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zesty_bum

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HID Lights
« on: October 22, 2024, 11:27:36 PM »
Hello!

I’m wondering if anyone has had HID lights fitted in their Honda Jazz? If so could you share your experience/knowledge of the following?

- was it a good decision? Does it make a difference?
- does it play nice with the Jazz light configuration e.g. does the auto headlight settings still work?
- what brand and color temperature did you opt for?
- where is a good place to mount the ballasts/controller?
- I don’t have the warranty small print with me right now - does it invalidate the warranty?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2024, 04:39:53 AM »
HID lights need a special type of reflector and as you've posted, an automatic leveller

The MOT can fail replacement HID of not original factory equipment

And finally, they need headlamp washers

You're probably better investigating LED as a replacement

I've had both HID and LED and they are very similar in emitting a bright white light compared to halogen
Let's be careful out there !

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2024, 07:48:55 AM »
Fortunately my GK has factory LED headlights but having had HID in other cars, I find LED much better.

If you change to either LED or HID in a headlamp unit not originally designed for them then it’s an automatic MOT failure.

If you still want to go down this route, I can highly recommend

https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/


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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2024, 10:02:17 AM »
Fortunately my GK has factory LED headlights but having had HID in other cars, I find LED much better.

If you change to either LED or HID in a headlamp unit not originally designed for them then it’s an automatic MOT failure.

If you still want to go down this route, I can highly recommend

https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/


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In some countries you can legally switch from halogen to LED bulbs using some Osram products: I have an set of Osram H4 LED Night Breaker in my GK Jazz and it's legal in Italy, Germany, France and other EU countries: they work very very well.
Check in this website if you can use it in UK.
https://www.osram.com/am/night-breaker-led-compatibility-list-cyprus-ireland-malta.jsp

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2024, 10:06:17 AM »
Fortunately my GK has factory LED headlights but having had HID in other cars, I find LED much better.

If you change to either LED or HID in a headlamp unit not originally designed for them then it’s an automatic MOT failure.

If you still want to go down this route, I can highly recommend

https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/


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In some countries you can legally switch from halogen to LED bulbs using some Osram products: I have an set of Osram H4 LED Night Breaker in my GK Jazz and it's legal in Italy, Germany, France and other EU countries: they work very very well.
Check in this website if you can use it in UK.
https://www.osram.com/am/night-breaker-led-compatibility-list-cyprus-ireland-malta.jsp
Definitely not allowed in the UK, you would never get pulled for it but will not (should not) pass an MOT with them fitted.


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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2024, 10:25:48 AM »
In some countries you can legally switch from halogen to LED bulbs using some Osram products: I have an set of Osram H4 LED Night Breaker in my GK Jazz and it's legal in Italy, Germany, France and other EU countries: they work very very well.
Check in this website if you can use it in UK.
https://www.osram.com/am/night-breaker-led-compatibility-list-cyprus-ireland-malta.jsp
Definitely not allowed in the UK, you would never get pulled for it but will not (should not) pass an MOT with them fitted.


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Ok.
I suggest to check monthly this list, it gets regurarly updates, some vehicles are approved in Ireland (Ford Focus, BMW 3er, ..)  so it's possible to run even in RHD,  I hope UK will join EU rules.

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2024, 10:48:19 AM »
In some countries you can legally switch from halogen to LED bulbs using some Osram products: I have an set of Osram H4 LED Night Breaker in my GK Jazz and it's legal in Italy, Germany, France and other EU countries: they work very very well.
Check in this website if you can use it in UK.
https://www.osram.com/am/night-breaker-led-compatibility-list-cyprus-ireland-malta.jsp
Definitely not allowed in the UK, you would never get pulled for it but will not (should not) pass an MOT with them fitted.


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Ok.
I suggest to check monthly this list, it gets regurarly updates, some vehicles are approved in Ireland (Ford Focus, BMW 3er, ..)  so it's possible to run even in RHD,  I hope UK will join EU rules.
It’s not down to the list, it’s a government department (DVSA) that makes our rules and below is the relevant section from the MOT tester’s manual.

“Existing halogen headlamp units on vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp for light source and lamp not compatible.”


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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2024, 11:25:11 AM »
It’s not down to the list, it’s a government department (DVSA) that makes our rules and below is the relevant section from the MOT tester’s manual.

“Existing halogen headlamp units on vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1986 must not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp for light source and lamp not compatible.”


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It's the same in ECE rules, a general conversion from halogen to aftermarket HID or LED is not allowed. Osram demonstrated (demonstrates) that their specific led bulbs in specific headlights comply with ECE rules so they can be fitted in that headlights: I bought these bulbs and I had to fill a form in a Osram webpage, writing the s/n of my headlight and the s/n of the bulb, then the webpage returned a pdf with the approval certificate. Since ECE rules are the same in Germany, Italy, Poland, France and so on, this certificate is valid in every EU country with LHD. Even in Italy a converted car would not pass the MOT, mine passed it when I showed the certificate.
Ireland, Cyprus and Malta follow ECE rules  but for RHD,  so the compliance must be re-checked and Osram is slowly doing it, the RHD list is much shorter than the LHD list. I know that UK left Europe but tecnically you still follow the same ECE rules about headlights (glaring, light amount on the ground and so on) and you will go on doing it so the fact UK Mot is differing from Ireland MOT is only matter of burocracy.
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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2024, 02:15:14 PM »
Fortunately my GK has factory LED headlights but having had HID in other cars, I find LED much better.

If you change to either LED or HID in a headlamp unit not originally designed for them then it’s an automatic MOT failure.

If you still want to go down this route, I can highly recommend

https://www.classiccarleds.co.uk/


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Ah ok I wasn’t aware of this - if this is the case then I won’t go down this road. Are there any good compliant halogen options that you know of? I’m just after a brighter set of bulbs (not a fan of the yellow tinge from existing halogen bulbs)

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2024, 12:01:46 PM »
Bump  :)

Can anyone recommend any good (road legal) light bulbs? Wanted to go as bright as legally possible

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2024, 04:00:29 PM »
Bump  :)

Can anyone recommend any good (road legal) light bulbs? Wanted to go as bright as legally possible
Philips X-tremeVision Pro150 H4
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Osram NIGHT BREAKER LASER.

Both a good balance between light and lifespan. Before the Osram Led set, I used a couple of Philips Xtreme vision pro150, brighter than the OEM Osrams.
When you read "+150% or +200% light" it means that the bulb is 150% or 200% brighter than the minimum legal ECE standard.
Usually, brightness is inversely proportional to lifespan, since it's achieved thanks a hotter tungsten filament.

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2024, 10:43:42 PM »
I used a couple of Philips Xtreme vision pro150, brighter than the OEM Osrams.

Thanks for sharing. From your experience how long did the bulbs last?

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2024, 09:36:56 PM »
I used a couple of Philips Xtreme vision pro150, brighter than the OEM Osrams.

Thanks for sharing. From your experience how long did the bulbs last?
Each set lasted more than one year, but I live in Italy, with more hours of light than northern countries.

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2024, 02:18:29 PM »
Each set lasted more than one year, but I live in Italy, with more hours of light than northern countries.

Grazie! I need them to last more than a year… I will have to stick to the standard yellowy lights  :'(

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Re: HID Lights
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2024, 12:31:37 AM »
I had Philips Xtreme H4 lamps in a Yaris which I commuted in up to 70mls per day all year round, so a lot in the dark. At least 10k miles/year.
They lasted about 3years if I remember correctly. Quite acceptable life IMO.

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