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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk2 2008-2015 => Topic started by: kevinivtec on August 20, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
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hi all
just a quick point of interest had my jazz serviced and mot today at my local honda dealer car has done 37000 miles 2010 i shift I pay £19 month honda used car 3yr warranty that covers 1 yearly service, free mot, and 1yrs aa cover each year for the maximum 3 yrs today, they asked me if I wanted to upgrade the oil from synthetic to fully synthetic £22, they then offered a brake fluid change £60. both options declined, they then offered an upgrade for the FREE!!! courtesy car insurance for £12, declined and finally rang me to say that the front drop link was worn and would replace for MOT @ £130.0 the drop link it not covered under warranty (surprise) is this a bit pricy?? or am I just being a skinflint?? I do not have the means to do the drop link myself but if I take the care away and have it done elsewhere they tell me there is a re test fee i do a get free mot each year from them as long as i have the car serviced, as i see the service is basic no plugs, air or cabin filter is this all worth it???? whats the forums thoughts I would be interested thanks all
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Seems to me that there is an awful amount of "upselling" going on here. On the drop link, I tend to think the cheaper option will be to let the dealer do it and retain the MOT that you have already paid for with your service plan. I had one done on a Civic at an independent a few years ago now and I think they charged £110.
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With a service package, I would at least expected 3 years servicing to the correct schedule, not just an oil change.
As for droplinks not covered under warranty, what's that all about? What else isn't covered?
£130.00 for a droplink replacement sounds expensive to me, but I am a skinflint. I wouldn't fit genuine parts unless the price was comparable to a good quality aftermarket part, such as Delphi. It's not hard to understand where the rest of the bill comes from when main dealers charge £80-£100 per hour for labour.
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In my view a good warranty should cover all parts, that are not classed as normal 'wear & tear'
Tyres, Brake pads and discs, Batteries, Oils, Filters and the like, are just a normal part of motoring, all other parts should be covered.
I'm not familiar with the drop link design, but again in my view any drop link should do substantially more than 37k miles. Nowadays an average annual mileage must be in the order of 10k per year, or 30k for a 3 year warranty.
Certainly it is for me and I would certainly go to bat on that one!
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I'm not familiar with the drop link design, but again in my view any drop link should do substantially more than 37k miles.
They're certainly nothing special, just a standard longish metal rod drop link design. £19 for a Delphi part, £9 for a cheap nasty one. 5 minutes to replace once it's up on the ramp.
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Hi, know post is on service costs within packages at Honda dealers...but have you considered using local independent garage (last full service-including fluids etc- & MOT cost just over £200.00)? Just a thought.
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My local dealer tries to get me to change the rear shocks as they said they were leaking and get me to do buy a service plan. I told them I will be changing my car soon and would get back to them. Took car out to local independent and said no leak at all! Luckily my MOT wasn't due.
May I suggest you inspect the drop links before having them replaced.
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123 makes an excellent point above.
Is the drop link knocking? They soon let you know they need replacing, if you're not deaf, and will knock before any play is detectable in the joints. Rubbers rarely fail. It's a nice easy job to extract a extra bit of money.
I've seen the shocker trick before too, they sometimes see a bit of condensation on the shocker shaft and pass it off as oil misting.
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As said above. You will normally hear a knocking before it needs replacing.
I'd personally take the car and get it done somewhere else providing it's not failed it's MOT on that.
Sounds like there just trying to extract more money from you. There hour rate is prob £100 /hr and a decent mechanic is almost half that.
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There hour rate is prob £100 /hr and a decent mechanic is almost half that.
My MOT man charges £35/hour to trade (and me when I pass work his way), £40/hour to the general public, and he knows his onions.
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There hour rate is prob £100 /hr and a decent mechanic is almost half that.
My MOT man charges £35/hour to trade (and me when I pass work his way), £40/hour to the general public, and he knows his onions.
Scandalous, mind you, that cup of coffee the dealer offers you puts the price up, when I go to get my MOTs from an independent I have to buy my own coffee ....
https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/parts-and-accessories/2017-04/garage-labour-rates-vary-by-gbp160-per-hour-according-to-new-report/
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We have a load of Polish mechanics in independent garages around here, and they are brilliant. Garages are immaculate and prices are excellent.
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thanks joko
I had a survey from honda regarding the service I received I told them fairly what I thought £130 for a drop link on a car under warranty only 30 thou on the clock , I then rang my local honda dealer and spoke to the main manager for the group he would not comment on anything as i have contacted honda directly in writing myself to complain I asked where it says in the warranty that its not covered, he said it says quite clearly it is as they consider it to be a wear and tear item, he said what do you expect from a car that is 9 years old??? i said it has only done 30 thou miles I would expect better , i said i was thinking of buying a new jazz next year would he be willing to say goodbye to me spending 17 thousand or be fair or refund me £130 because you say its wear and tear , or as i said the insurance wriggle out clause "an act of god" he would not make a comment as soon as the car is out of warranty I will service it myself as I well capable, i have next year a honda 12 plus service the only extra they do it change the cabin and air filter, they would have been in there for 3 yrs if i did not do it myself, they quoted £60 for a brake fluid change even my local independent garage quoted me £29.0 honda are shooting themselves in the foot, again thanks for you great input ito this site it is much appreciated thank you
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he said what do you expect from a car that is 9 years old???
The cheeky bugger! I bet he didn't say that when he sold you the warranty package.
I would expect a warranty that fixes the car when it goes wrong. Wear and tear items are tyres and friction materials, brake rotors and batteries - even exhausts are covered on some manufacturer's warranties.
If he had said that before the work was done, I would have been tempted to get it tested elsewhere. Was the droplink knocking?
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Personally I think expecting any car maker to repair a droplink on a 9 year old car is stretching it, they have no control over how the car is used and it may be regularly used in an area where the roads are littered with speed bumps or potholes ( in which case contact local council for repair costs ), the driver may be in the habit of bouncing up and down kerbs.
I am actually surprised cars last as long as they do these days, it is a testament to the great engineering applied to design and build. What other piece of complicated equipment could you hand over to a massively diverse group of people ( some with great mechanical sympathy and knowledge and some who treat their very badly and if it was not for the yearly MOT the car would be completely unroadworthy and dangerous in less than the 9 years yours has lasted so far ).
There has to be some kind of statute of limitations on what is fair wear and tear, and I reckon 9 years is really pushing it - but don't cut your nose off to spite your face because the Jazz is still a very reliable and trouble-free vehicle compared with many others.....
As far as service costs are concerned use a local independent and build up a relationship, or do it yourself which is what I do for majority of things - but to be honest with two Hondas in the family not much really needs doing except normal service jobs like oil and filter changes.
Celebrate the quality of Honda, you could be a lot worse off.....
Never take your car to a main stealer for MOT, they have a vested interest in finding something wrong, we have a local MOT place that only does MOT and they have no vested interest to create jobs as long as they get their MOT fee.
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Personally I think expecting any car maker to repair a droplink on a 9 year old car is stretching it, they have no control over how the car is used and it may be regularly used in an area where the roads are littered with speed bumps or potholes
So why pay for a warranty package, which is in effect an insurance policy against mechanical failure? What other parts wouldn't be covered because they are 9 years old?
We are not talking about a manufacturer's warranty here.
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Personally I think expecting any car maker to repair a droplink on a 9 year old car is stretching it, they have no control over how the car is used and it may be regularly used in an area where the roads are littered with speed bumps or potholes
So why pay for a warranty package, which is in effect an insurance policy against mechanical failure? What other parts wouldn't be covered because they are 9 years old?
We are not talking about a manufacturer's warranty here.
I have never taken an extra warranty on anything I have owned, but then again I look on extended warranties as a waste of money given the high quality of pretty much everything you can buy these days, I can remember when some engines would need a re-bore at 40,000 not go on to do 200,000 without a problem.
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Personally I think expecting any car maker to repair a droplink on a 9 year old car is stretching it, they have no control over how the car is used and it may be regularly used in an area where the roads are littered with speed bumps or potholes
So why pay for a warranty package, which is in effect an insurance policy against mechanical failure? What other parts wouldn't be covered because they are 9 years old?
We are not talking about a manufacturer's warranty here.
That is a most valid point.
The last extended warranty I had was 10 years ago on a CR-V. Saved me £2.5k on a seized up central diff. Repair costs are so high now on modern cars, in my opinion extended warranties are a good insurance, as long as you read the small print.
As far as the OP is concerned, I think it is disgraceful that they are trying to get out of repairing this under warranty.
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https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/new-and-used-cars/article/should-you-buy-a-used-car-warranty
Most advice sites will tell you getting a warranty package is a waste of money, they are a nice earner for the people who sell them though. The exclusions normally cover anything that is likely to go wrong anyway ( these warranties are sold by hard headed companies not charities ).
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Looking at the documents for the Honda 'warranty' that came with ours, it think the relevant bit is the first exclusion,
"a) Replacement of parts that have reached the end of their effective working life because of age and/or usage are not covered."
...which of course is a bit of a catch all. If a part fails, it can always be argued that it must have reached the end of it's effective working life.
The only specific exclusions I can see are
"b) Items which can be expected to wear as part of their normal function* (such as, but not limited to, brake friction surfaces, wiper blades, tyres, bulbs, fuses, headlight adjustment, auxiliary drive belts, wheel alignment or tracking when not required as part of an authorised repair)."
* doesn't that cover most of the car?
and...
"g) Batteries, LEDs, exhaust systems and airbags."
Airbags not covered? What's that all about?
I'm not sure if the OP has the same warranty wording, as this came with a used one, but I'm guessing it will be something similar.
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I have never taken an extra warranty on anything I have owned, but then again I look on extended warranties as a waste of money given the high quality of pretty much everything you can buy these days, I can remember when some engines would need a re-bore at 40,000 not go on to do 200,000 without a problem.
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/new-and-used-cars/article/should-you-buy-a-used-car-warranty
Most advice sites will tell you getting a warranty package is a waste of money, they are a nice earner for the people who sell them though. The exclusions normally cover anything that is likely to go wrong anyway ( these warranties are sold by hard headed companies not charities ).
I absolutely agree, but the flannel the dealers give you before they get their hands on your money has to be heard to be believed. When we bought this one, there was an advisory on the MOT for corrosion on the exhaust, when I told the other half to question it, they just told her that it would be covered on the warranty if it was a problem. Which it quite patently is not.
As it happens, it turned out to be the tiniest trace of rust staining coming from the side seam... someone looking for work, me thinks. The car is pretty much spotless underneath.
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So why pay for a warranty package, which is in effect an insurance policy against mechanical failure? What other parts wouldn't be covered because they are 9 years old?
We are not talking about a manufacturer's warranty here.
It's the "mechanical failure" but which is crucial. The drop link won't have mechanically failed, it's worn out. It might not even be fully worn out, it might be just worn a bit, but main dealers like to pick up on everything that isn't factory fresh.
Really, having a 9yr old car serviced and maintained at a dealership is asking for trouble (appreciate the car in question has a service package though).
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So why pay for a warranty package, which is in effect an insurance policy against mechanical failure? What other parts wouldn't be covered because they are 9 years old?
We are not talking about a manufacturer's warranty here.
It's the "mechanical failure" but which is crucial. The drop link won't have mechanically failed, it's worn out. It might not even be fully worn out, it might be just worn a bit, but main dealers like to pick up on everything that isn't factory fresh.
Personally, I would call that a mechanical failure. It's not something like tyres, brake pads, or a clutch plate, which are genuinely consumable items.
If you accept that a droplink is a consumable item, you have to accept that the same must apply to every other part of the suspension, or indeed every bearing, bush, joint, etc., on the car. Where does it end?
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I have only bought an extended warranty once and that was on my 2005 1.9TDI Golf. There had been so many issues in the first year of ownership I was spooked but chopping the car in after only 12 months was not economically viable for me at the time.
The warranty I got was from Warranty Direct. It was cheaper than the extended warranty that VW offered. All I can say is that in the 2 years I had the warranty I paid out far less for the warranty than I would have done for the repairs including the ABS system, two snapped coil springs and a broken cruise control.
That's the only time I've taken out a warranty because, generally, I agree with Culzean on this issue. I haven't bought anything German so I haven't needed one!
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In 2001 I bought a 3 year old Audi A4 TDI and had an Audi warranty for 12 months.. In that time it had:
new front suspension top balljoints
new catalyst
new air conditioning condenser.
The dealer costs were around £2k+
In the next 12 months I apid for:
new battery
new cambelt and tensioner,,(new 12 monthss before when I bought the car)
I sold it as a money pit.
So if you are buying a secondhand German made car, a dealer warrnty is worthwhile as they are so unreliable.
I did not bother with Toyota and Honda later cars as they are too reliable .(for a warranty costing me £££s to make sense)
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In 2001 I bought a 3 year old Audi A4 TDI and had an Audi warranty for 12 months.. In that time it had:
new front suspension top balljoints
new catalyst
new air conditioning condenser.
The dealer costs were around £2k+
In the next 12 months I apid for:
new battery
new cambelt and tensioner,,(new 12 monthss before when I bought the car)
I sold it as a money pit.
So if you are buying a secondhand German made car, a dealer warrnty is worthwhile as they are so unreliable.
I did not bother with Toyota and Honda later cars as they are too reliable .(for a warranty costing me £££s to make sense)
Sadly this is a scenario I have seen in our family with even pretty new German cars, they have tried them, been disappointed and gone back to Japanese... IMHO German car makers have lost the plot and are living on their past reputation.
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IMHO German car makers have lost the plot and are living on their past reputation.
Sadly people are still buying them based on their past reputation.
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When I had my Golf I cam across a very knowledgeable guy on the internet - Stuart Dalby. He outlines in incredible detail every single event with his cars - every fuel up - every oil change - every new wiper blade - you get the picture. He changed his Golf for another one a few years ago and it's fair to say he is a VW fan. This newer car has had a catalogue of issues.
I was also a member of a VW/Audi forum and I got some quite unpleasant feedback from members as I catalogued my woes. "Oh no - here we go again - more whingeing." and, remarkably, "why don't you piss off and buy a Japanese tin can."
I wonder if drivers of German cars think that the level of unreliability is somehow normal?
I've had more than one German car and the sense I get is that they have indeed lost the plot. They weren't always this bad.
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So why pay for a warranty package, which is in effect an insurance policy against mechanical failure? What other parts wouldn't be covered because they are 9 years old?
We are not talking about a manufacturer's warranty here.
It's the "mechanical failure" but which is crucial. The drop link won't have mechanically failed, it's worn out. It might not even be fully worn out, it might be just worn a bit, but main dealers like to pick up on everything that isn't factory fresh.
Personally, I would call that a mechanical failure. It's not something like tyres, brake pads, or a clutch plate, which are genuinely consumable items.
If you accept that a droplink is a consumable item, you have to accept that the same must apply to every other part of the suspension, or indeed every bearing, bush, joint, etc., on the car. Where does it end?
Droplink is such a routine item, Honda even list it here: https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/repairs.html
Of course bearings, bushes and joints are wear and tear items! Springs seem to be going that way too.
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That link says £50 to change the pollen filter!?!?! Or have I misread it?
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£20 bought me a genuine Honda pollen filter and 5 minutes fitted it.
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That link says £50 to change the pollen filter!?!?! Or have I misread it?
I notice they've dropped the "Honda Happiness" moniker - I certainly wasn't happy when daughter was charged £299 for rear pads and discs on her Jazz. Only one pad had worn and that's because they don't clean them anymore at service.
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Droplink is such a routine item, Honda even list it here: https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/repairs.html
A droplink should last as long as any other suspension component, if it is engineered sufficiently well. I had cars that have never had a droplink replaced, I've had cars which eat them. That doesn't mean they are meant to fail on a regular basis.
Of course bearings, bushes and joints are wear and tear items! Springs seem to be going that way too.
Would you consider a wheel bearing a consumable item that would not be covered by warranty? Or a driveshaft? What about engine bearings? Gearbox bearings?
I'm not really sure about the term "wear and tear". Every moving part on a car is subject to wear and tear as you use it. Things like wheel bearings, balljoints and other components will all suffer from wear and tear, but are not what I would consider consumable items - they should ideally last a reasonable lifetime of the car, say 100-120K miles. After that, you have to expect ongoing failures, and only specialist warranties are generally available for vehicles at such mileages.
Other examples I would submit are starter motors and alternators. I think most people would expect them to be replaced under a used car warranty, but the majority of failures of these components can be attributed to worn out brushes - an intentionally wearing part, just the same as friction material on a clutch or brake.
I also recently replaced the brushes on the ABS pump motor on the Jazz, because they were worn out - another wear and tear part, but I would think most would expect an ABS modulator to be covered by a warranty.
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https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/repairs.html
I see they list
Spark plugs Iridium £185 (set of four)
Spark plugs Iridium £330 (set of eight)
Spark plugs steel £92 (set of four)
Spark plugs steel £142 (set of eight)
What exactly are "Spark plugs steel"?
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What spark plugs used to be before Iridium came along. The kind I use.
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What spark plugs used to be before Iridium came along. The kind I use.
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Surely they're all made of steel?
They are only iridium tipped, the old ones are copper cored.
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Should be steel body and earth ( ground) electrode with copper / nickel alloy centre core, the iridium ones normally have iridium tip on centre electrode and sometimes the more expensive ones have a platinum pad on ground electrode - the proper ones for MK2 ( DIFR6D13 ) are double iridium with reduced diameter iridium tip on ground and centre electrode and are eye-wateringly expensive ( although not too bad from Opie oils at £80 for 4 ) , I replaced them on our Jazz with iridium and platinum type ( IZFR6K13 ) for a much better price.... ( around £50 FOR 4 ) about 18 months ago and absolutely no problems, both same spark position and heat range.
Some dodgy ripped off spark plugs off fleabay etc. have shonky mild steel core that can melt - if it is too cheap it probably is a fake.
Attached photo PDF of difference between two plugs mentioned above - have some more info will post when I find it
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A droplink should last as long as any other suspension component, if it is engineered sufficiently well. I had cars that have never had a droplink replaced, I've had cars which eat them. That doesn't mean they are meant to fail on a regular basis.
I've never had one replaced, but obviously Honda consider it routine to the extent that they include it in the same list as brake pads. I can't say I've seen any great discussion about them, but wheel bearings (also listed) crop up all the time.
Would you consider a wheel bearing a consumable item that would not be covered by warranty? Or a driveshaft? What about engine bearings? Gearbox bearings?
The context of the discussion was suspension parts, so I was talking about those.
I'm not really sure about the term "wear and tear". Every moving part on a car is subject to wear and tear as you use it. Things like wheel bearings, balljoints and other components will all suffer from wear and tear, but are not what I would consider consumable items - they should ideally last a reasonable lifetime of the car, say 100-120K miles. After that, you have to expect ongoing failures, and only specialist warranties are generally available for vehicles at such mileages.
Other examples I would submit are starter motors and alternators. I think most people would expect them to be replaced under a used car warranty, but the majority of failures of these components can be attributed to worn out brushes - an intentionally wearing part, just the same as friction material on a clutch or brake.
I also recently replaced the brushes on the ABS pump motor on the Jazz, because they were worn out - another wear and tear part, but I would think most would expect an ABS modulator to be covered by a warranty.
You might expect them to be covered but reality could be different. It really depends how it fails - ideally it's got to 'catastrophic', ie sudden and complete. Like a raod spring breaking (but they might say it was caused by corrosion, which is generally excluded).
On my (now old) Merc I had WarrantyDirect cover and they're unusual in that they do cover wear and tear and I had bushes, balljoints and springs replaced without issue. (I don't recommend WD now, they've changed hands and horror stories seem to have got much worse). On wife's Tiguan, the lower arm (console) bushes were noted as starting to tear at 3yrs but not enough to replace yet. I said no problem, the car has extended VW warranty - much sucking through teeth and the service manager said they wouldn't be covered. Bit of huffing and puffing from me and they did them as 'goodwill'.
I think Honda's attitude has changed too. No issues having the rear pads and discs changed under warranty at 3yrs on our 2009 mk2 simply because they looked tatty. On our 2014 when one of the pads wore away and dealer didn't notice so it damaged the disc, I got absolutely nowhere with either the dealer or Honda UK.
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A droplink should last as long as any other suspension component, if it is engineered sufficiently well. I had cars that have never had a droplink replaced, I've had cars which eat them. That doesn't mean they are meant to fail on a regular basis.
I've never had one replaced, but obviously Honda consider it routine to the extent that they include it in the same list as brake pads. I can't say I've seen any great discussion about them, but wheel bearings (also listed) crop up all the time.
Rear wheel bearings do crop up on a regular basis, but I would still maintain that these should last the life of the car, and not be regarded as wear and tear parts. A wheel bearing failing at 50K, or less in some cases, is a premature failure IMHO.
What I would regard as a 'wear and tear' part is something that you would expect to replace several times or more during the life of the car, as a normal expense of car ownership. I wouldn't expect that to include a mechanical part consisting of two balljoints, or indeed a ball bearing, regardless of the fact that Honda include it in a 'fixed price repairs' price list with oil changes and the like.
Would you consider a wheel bearing a consumable item that would not be covered by warranty? Or a driveshaft? What about engine bearings? Gearbox bearings?
The context of the discussion was suspension parts, so I was talking about those.
I think we were at crossed purposes then, the bit you quoted of my reply was talking about all bearings on the car.
If you accept that a droplink is a consumable item, you have to accept that the same must apply to every other part of the suspension, or indeed every bearing, bush, joint, etc., on the car. Where does it end?
Droplink is such a routine item, Honda even list it here: https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/repairs.html
Of course bearings, bushes and joints are wear and tear items! Springs seem to be going that way too.
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Rear wheel bearings do crop up on a regular basis, but I would still maintain that these should last the life of the car,
My Mk 1 has done 118,000 miles on the original wheel bearings and they are still fine.
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Rear wheel bearings do crop up on a regular basis, but I would still maintain that these should last the life of the car,
My Mk 1 has done 118,000 miles on the original wheel bearings and they are still fine.
I replaced one rear on the mk.1, but that was at 150K-odd miles. Other side seems fine so far at 170K, and still has the yellow paint mark from the factory.
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When I had my Golf I cam across a very knowledgeable guy on the internet - Stuart Dalby. He outlines in incredible detail every single event with his cars - every fuel up - every oil change - every new wiper blade - you get the picture. He changed his Golf for another one a few years ago and it's fair to say he is a VW fan. This newer car has had a catalogue of issues.
I was also a member of a VW/Audi forum and I got some quite unpleasant feedback from members as I catalogued my woes. "Oh no - here we go again - more whingeing." and, remarkably, "why don't you piss off and buy a Japanese tin can."
I wonder if drivers of German cars think that the level of unreliability is somehow normal?
I've had more than one German car and the sense I get is that they have indeed lost the plot. They weren't always this bad.
Reminds me of some of the die hard members of the biking fraternity I encountered many moons ago who considered Jap bikes to be little more than glorified mopeds and leaking oil the hallmark of genuine pedigree.
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A droplink should last as long as any other suspension component, if it is engineered sufficiently well. I had cars that have never had a droplink replaced, I've had cars which eat them. That doesn't mean they are meant to fail on a regular basis.
I've never had one replaced, but obviously Honda consider it routine to the extent that they include it in the same list as brake pads. I can't say I've seen any great discussion about them, but wheel bearings (also listed) crop up all the time.
Rear wheel bearings do crop up on a regular basis, but I would still maintain that these should last the life of the car, and not be regarded as wear and tear parts. A wheel bearing failing at 50K, or less in some cases, is a premature failure IMHO.
What I would regard as a 'wear and tear' part is something that you would expect to replace several times or more during the life of the car, as a normal expense of car ownership. I wouldn't expect that to include a mechanical part consisting of two balljoints, or indeed a ball bearing, regardless of the fact that Honda include it in a 'fixed price repairs' price list with oil changes and the like.
Would you consider a wheel bearing a consumable item that would not be covered by warranty? Or a driveshaft? What about engine bearings? Gearbox bearings?
The context of the discussion was suspension parts, so I was talking about those.
I think we were at crossed purposes then, the bit you quoted of my reply was talking about all bearings on the car.
If you accept that a droplink is a consumable item, you have to accept that the same must apply to every other part of the suspension, or indeed every bearing, bush, joint, etc., on the car. Where does it end?
Droplink is such a routine item, Honda even list it here: https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/owners/repairs.html
Of course bearings, bushes and joints are wear and tear items! Springs seem to be going that way too.
It seems to me that 'wear and tear' should be qualified by what is reasonable, and by that, I mean engineered to the standard required and set by the manufacturer. A company like Honda or Toyota which are considered to be at the forefront in this area, must surely attract a lower warranty risk and therefore premium loading. That said, I sense there is now growing pressure from the bean counters to produce disposable vehicles. Given the quality benchmark set, I would consider a wheel bearing to have a decent life expectancy, subject to quality control. Given the tolerances of expected friction etc, allowing for weight and distance travelled, it must surely be possible to project a reasonable life expectancy. After all, they just go round, unlike moving parts such as suspension, which are subject to driving styles and conditions.
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Reminds me of some of the die hard members of the biking fraternity I encountered many moons ago who considered Jap bikes to be little more than glorified mopeds and leaking oil the hallmark of genuine pedigree.
I think British motorbikes used to be sponsored by the major oil companies as it almost seemd they were designed to leak and use more oil. If those die hard bikers are anything like my brother in law he fitted the loudest exhaust possible ( quoting the oft used phrase 'a loud bike is a safe bike') to his bike but pointedly refused to ride with his headlight on all the time, me I kept standard exhaust and fitted extra lights. For me 'a loud bike is a bl00dy annoying bike, but well lit bike is a safer bike'.....
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Reminds me of some of the die hard members of the biking fraternity I encountered many moons ago who considered Jap bikes to be little more than glorified mopeds and leaking oil the hallmark of genuine pedigree.
I think British motorbikes used to be sponsored by the major oil companies as it almost seemd they were designed to leak and use more oil. If those die hard bikers are anything like my brother in law he fitted the loudest exhaust possible ( quoting the oft used phrase 'a loud bike is a safe bike') to his bike but pointedly refused to ride with his headlight on all the time, me I kept standard exhaust and fitted extra lights. For me 'a loud bike is a bl00dy annoying bike, but well lit bike is a safer bike'.....
Yep. Lights on all the the time. People just do not see motor/cyclists. They seem to see straight through them.
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There are only 2 bolts to a droplink so I decided to do mine myself. Worst job I ever did on a car. the bolts just spin, the allan key strips out. It took an angle grinder, a cold chisel, a lump hammer a vibrating cutting tool and several hours sweat. And I still have the other side to do.
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Most car manufacturers have factored in a 7 year life for all their vehicles these days.
Dealerships are always looking for added profits at MOT & service times.
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There are only 2 bolts to a droplink so I decided to do mine myself. Worst job I ever did on a car. the bolts just spin, the allan key strips out. It took an angle grinder, a cold chisel, a lump hammer a vibrating cutting tool and several hours sweat. And I still have the other side to do.
Forget the allen key hole, waste of time. Get yourself a small pair of stillsons, force them between the droplink and the anti-roll bar (over the rubber boot) to stop the ball end rotating, and undo the nut with a ½" ratchet and hex socket. Never fails for me, shouldn't take more than a few minutes.
If you have mole grips but no stillsons, try those, but you can't beat the stillsons. If it's really stubborn, some heat on the nut.
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Reminds me of some of the die hard members of the biking fraternity I encountered many moons ago who considered Jap bikes to be little more than glorified mopeds and leaking oil the hallmark of genuine pedigree.
I think British motorbikes used to be sponsored by the major oil companies as it almost seemd they were designed to leak and use more oil. If those die hard bikers are anything like my brother in law he fitted the loudest exhaust possible ( quoting the oft used phrase 'a loud bike is a safe bike') to his bike but pointedly refused to ride with his headlight on all the time, me I kept standard exhaust and fitted extra lights. For me 'a loud bike is a bl00dy annoying bike, but well lit bike is a safer bike'.....
Yep. Lights on all the the time. People just do not see motor/cyclists. They seem to see straight through them.
Round here, most motorcyclists like to wear leathers..BLACK leathers.. Designed not to be seen in shade, or in the dark.
If motorcycle riders wnated to be seem, they would always have headlights on and wear fluorescent vest.
Few do.
And many drive like hooligans.
Until I see bikers visibly trying to be safe, I tend to think of some of them as suicidal..
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Just had my 09 i-shift 120 mths/125k miles serviced by my local independent...£190. rear wiper, replaced n/s front window switch (parts provided by myself via eBay), and funny enough, f/s Droplink.
Lucky to have a very good value independent. Parts not genuine Honda but good quality parts.