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Honda Jazz Forums => Honda Jazz Mk3 2015 - 2020 => Topic started by: guest1372 on December 19, 2015, 10:16:56 PM
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While I'm very pleased to see DAB and phone integration, plus a couple of options for charging devices, I'm not entirely convinced by the lack of buttons on the UK Jazz.
A quick image search has brought up a few alternative units in other markets, plus an after-market unit that is basically a clone with an added rotary control.
I think there may be a demand among the grey haired segment of the market for a top specification but something other than touch controls. Fingertip stuff on the steering wheel is great, but there are many occasions where the passenger is interacting with the auxiliary systems.
I've saved a few different versions of this central unit, and I feel the more traditional versions may be preferred by many.
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I don't have the climate control so I have the benefit of real knobs and buttons for my heating / cooling system. However, it's necessary to take one's eyes off the road to operate it. The corresponding controls on the Mk 2 are a bit higher and nearer the driver. Perhaps they should have used some space on the big screen to show what the current settings are.
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I think there may be a demand among the grey haired segment of the market for a top specification but something other than touch controls.
I don't think this is anything to do with the age of the user. Blunt fact is that in order to operate a touch-screen, you have to look at it, which - in a car - is poor ergonomics full stop. All users irrespective of age would benefit from the tactile feedback that a physical button or knob gives, car designers need to find the optimum balance between providing that whilst not making the cockpit too cluttered. Honda have gone for the "simple, uncluttered" look and usability has suffered as a consequence.
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I don't think this is anything to do with the age of the user. Blunt fact is that in order to operate a touch-screen, you have to look at it, which - in a car - is poor ergonomics full stop.
I agree entirely - there are far too many things in modern cars that you have to look at to operate and any time when the car is moving and drivers eyes are not looking at the road is a bad time. With a knob or switch you can just reach out and operate it without really looking but to be able to touch the proper area on a touchscreen you have to be accurate and watch for the result, which will most likely be another screen that needs an accurate touch - not good ergonomics or safety.
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Completely agree with the two posts above. When innovations are made it needs to be clear that they offer a tangible improvement on what went before. The smart phone over the basic mobile for example. Not sure we are getting that here and the issue of distracting the driver whilst he works out what to do is a serious safety concern as well.
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Agree. I have this system on my HR-V too. The heating controls are not too bad but the Sat Nav / Audio panel is way too complicated. I tend to stick with the steering wheel controls when in motion but you still need to look at the display to see what is happening.
Also, this amount of glass and piano black finishing means I need to keep a micro fibre cloth in the car to keep the dust under control!
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A few more:
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Car manufacturers will be trying to put more and more core functionality into the touchsceen unit. It can provide a direct interface to the ECU which then controls everything and saves on the cost of providing buttons and knobs. We might even have to hope that the regulators intervene to fend off the trend. As already mentioned, these units require a lot of attention from the driver particularly because one has to keep watching to see if the device has taken notice of the latest finger jab. The Honda unit seems to be quite poor in this respect - I've lost count of the number of times I've had to poke at that annoying OK button for the safety warning. In fact, that warning is a safety hazard in its own right.
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I agree, its not particularly user friendly. A menu system is fine for a tablet or smartphone but not when driving.
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Perhaps the touch screen would be more user friendly if there were small raised 'pieces' that would give the operator the feel, but still have the same sleek look!!!
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Now with colder weather, I am dabbing away with a gloved finger, no good!
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Now with colder weather, I am dabbing away with a gloved finger, no good!
You can buy special gloves that claim to be suitable for touchscreens. However, my touchscreen is not very responsive to an ungloved finger, never mind a gloved one. The OK button to get it started is particularly bad and constitutes a safety hazard because trying to get it to register is a distraction.
Perhaps it's time we started bombarding the head of Honda UK with a few letters about this? They might eventually take notice. Personally, I'm worried that the whole thing will die just after the warrant has expired. It's probably the least good bit of engineering in the vehicle.
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Now with colder weather, I am dabbing away with a gloved finger, no good!
never found the need to wear gloves inside a modern car, only my first one that had a heater consisting of a candle in a box (a proper early mini). Was always amused by the different styles of driving gloves available though
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I find it a bit distracting to see the album art on the screen when playing mp3's. I've managed to add the analog clock to the wallpaper but I can't figure out how to display the wallpaper when playing either mp3's or the radio.
Anybody don ethis yet?
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Hi all.
Yes, I am in general agreement that the info system is too techy for its own good.
A. How bad is it you have to take your eyes off the road to turn of 'traffic reports' that are out of your area. Where has the simple button on the steering wheel gone!
B. Why can't there be a menu 'below' the ordinary audio one so that you have to agree to that if you want to? No other car with just a cd/radio ask you to consent to a disclaimer!
and while I'm at it.......Why can't I be allowed to control the lights myself if I want to? I'm a big boy now!
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Well last week was sure glad of pair of decent sheepskin gloves as had to clear ice off outside windows then hopped into car only to find inside front windscreen was iced up also. My car suffers from being parking in a shaded northfacing driveway. There are always dribbles of water (outside the rubber seal) when any door and even boot is opened... how dry is the interior? Note to self to check weather forecast overnight in future and cover windscreen.
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While fiddling about with the touchscreen with the help (?) of the manual, I succeeded in changing the screen interface, using the "skin change" option under "system". However, now I can't find a way to reverse this change. Any suggestions?
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By "Screen Interface" do you mean wallpaper/background colour etc? There is an option to import your own wallpaper and use it but I assume that is not what you mean.
I may be stating the obvious here, but if you found a "Skin Change" option under system can't you use this option to change back to what it was?
This is obviously where Honda have buried the options so I don't suppose there will be the same option hidden elsewhere.
Other than that I'd guess that there would be a "Factory Reset" option somewhere which would revert to the original interface as delivered.
Of course, as with Android phones that would be a bit of a "Nuclear" option wiping whatever stuff you have on there already.
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Thanks Ricardo. Unfortunately, on the alternative screen interface (see p 266 of the manual) there doesn't seem to be a "system" option, so I haven't found a way of getting back to "skin change". Neither have I found a factory reset option yet. It all seems a bit like the dreaded Windows 8!
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Problem solved! Although the alternative home screen interface does not have side-swipe arrows, it can be side-swiped, and a settings button appears on another page. It would have been helpful if this had been explained on p 266.......
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I think you have pointed out how useless 'this is how it works book is'.
It's not at all logical, and 2/3s of it is not relevant.
They could have saved money by making it more car specific.
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...and putting it on a searchable CD, like my wife's Fiat 500!
But I guess the Infotainment system design suggests Honda don't know too much about software. ;D
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I think the 160 pages dealing with this software should be a separate book. Also, I suspect it is written by software designers. Such instructions should be written by a non-specialist from the point of view of a user.