't hold out much hope for level 4 and 5 autonomy for a long, long time - if ever.
Post by: ColinS on July 15, 2018, 01:43:05 PM
The other aspect of the auto headlights which has annoyed me is the long period (several minutes) that the lights stay on after being triggered by a few consecutive wipes of the windscreen even in bright sunlight. Has the facelift improved this aspect?
I can't see my exterior lights from inside the car in daylight, a light on the dashboard is certainly not going to annoy me. I don't see the problem.
It doesn't bother me that lights are on when I don't need them but what does bother me is that drivers rely on this functionality and don't therefore switch them on in the fog, although I must admit foggy conditions are somewhat rare around here these days.
Post by: Skyrider on July 15, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
The other aspect of the auto headlights which has annoyed me is the long period (several minutes) that the lights stay on after being triggered by a few consecutive wipes of the windscreen even in bright sunlight. Has the facelift improved this aspect?
I can't see my exterior lights from inside the car in daylight, a light on the dashboard is certainly not going to annoy me. I don't see the problem.
It doesn't bother me that lights are on when I don't need them but what does bother me is that drivers rely on this functionality and don't therefore switch them on in the fog, although I must admit foggy conditions are somewhat rare around here these days.
It is also a shame that the rear lights are not linked to the DRLs and the DRLs dim to become side (parking) lights should anyone be daft enough to drive without headlights if lights are required.
Post by: andruec on July 15, 2018, 07:44:51 PM
Yup. The Mk2s were fine, I found one position that was suitable 99% of the time. Mk3..not so much. Like you I feel like I'm adjusting them more than if they were manual. The lights, though, I think are fine.The other aspect of the auto headlights which has annoyed me is the long period (several minutes) that the lights stay on after being triggered by a few consecutive wipes of the windscreen even in bright sunlight. Has the facelift improved this aspect?
I can't see my exterior lights from inside the car in daylight, a light on the dashboard is certainly not going to annoy me. I don't see the problem.
+1 on the lights.
What does annoy me are the "automatic" wipers that need as much adjusting as standard manual wipers this is the 3rd car I’ve had (2 Hondas and a Ford ) with them and they’re all the same, I don’t see why they bother fitting them at all
Post by: Skyrider on July 20, 2018, 04:45:35 PM